Wonkers and Israel

[Alexis Jacobi]

Did you know that the religious Orthodox Jews are themselves anti-Israel?

Then you quote one orthodox Jew who is an American Orthoxox Jew, the spokesperson for a minority fringe group.

So, right from the start of your post you start with an implicit lie (or you are not competent when it comes to generalizing and citing people, because it is a falsehood that the Orthodox Jew are anti-Israel. Some are, most are not.

Haredim & Zionism

The fringe position of Neturei Karta:

Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: נָטוֹרֵי קַרְתָּא, romanized: nāṭōrēy qartāʾ, lit. 'Guardians of the City') is a fringe religious group of Haredi Jews, formally created in Jerusalem, then in Mandatory Palestine, in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisrael. Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a "peaceful dismantling" of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah and that the state of Israel is a rebellion against God.

Most Heredi Orthodox cannot support Zionism for that one core reason. Zionism “forced the issue” and is “rebellion” against Jewish fate.

They may live in Israel though (or not) but they have a problematic relationship with the political state.

Cont. Wiki page:

There are a number of Haredi groups which not only oppose Zionism, but also do not recognize the State of Israel. Among them are the Hasidic sects of Shomer Emunim (and its offshoots, Toldos Aharon, and Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok), Mishkenos HoRoim, and Dushinsky. In July 1947, Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky, Chief Rabbi of the Jerusalem-based Edah HaChareidis, declared to the United Nations his "definite opposition to a Jewish state in any part of Palestine". The largest anti-Zionist Hasidic group is Satmar, which has around 100,000 adherents worldwide. The group's position was crystallized by their charismatic leader, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, who authored comprehensive and polemic tracts detailing his opposition to Zionism. He encouraged his followers who live in the "Holy Land" to form self-sufficient communities, rejecting social state benefits, and not to vote in general elections. Anxious not to be viewed as supportive of the actions of the Israeli government, which he viewed as an abomination, he instructed his people not to visit the Western Wall and other holy sites which had been captured by Israel in the 1967 war.

[Age]

The people of Easter Island rendered their island an almost sterile grassland as they cut down every tree on the island in order to transport the headstones that served as the foundation for their religion.

Is 'this', EXACTLY, what HAPPENED?

OR, what was SAID to HAVE HAPPENED?

As far as historians have been able to piece together, it is "exactly" what happened.

NO MATTER what 'NAME' 'you', human beings, GIVE "yourselves" what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, in the PAST, IS UNKNOWN.

AND, REMAINS 'THAT WAY', UNTIL 'you', join 'us', IN what 'you' called 'time travel', back in those 'olden days' when this was being written.

Now, do 'you' NOT FIND it ALL STRANGE that the human beings who were living on, and off, that island, supposedly cut down absolutely EVERY tree on the island in order to transport the headstones, ONLY, while NEVER EVER USING one of those trees for ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' ELSE, like for making fires AND/OR for cooking, for example?

[Gary Childress]

Is 'this', EXACTLY, what HAPPENED?

OR, what was SAID to HAVE HAPPENED?

As far as historians have been able to piece together, it is "exactly" what happened.

NO MATTER what 'NAME' 'you', human beings, GIVE "yourselves" what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, in the PAST, IS UNKNOWN.

AND, REMAINS 'THAT WAY', UNTIL 'you', join 'us', IN what 'you' called 'time travel', back in those 'olden days' when this was being written.

Now, do 'you' NOT FIND it ALL STRANGE that the human beings who were living on, and off, that island, supposedly cut down absolutely EVERY tree on the island in order to transport the headstones, ONLY, while NEVER EVER USING one of those trees for ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' ELSE, like for making fires AND/OR for cooking, for example?

