Is morality objective or subjective?

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:32 am Why expect moral superiority from an evil God?
I expect moral superiority from anybody who bestows evilness upon others.
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:35 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:32 am Why expect moral superiority from an evil God?
I expect moral superiority from anybody who bestows evilness upon others.
From such a God, I only expect amorality and potentially sadism.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:38 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:35 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:32 am Why expect moral superiority from an evil God?
I expect moral superiority from anybody who bestows evilness upon others.
From such a God, I only expect amorality and potentially sadism.
And from your moral superiority - I expect you to right all of God's wrongs.
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:40 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:38 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:35 am
I expect moral superiority from anybody who bestows evilness upon others.
From such a God, I only expect amorality and potentially sadism.
And from your moral superiority - I expect you to right all of God's wrongs.
Good idea, but first I will need to become a powerful God myself, who can do such things.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:42 am Good idea, but first I will need to become a powerful God myself, who can do such things.
Well you became morally superior. What's stopping you now?
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:44 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:42 am Good idea, but first I will need to become a powerful God myself, who can do such things.
Well you became morally superior. What's stopping you now?
Lack of godly power. I need to remake this whole world, or rather destroy it and create a new one.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:47 am Lack of godly power. I need to remake this whole world, or rather destroy it and create a new one.
The lack of godly power didn't hinder you on your way to moral superiority.

Why is it hindering you now?
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:55 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:47 am Lack of godly power. I need to remake this whole world, or rather destroy it and create a new one.
The lack of godly power didn't hinder you on your way to moral superiority.

Why is it hindering you now?
Because morality is just some psychological stuff in the head, and mostly develops automatically, so it doesn't quite require the same effort as, for example, remaking the universe or creating a new one?

Is this a baffling realization to you?
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 am Because morality is just some psychological stuff in the head, and mostly develops automatically, so it doesn't quite require the same effort as, for example, remaking the universe or creating a new one?

Is this a baffling realization to you?
So what does it require to re-create a universe full of psychologies which automatically realize that they are morally superior to you-the-creator?

What's baffling to me is your confused reasoning.
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:04 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 am Because morality is just some psychological stuff in the head, and mostly develops automatically, so it doesn't quite require the same effort as, for example, remaking the universe or creating a new one?

Is this a baffling realization to you?
So what does it require to re-create a universe full of psychologies which automatically realize that they are morally superior to you-the-creator?

What's baffling to me is your confused reasoning.
That too would require godly power, but it's not the version that I would do.

You make even less sense than usual.. is it possible to make less than no sense? :shock:
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:09 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:04 am So what does it require to re-create a universe full of psychologies which automatically realize that they are morally superior to you-the-creator?
That too would require godly power, but it's not the version that I would do.
So in your version you'd create psychologies that are unable to attain moral superiority? That seems like a good idea! Will definitely quell any sort of rebelion.

Why do you think it hasn't already been implemented?
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:15 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:09 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:04 am So what does it require to re-create a universe full of psychologies which automatically realize that they are morally superior to you-the-creator?
That too would require godly power, but it's not the version that I would do.
So in your version you'd create psychologies that are unable to attain moral superiority? That seems like a good idea! Will definitely quell any sort of rebelion.

Why do you think it hasn't already been implemented?
No, and after I posted my last comment, I realized that this is what you would say if you were to argue in bad faith.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:25 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:15 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:09 am
That too would require godly power, but it's not the version that I would do.
So in your version you'd create psychologies that are unable to attain moral superiority? That seems like a good idea! Will definitely quell any sort of rebelion.

Why do you think it hasn't already been implemented?
No, and after I posted my last comment, I realized that this is what you would say if you were to argue in bad faith.
Since you are the source of moral superiority - what should have I said If I were to argue in good faith?
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:30 am
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:25 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:15 am
So in your version you'd create psychologies that are unable to attain moral superiority? That seems like a good idea! Will definitely quell any sort of rebelion.

Why do you think it hasn't already been implemented?
No, and after I posted my last comment, I realized that this is what you would say if you were to argue in bad faith.
Since you are the source of moral superiority - what should have I said If I were to argue in good faith?
Being morally superior (in my subjective view) to an amoral and potentially sadistic God, is not the same thing as being the source of moral superiority, compared to everyone and for all times.

Go fuck yourself subhuman. If you can't argue in good faith then don't argue.
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:27 am
Skepdick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:08 am Imagine you arrive and the dude has all the nametags pinned on his coat.

God
Yahweh
Allah
Thor
Zeus
...
Then God is evil for having humans kill each other in his nameS.
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:10 am Go fuck yourself subhuman. If you can't argue in good faith then don't argue.
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