Wonkers and Israel

[Walker]

However, I'm sure that Walker can come up with a beautiful and deeply spiritual quote from Nisargadatta that has led him (Walker) to believe that it was perfectly okay for a western-backed Jewish army to violently expel the Palestinians from their homes and lands and imprison them in a concentration camp.
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No need for Nissy.

Hamas should have watched out for the folks they were elected to govern. They should not have done what they did, without provocation, because there is no justification for what they did. None.

They were living under a two-state solution and they blew it. They screwed the pooch.

Hamas has vowed the extermination of Jews. Sorry Hamas. No can do for your insane death cult. No can do, and Hamas says they're going to repeat, and repeat, and repeat, until all the Jews are dead.

How rare it is to encounter an honest posting that doesn't interject crap comments such as "perfectly okay," not to mention an assertion that Israel's intent is to imprison the population rather than to survive the insane death cults who have vowed to kill all the Jews.

Sorry seeds, you're not a rare one who prefers honesty but rather typical of apologists for what Hamas did.

Let's see. Let's further simplify. Hamas says, kill all Jews. Israel says, no.

That's about it. The rest of what's happening is based on that and the Hamas tactic of hiding behind the population they should be protecting.

[Gary Childress]

They were living under a two-state solution and they blew it. They screwed the pooch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjMbe24Vu0

[Age]

Those Rabbis (there are many with YouTube channels) seem to me captured by their mythologies.

Of course they are captured by mythology.

Can there exist any hardcore proponents of any specific religion who aren't captured by the religion's mythologies?

YES. WHEN the specific 'religion' does NOT have ANY 'myths'. Like, for example, the ONLY True AND Right 'religion'.

The fact that so many divisive and incompatible mythologies exist (and that includes materialism) is precisely why we are in this fine mess.

I would ALSO WONDER if 'these people', back then, REALLY did KNOW what A 'mythology' IS, EXACTLY.

But right now all Israel is captured in dozens of layers of consequence. How this resolves itself is anyone’s guess.

Well, apparently, it's going to resolve itself in the self-fulfilling Armageddon prophecy that seems to have been pre-scripted in the Bible, which includes verses like this...

"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." -- Matthew 24:22

The question is, is it self-fulfilling because that's the way God wants it to go?...

...Or...

...Is it self-fulfilling because humans are simply acting-out what ancient minds have scripted?

Perhaps it's a little of both, in that the fulfillment of certain prophecies is one way for God to demonstrate to humans that there is something larger in control of reality without fully revealing what that "something" truly is.

For example, I personally think that this particular prophecy from the book of Revelation, 9:1...

"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."

...was fulfilled when the "key" to matter -- E=MC^2 -- was "given" to Einstein, which then helped usher-in quantum mechanics, which, in turn, has not only radically changed the world, but has also helped to reveal the illusory ("mind-like") nature of the universe.

(See my full exposition of that idea (i.e., a full interpretation of Revelation, chapter 9) in this post here: viewtopic.php?p=335026#p335026)

Anyway, no matter what, as I have suggested many times before, all religions are nothing more than "pacifying teats" for us worldlings to suckle-on until the ultimate truth of reality is revealed to us at the moment of death.
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Talk ABOUT just providing ANOTHER GREAT example of ANOTHER 'myth' AND 'mythology' .

[Age]

IAM has an excellent point... the wars fought since 1900, have
been wars financed to make money for the weapons makers...

Hitler was financed by British bankers as was Lenin,
the idea is to put money into the hands
of the politicians, and they will happily begin a war for you...
given that the price is right.. and politicians are plentiful
and very cheap... supply and demand suggests that it
doesn't take much money to get politicians to start a war...
and the weapons makers? why they rake in the bucks...
from the Krupps of Germany to the modern day Haliburton's....
Israel makes a lot of weapons... thus the arms makers are motivated
to cause a war in Israel... they make money off of death...

want the real cause of this Israeli war and the conflict in the Ukraine...
money.. corporations got together and paid off enough politicians to
start both wars.... every single war for over 100 years has money
at is heart...... the modern day war.... a simple cash grab by
weapons makers...nothing more, nothing less....