Of course, they cut down trees for other purposes. Building fires to cook and live is necessary and essential. However, creating all those headstones was not. It is believed that when it started to become evident to them that their habitat was suffering from the overuse of trees, their response was to build and move headstones at a faster pace in order to "please the gods". It is believed that they thought the "gods" would give them what they needed (mana) if the gods were "pleased". However, there were no gods giving them anything. They did not focus on sustainability. Instead, they wasted an enormous amount of resources trying to "please" fictitious entities which, in reality, did nothing for them.

[Walker]

... which, in reality, did nothing for them.

In reality, they made you remember them, and conjur up notions.

They transcended time and space, and they did that to you, Gary.

They took your time and space via the energy required for you to put order to those words, and by doing that another order was created that enabled them to be, through you. What it did for them, was existence.

That order that was created is a reflection of the Big Kahuna.

That's the reality of what's happening.

[Gary Childress]

... which, in reality, did nothing for them.

In reality, they made you remember them, and conjur up notions.

They transcended time and space, and they did that to you, Gary.

They took your time and space via the energy required for you to put order to those words, and by doing that another order was created that enabled them to be, through you. What it did for them, was existence.

That's the reality of what's happening.

More worthless dancing. Do you ever decide to keep your mouth shut and say nothing when you ought to say nothing, idiot?

[Walker]

... which, in reality, did nothing for them.

In reality, they made you remember them, and conjur up notions.

They transcended time and space, and they did that to you, Gary.

They took your time and space via the energy required for you to put order to those words, and by doing that another order was created that enabled them to be, through you. What it did for them, was existence.

That's the reality of what's happening.

More worthless dancing. Do you ever decide to keep your mouth shut and say nothing when you ought to say nothing, idiot?

I think you may have missed this edit, that just may change your mind.

That order that was created is a reflection of the Big Kahuna.

[Age]

FIRSTLY, IF 'you' WANT me to SEE and/or REPLY to 'your words', THEN 'you' NEED to quote me with my name. Otherwise I may, OBVIOUSLY, MISS 'it'.

1) “Problem”

[Middle English probleme, from Old French, from Latin problēma, problēmat-, from Greek, from proballein, to throw before, put forward : pro-, before; see pro-2 + ballein, blē-, to throw; see gwelə- in Indo-European roots.]

So, like; to 'put forward', a question posed for a solution, right?

a. any thing, matter, person, etc, that is difficult to deal with, solve, or overcome
b. (as modifier): a problem child.

4. (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) (modifier) designating a literary work that deals with difficult moral questions: a problem play.

1. any question or matter involving doubt, uncertainty, or difficulty.
2. a question proposed for solution or discussion

So, when 'you' continually say, 'Zionism is the problem here'

What does the word MEAN or REFER TO, EXACTLY, to 'you', "alexis jacobi"?

2) “Zionism”

A known, defined thing.

To, and by, WHO, EXACTLY?

AND, if so-called 'zionism' IS a KNOWN, and defined thing, to 'you', then who and/or what IS 'that' KNOWN and DEFINED 'thing', to 'you', EXACTLY?

3) “False-narratives'” / “Lies”

My views can only be considered essays or attempts to define what is seen and thought accurately and fairly.

ONLY TO and BY 'you', right?

Or, are 'you' ATTEMPTING to SPEAK and WRITE here FOR, and/or TO, "others", as well?

Ideally, there are narratives that get to the truth, or close. But obviously there are those that are false and also lies.

Are ABSOLUTELY ANY of 'your' OWN 'narratives' 'false' and/or 'lies'?

4) “Jews / Judaism”

You may know nothing of these topics, and most in fact don’t, so what is needed (for you to understand these terms) is research you conduct on your own because knowing is important to you.

Okay. SO 'who' and/or 'what' do 'I' GO TO for the Factual and True STORY or STORIES?

Have 'you' EVER SEEN the CLEARLY CONFLICTING STORIES that 'you', adult human beings, TELL "each other", and NOT just here in this forum, but just about EVERYWHERE, in the days when this is being written?

