Is morality objective or subjective?

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Lacewing wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:27 pm

Existence of man does not prove existence of the God that man imagines.
Have you ever thought that even the existence of the entity that imagines God, known conceptually as 'Wo/Man' is also imagined?
There is a sense of being conscious, there is a consciousness that seems to know physical imaged concepts, as they are mentally imaged, but this conscious knowing is imageless, do you agree?

Imagination is of the mind, the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality. In other words, the imagination is of the mind and is a creative ability of the uncreated. So creation itself can only be apparent, seemingly real, but not necessarily so. Do you agree LW.. or not?

What I'm trying to say is that when something is created, the ingredients for the created thing must have already existed, otherwise, the created thing wouldn't have been a possibility.

The trouble with the idea of 'created things', known as concepts, is that they imply a creator, and so that creates the idea of who created the creator, and then we end up with the infinite regress problem. So we can only conclude that there has always been literally EVERYTHING existing forever eternally, and uncreated, with no beginning or end. Which means, there is no escape from this, ever.

Even if someone tried to kill themself, that wouldn't be possible, as their once formed energy would just have dispersed into the energy of all that is, and will maybe just pop up as some other form another time, somewhere in the timeless eternity.
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immanuel Cant wrote:Despite the fact that your subjective feeling about incest may be equivocal, your sense that it's wrong to allow a situation to issue in a genetically-damaged offspring, when the means to prevent it were obvious, feels "wrong" to you.
Sure, to the extent that incest does result in genetically damaged offspring, it seems reasonable to avoid it. But in a No God world, what is the philosophical -- scientific? -- argument that does in fact establish that even this is inherently/necessarily immoral?

And family members can always avoid actual intercourse. Physical intimacy can be embodied in many, many other ways. And even in regard to copulation if the man has had a vasectomy or the woman a hysterectomy, there's no chance of a pregnancy occurring.

And while some have a "sense" that it is wrong while others have a "sense" that it is not wrong, the Christian God Himself must of had a "sense" that it was okay for Adam and Eve and Noah and Naamah to produce offspring through incestuous sexual intercourse.


Also, let's not forget all of the genetically damaged children that God is responsible for among those pregnancies that were not as a result of incest: https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/data.html

And then the Christian God's very own abortions...miscarriages and still births.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:34 pm
Any more stupid questions, Walker?
You just asked one.
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:27 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:08 am You haven't considered this ...

Man cannot create even one Man in his image
Are you not aware that humans procreate in their image all the time?
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:08 amlet alone create The God of All men in his image.
Man creates this 'God of all men' with his mind/beliefs as is demonstrated by the broad spectrum of inconsistent and conflicting religions and versions of God.

Existence of man does not prove existence of the God that man imagines.
Must you begin every posting with a dose of snot?

- No, man cannot create life. Frankenstein’s monster was a Halloween story, not reality.
- A human is but one ingredient in God’s recipe for making another human life in God's image.

- Man cannot create one Man in his image, let alone create The God of All in Man's image. Man can only fashion the elements that God has made.

- God creates billions of unique human forms, but every unique human form is made in the image of God. Man can’t even comprehend that, let alone do that.
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Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:18 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:27 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:08 am You haven't considered this ...

Man cannot create even one Man in his image
Are you not aware that humans procreate in their image all the time?
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:08 amlet alone create The God of All men in his image.
Man creates this 'God of all men' with his mind/beliefs as is demonstrated by the broad spectrum of inconsistent and conflicting religions and versions of God.

Existence of man does not prove existence of the God that man imagines.
Must you begin every posting with a dose of snot?

- No, man cannot create life. Frankenstein’s monster was a Halloween story, not reality.
- A human is but one ingredient in God’s recipe for making another human life in God's image.

- Man cannot create one Man in his image, let alone create The God of All in Man's image. Man can only fashion the elements that God has made.

- God creates billions of unique human forms, but every unique human form is made in the image of God. Man can’t even comprehend that, let alone do that.
Who the fuck is god?
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:34 pm
Of course, man can create other men in his image.
No Gary. Man does not assemble the ingredients of even one single cell of the human body and animate it with life. God does all that, effortlessly. Many does not put the brain in the skull. Man is not the creator of his own body, let alone the body of another person. Man is merely the caretaker of a body made by God, in the way God makes bodies, not in the way that man cannot.
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Sculptor wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:29 pm Who is god?
"Who" is a rather large assumption.
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Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:31 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:29 pm Who is god?
"Who" is a rather large assumption.
I assume nothing.Hypotheses non fingo
You seem to know all about it.
So what do you mean by "GOD"?
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Just answering questions for folks who apparently can't figure a damn thing out on their own, let alone a good thing.

:lol:

God is the ineffable, which is the very definition of 'Nuff said.
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Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:30 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:34 pm
Of course, man can create other men in his image.
No Gary. Man does not assemble the ingredients of even one single cell of the human body and animate it with life. God does all that, effortlessly. Many does not put the brain in the skull. Man is not the creator of his own body, let alone the body of another person. Man is merely the caretaker of a body made by God, in the way God makes bodies, not in the way that man cannot.
God must be very busy if he assembles the cell of EVERY human baby as they develop. Does he do it with Legos?
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:44 am
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:30 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:34 pm
Of course, man can create other men in his image.
No Gary. Man does not assemble the ingredients of even one single cell of the human body and animate it with life. God does all that, effortlessly. Many does not put the brain in the skull. Man is not the creator of his own body, let alone the body of another person. Man is merely the caretaker of a body made by God, in the way God makes bodies, not in the way that man cannot.
God must be very busy if he assembles the cell of EVERY human baby as they develop. Does he do it with Legos?
I think God assembled your brain with Legos, Gary, seeing as how you're such a special case.

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Walker wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:18 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:44 am
Walker wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:30 pm
No Gary. Man does not assemble the ingredients of even one single cell of the human body and animate it with life. God does all that, effortlessly. Many does not put the brain in the skull. Man is not the creator of his own body, let alone the body of another person. Man is merely the caretaker of a body made by God, in the way God makes bodies, not in the way that man cannot.
God must be very busy if he assembles the cell of EVERY human baby as they develop. Does he do it with Legos?
I think God assembled your brain with Legos, Gary.
He didn't put it together very well.
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I love that story, Gary. So full of drama and conflict. And you the hero, persevering through obstacles not of your making. Tell it again.
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Walker wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:21 am I love that story, Gary. So full of drama and conflict. And you the hero, persevering through obstacles not of your making. Tell it again.
Doesn't God's ass need some kissing right now? Shouldn't you be focussing on that? Maybe God will reward you with my head on a stick.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:36 am
Walker wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:21 am I love that story, Gary. So full of drama and conflict. And you the hero, persevering through obstacles not of your making. Tell it again.
Doesn't God's ass need some kissing right now? Shouldn't you be focussing on that? Maybe God will reward you with my head on a stick.
Your ignorance has burned through your ration of good will for today, Lego Brain. Your cheap thrill is blasphemy. Go play with yourself.
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