Kropotkin

And, let 'us' NOT FORGET that ALL weapons would have a 'use by' date, and what better way of 'disposing of 'out of date' weapons' if not through starting or creating 'a/nother war'?

[Age]

However, I'm sure that Walker can come up with a beautiful and deeply spiritual quote from Nisargadatta that has led him (Walker) to believe that it was perfectly okay for a western-backed Jewish army to violently expel the Palestinians from their homes and lands and imprison them in a concentration camp.
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No need for Nissy.

Hamas should have watched out for the folks they were elected to govern. They should not have done what they did, without provocation, because there is no justification for what they did. None.

They were living under a two-state solution and they blew it. They screwed the pooch.

Hamas has vowed the extermination of Jews. Sorry Hamas. No can do for your insane death cult. No can do, and Hamas says they're going to repeat, and repeat, and repeat, until all the Jews are dead.

How rare it is to encounter an honest posting that doesn't interject crap comments such as "perfectly okay," not to mention an assertion that Israel's intent is to imprison the population rather than to survive the insane death cults who have vowed to kill all the Jews.

Sorry seeds, you're not a rare one who prefers honesty but rather typical of apologists for what Hamas did.

One does NOT have to be a so-called "apologist" to just ASK the QUESTION, 'How does one EXPECT an OPPRESSED group of human beings to react or behave?'

'you' have ALREADY ANSWERED 'this QUESTION' "walker" by SAYING and STATING, 'appropriately'. Well what is HAPPENING and OCCURRING here, in the days when this is being written, IS a group of OPPRESSED human beings reacting or behaving 'APPROPRIATELY', TO 'them'.

How would 'you' REACT or BEHAVE "walker", if 'your' 'group of people' had 'your' country ATTACKED, were having 'your' lands TAKEN and STOLEN FROM 'you', and/or were being OPPRESSED?

Would 'you' RETALIATE and FIGHT, or would 'you' just TAKE 'it'?

And, if the latter, then for HOW LONG, EXACTLY?

Let's see. Let's further simplify. Hamas says, kill all Jews. Israel says, no.

AND, "israelis" SAY, KILL ALL "palestinians". "palestinians" SAY, No, AS WELL.

Even MORE SIMPLIFIED.

That's about it. The rest of what's happening is based on that and the Hamas tactic of hiding behind the population they should be protecting.

AND, the "Israeli" TACTIC is hiding behind teenager aged soldier populations, which they should be protecting, ALSO.

[Janoah]

If we digress for a moment, Iran is expelling 5 million Afghan refugees, and Pakistan is expelling 1.7 million Muslim Afghans, co-religionists.
Maybe someone can explain why no one is concerned about the fate of those unfortunate people, including millions of children?
I dare to suggest that anti-Semites “worried” about Palestinian children, whom Hamas uses as human shields and does not allow these children to leave the places of hostilities, these anti-Semites are worried about children much like Hamas is concerned about these children, and what warms anti-Semites is not love for children, but the lust of malice, which is Judeophobia, in the words of Tolstoy.
https://www.rferl.org/amp/azadi-briefin ... 6150.html

There is a righteous man in Sodom, behold, the Arab explains,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV-ZzeUwcA

Has anyone heard of the UN condemning Hamas? Maybe the lust of malice prevails there too?

[Age]

If we digress for a moment, Iran is expelling 5 million Afghan refugees, and Pakistan is expelling 1.7 million Muslim Afghans, co-religionists.
Maybe someone can explain why no one is concerned about the fate of those unfortunate people, including millions of children?
I dare to suggest that anti-Semites “worried” about Palestinian children, whom Hamas uses as human shields and does not allow these children to leave the places of hostilities, these anti-Semites are worried about children much like Hamas is concerned about these children, and what warms anti-Semites is not love for children, but the lust of malice, which is Judeophobia, in the words of Tolstoy.
https://www.rferl.org/amp/azadi-briefin ... 6150.html

There is a righteous man in Sodom, behold, the Arab explains,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV-ZzeUwcA

Has anyone heard of the UN condemning Hamas? Maybe the lust of malice prevails there too?