5) “Progress”

If you are not progressing, I sympathize. I choose progress as my objective.

'you' CAN CHOOSE 'progress' as 'your objective' but 'that' in NO WAY MEANS that 'you' are ACTUALLY 'progressing'. As can be CLEARLY WITNESSED and SEEN here.

Every day I progress.

In regards to 'what', EXACTLY?

It is a question of ‘inclination’ and ‘decision’.

Yes, some are 'inclined' and do 'decide' to BE MORE FIXED and RIGID in 'their views and perspectives'.

AGAIN, as can be CLEARLY SEEN here.

[While I did think your original questions had merit, I don’t foresee continuing to engage with you because of your nutty discursive methods (annoying, tedious).]

BUT 'you' MENTIONED something like 'this' PREVIOUSLY.

ALSO, it was a VERY COMMON THEME among 'these people', back then, WHEN QUESTIONED and/or CHALLENGED OVER 'their views and claims' 'they' WOULD just LEAVE. BUT, 'this' is just what HAPPENS when one can NOT back up and support 'their views and claims'.

Finally:

But what these people ARE 'seeing' 'here and now', in the days when this is being written, might just be VERY TRUE.

It ‘might’ but then anything ‘might’ be true.

That is GREAT that 'you' HAVE 'this view and perspective'.

BUT, OBVIOUSLY, there ARE SOME 'things', which just could NEVER be true.

I propose, in contradistinction, that these beliefs connect with pathologies. That is a very fraught and complex topic but one I do intend to go into in some depth further on.

Okay. I look FORWARD TO SEEING what 'you' HAVE TO SAY here.

[Gary Childress]

In reality, they made you remember them, and conjur up notions.

They transcended time and space, and they did that to you, Gary.

They took your time and space via the energy required for you to put order to those words, and by doing that another order was created that enabled them to be, through you. What it did for them, was existence.

That's the reality of what's happening.

More worthless dancing. Do you ever decide to keep your mouth shut and say nothing when you ought to say nothing, idiot?

I think you may have missed this edit, that just may change your mind.

That order that was created is a reflection of the Big Kahuna.

You're a waste of space, Walker. The world would be better off without your nonsense. You are the poster child for when opposition and defiance become DISORDERS. Just shut up. The world doesn't need your garbage. Or continue to pollute the world. People like you will be the end of all of us. Fortunately for you, I am not suggesting to you to self-destruct, only that you change your tune, kiddo.

[Age]

As far as historians have been able to piece together, it is "exactly" what happened.

NO MATTER what 'NAME' 'you', human beings, GIVE "yourselves" what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, in the PAST, IS UNKNOWN.

AND, REMAINS 'THAT WAY', UNTIL 'you', join 'us', IN what 'you' called 'time travel', back in those 'olden days' when this was being written.

Now, do 'you' NOT FIND it ALL STRANGE that the human beings who were living on, and off, that island, supposedly cut down absolutely EVERY tree on the island in order to transport the headstones, ONLY, while NEVER EVER USING one of those trees for ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' ELSE, like for making fires AND/OR for cooking, for example?

Of course, they cut down trees for other purposes.

OKAY. So now the so-called "historians' were NOT INFORMING 'you' of EXACTLY what happened, right?

Oh, and by the way, HOW do 'you', "gary childress", KNOW, OF COURSE, what happened, BACK THEN?

Building fires to cook and live is necessary and essential.

NO 'it' IS NOT.

However, creating all those headstones was not.

Building fires to cook is, and was, ALSO NOT necessary NOR essential,

It is believed that when it started to become evident to them that their habitat was suffering from the overuse of trees, their response was to build and move headstones at a faster pace in order to "please the gods".

1. And what, EXACTLY, would have made people BELIEVE 'this'?

2. What people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL. For example, people BELIEVE/D that the sun revolves around the earth and/or that the Universe began and is expanding.

It is believed that they thought the "gods" would give them what they needed (mana) if the gods were "pleased".

1. WAS 'this' WRITTEN DOWN in IRREFUTABLE FORM, by 'those people'?

2. What 'you' people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL.

However, there were no gods giving them anything.

Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE of 'this'?

If yes, then HOW, EXACTLY?

By the way, could 'their Gods' be DIFFERENT FROM 'your God/s'?

They did not focus on sustainability. Instead, they wasted an enormous amount of resources trying to "please" fictitious entities which, in reality, did nothing for them.

What we have here IS ANOTHER PRIME example of WHEN one HEARS some 'thing', which they WANT TO BELIEVE IS TRUE, then 'they' WILL 'pass on' 'that information' as though 'it' is ACTUALLY REALLY TRUE and RIGHT.

BUT, ONCE MORE, WITHOUT A SHRED of ACTUAL PROOF being NECESSARY.

[Gary Childress]

NO MATTER what 'NAME' 'you', human beings, GIVE "yourselves" what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, in the PAST, IS UNKNOWN.

AND, REMAINS 'THAT WAY', UNTIL 'you', join 'us', IN what 'you' called 'time travel', back in those 'olden days' when this was being written.

Now, do 'you' NOT FIND it ALL STRANGE that the human beings who were living on, and off, that island, supposedly cut down absolutely EVERY tree on the island in order to transport the headstones, ONLY, while NEVER EVER USING one of those trees for ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' ELSE, like for making fires AND/OR for cooking, for example?

Of course, they cut down trees for other purposes.

OKAY. So now the so-called "historians' were NOT INFORMING 'you' of EXACTLY what happened, right?

Oh, and by the way, HOW do 'you', "gary childress", KNOW, OF COURSE, what happened, BACK THEN?

Building fires to cook and live is necessary and essential.

NO 'it' IS NOT.

However, creating all those headstones was not.

Building fires to cook is, and was, ALSO NOT necessary NOR essential,

It is believed that when it started to become evident to them that their habitat was suffering from the overuse of trees, their response was to build and move headstones at a faster pace in order to "please the gods".

1. And what, EXACTLY, would have made people BELIEVE 'this'?

2. What people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL. For example, people BELIEVE/D that the sun revolves around the earth and/or that the Universe began and is expanding.

It is believed that they thought the "gods" would give them what they needed (mana) if the gods were "pleased".

1. WAS 'this' WRITTEN DOWN in IRREFUTABLE FORM, by 'those people'?

2. What 'you' people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL.

However, there were no gods giving them anything.

Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE of 'this'?

If yes, then HOW, EXACTLY?

By the way, could 'their Gods' be DIFFERENT FROM 'your God/s'?

They did not focus on sustainability. Instead, they wasted an enormous amount of resources trying to "please" fictitious entities which, in reality, did nothing for them.

What we have here IS ANOTHER PRIME example of WHEN one HEARS some 'thing', which they WANT TO BELIEVE IS TRUE, then 'they' WILL 'pass on' 'that information' as though 'it' is ACTUALLY REALLY TRUE and RIGHT.

BUT, ONCE MORE, WITHOUT A SHRED of ACTUAL PROOF being NECESSARY.

Become relevant, Age, or else just shut up. Your garbage is going to destroy us all. LISTEN TO ME.

[Age]

... which, in reality, did nothing for them.

In reality, they made you remember them, and conjur up notions.

GREAT POINT.

'They' ALSO TAUGHT LESSONS ABOUT what NOT TO DO, and what TO DO.

EXACTLY LIKE 'you', people and posters, here ARE TEACHING future generations ALSO.

'you', here, are just LEAVING 'your mark' in ACTUAL WRITTEN WORDS, and NOT in what some might refer to as 'over-sized heads'.

They transcended time and space, and they did that to you, Gary.

VERY True.