What we can SEE here, ONCE MORE, IS ANOTHER BLATANT OBVIOUS example of BELIEFS and CONFIRMATION BIASES AT WORK, and AT PLAY.

[Gary Childress]

Has anyone heard of the UN condemning Hamas? Maybe the lust of malice prevails there too?

Looks like the Secretary-General of the UN condemned them. Israel was in the right when it first happened, however, when it went on the rampage for retribution, it pretty much trashed that empathy on the part of other nations. The same thing happened after 9/11. Much of the world condemned the attack and then when Bush got his revenge for it, people realized things had gone too far. Someone has to stand up and refuse to retaliate. Unfortunately, the West is no better than anyone else. The high ground rests with the one who is attacked. Once retribution is achieved, that high ground disappears in the wake of innocent collateral casualties.

https://www.google.com/search?q=un+cond ... cg0PU,st:0

[Gary Childress]

If we digress for a moment, Iran is expelling 5 million Afghan refugees, and Pakistan is expelling 1.7 million Muslim Afghans, co-religionists.
Maybe someone can explain why no one is concerned about the fate of those unfortunate people, including millions of children?
I dare to suggest that anti-Semites “worried” about Palestinian children, whom Hamas uses as human shields and does not allow these children to leave the places of hostilities, these anti-Semites are worried about children much like Hamas is concerned about these children, and what warms anti-Semites is not love for children, but the lust of malice, which is Judeophobia, in the words of Tolstoy.

To be honest, I'm no fan of Iran and other tyrannies. However, as soon as a politician tries to appease his people by going off on a killing spree himself in retaliation, it becomes impossible to take a moral stand against such countries. It seems to me that once retribution is done, the scales return to their state of being even or in balance. No more judgment can take place after that.

[Sculptor]

It's puzzling.

You always take the Chickenshit Pathway no matter the topic, don’t you Sculptor. Fortunately, you may be a faux judge but you are not also a real jury and executioner.

You seem to lack the moral framework to comprehend, to distinguish between what Hamas did against civilization, humanity and decency, from what Israel does in order to prevent future atrocities against Israel, by forces that have vowed Israel's extermination.

Pictures of babies? Get real, Chickenshit. Israel will do what it takes to survive, including offend you. By Any Means Necessary, because Israel is at War for its survival.

What irony for the Jew Hating Democrats Who Hate America (a hatred of Jews explained in Mark Levin's best selling book), who apply any means necessary to politics for aquiring power and crushing opposition.

Take a moment and watch this.
https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmu ... 6548412715
There is nothing historically inaccurate about it.

Are you saying that Biden is "jew hating"?
You seem to be desperately confused here

[Sculptor]

THis short video points to the complexity of the situation.
This war did not start on Octber 6th.
https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmu ... 6548412715

[Sculptor]

Americans love to talk about freedom whilst enslaving the world and helping dictators enslave their own people.

But there is something in the Celtic spirit which through their own opression by the British Empire means they have more understanding.

https://www.tiktok.com/@fifamania69/vid ... 1132817952

https://www.tiktok.com/@ahmedchaib1105/ ... 1132817952

https://www.tiktok.com/@drfootball06/vi ... 1132817952

[Sculptor]

It get better and better..

https://www.tiktok.com/@hailhailthecelt ... 1132817952

[Gary Childress]

Americans love to talk about freedom whilst enslaving the world and helping dictators enslave their own people.

Some Americans do.

[Atla]

That's a sobering video.

Make an effort for once, and explain why it's sobering. Good grief, make yourself useful.

It's sobering because it seems to put the onus of evil on Islam. Perhaps Islam is the ultimate expression of "religion", the ultimate solution for "believer" versus "unbeliever". Eradicate the "unbelievers" in the name of "good", in the name of "heaven" on Earth. It even originates in the Abrahamic tradition. If there's a God, judging from Islam's success, I'd say God doesn't seem to have too much of a problem with it.

As I've said elsewhere, let's just all ditch God and try something else.

I'd say the West (without Jewish interference) is evil, Zionists are even more evil, and Islam in general is even more evil than that. (Plus Russia is about as evil as Zionists.)

And in a nutshell, that's why Atla doesn't do political and social philosophy.