BUT YET, when I SAY that 'this is what 'I' AM DOING here', in this forum, I get LAUGHED AT and/or considered INSANE, by SOME people here.

They took your time and space via the energy required for you to put order to those words, and by doing that another order was created that enabled them to be, through you. What it did for them, was existence.

That order that was created is a reflection of the Big Kahuna.

That's the reality of what's happening.

[Age]

Of course, they cut down trees for other purposes.

OKAY. So now the so-called "historians' were NOT INFORMING 'you' of EXACTLY what happened, right?

Oh, and by the way, HOW do 'you', "gary childress", KNOW, OF COURSE, what happened, BACK THEN?

Building fires to cook and live is necessary and essential.

NO 'it' IS NOT.

However, creating all those headstones was not.

Building fires to cook is, and was, ALSO NOT necessary NOR essential,

It is believed that when it started to become evident to them that their habitat was suffering from the overuse of trees, their response was to build and move headstones at a faster pace in order to "please the gods".

1. And what, EXACTLY, would have made people BELIEVE 'this'?

2. What people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL. For example, people BELIEVE/D that the sun revolves around the earth and/or that the Universe began and is expanding.

It is believed that they thought the "gods" would give them what they needed (mana) if the gods were "pleased".

1. WAS 'this' WRITTEN DOWN in IRREFUTABLE FORM, by 'those people'?

2. What 'you' people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL.

However, there were no gods giving them anything.

Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE of 'this'?

If yes, then HOW, EXACTLY?

By the way, could 'their Gods' be DIFFERENT FROM 'your God/s'?

They did not focus on sustainability. Instead, they wasted an enormous amount of resources trying to "please" fictitious entities which, in reality, did nothing for them.

What we have here IS ANOTHER PRIME example of WHEN one HEARS some 'thing', which they WANT TO BELIEVE IS TRUE, then 'they' WILL 'pass on' 'that information' as though 'it' is ACTUALLY REALLY TRUE and RIGHT.

BUT, ONCE MORE, WITHOUT A SHRED of ACTUAL PROOF being NECESSARY.

Become relevant, Age, or else just shut up. Your garbage is going to destroy us all. LISTEN TO ME.

'This' here seems rather VERY HYPOCRITICAL. But 'each to their own', as some say.

[Gary Childress]

Age and Walker, now in accord. Choosing your mates...

[Gary Childress]

OKAY. So now the so-called "historians' were NOT INFORMING 'you' of EXACTLY what happened, right?

Oh, and by the way, HOW do 'you', "gary childress", KNOW, OF COURSE, what happened, BACK THEN?



NO 'it' IS NOT.



Building fires to cook is, and was, ALSO NOT necessary NOR essential,


1. And what, EXACTLY, would have made people BELIEVE 'this'?

2. What people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL. For example, people BELIEVE/D that the sun revolves around the earth and/or that the Universe began and is expanding.


1. WAS 'this' WRITTEN DOWN in IRREFUTABLE FORM, by 'those people'?

2. What 'you' people BELIEVE is NOT necessarily True, Right, NOR Correct AT ALL.


Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE of 'this'?

If yes, then HOW, EXACTLY?

By the way, could 'their Gods' be DIFFERENT FROM 'your God/s'?


What we have here IS ANOTHER PRIME example of WHEN one HEARS some 'thing', which they WANT TO BELIEVE IS TRUE, then 'they' WILL 'pass on' 'that information' as though 'it' is ACTUALLY REALLY TRUE and RIGHT.

BUT, ONCE MORE, WITHOUT A SHRED of ACTUAL PROOF being NECESSARY.

Become relevant, Age, or else just shut up. Your garbage is going to destroy us all. LISTEN TO ME.

'This' here seems rather VERY HYPOCRITICAL. But 'each to their own', as some say.

Then stop being a hypocrite, Age. Problem solved.

[Gary Childress]

I pray you two never wake up and experience what will happen if you don't listen to those who ought to be listened to.