Is morality objective or subjective?

[Skepdick]

To say that truth is morally right or good, and that falsehood is morally wrong or bad, is to express an opinion, which is subjective. And this has nothing to do with logic, which deals with the consistency of assertions.

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

They are all descriptively true from some perspective.

They have no prescriptive component.

[FlashDangerpants]

To say that truth is morally right or good, and that falsehood is morally wrong or bad, is to express an opinion, which is subjective. And this has nothing to do with logic, which deals with the consistency of assertions.

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

You cheated by having opinions about things that are not matters of empirical fact. So unfair.

[Harbal]

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

You cheated by having opinions about things that are not matters of empirical fact. So unfair.

Well I decided it was time for the gloves to come off.

[Immanuel Can]

To say that truth is morally right or good, and that falsehood is morally wrong or bad, is to express an opinion, which is subjective. And this has nothing to do with logic, which deals with the consistency of assertions.

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact, they don't have to be agreed upon.

I actually can't believe you didn't know that already. But okay.

You'll also notice that they are all markedly trivial opinions...which should tell you something about which kind of opinion matters.

[Harbal]

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

They are all descriptively true from some perspective.

But what about objectively true?

They have no prescriptive component.

What about, "shrimps should be banned"?

[FlashDangerpants]

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact

Why did you move the goal posts? Harbal gave an example of opinions which are not true or false.

Your own point about opinions needing to be true or false was intended as a riposte to Pete saying "To say that truth is morally right or good, and that falsehood is morally wrong or bad, is to express an opinion, which is subjective. And this has nothing to do with logic, which deals with the consistency of assertions." So it is clear that the opinions under consideration describe preferences rather tha facts.

You made a bad counter to Pete and Harbal showed you why.

[Harbal]

"Opinions" are true or false.

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact, they don't have to be agreed upon.

Moral opinions are basically opinions of taste, and not fact.

I actually can't believe you didn't know that already.

You'll also notice that they are all markedly trivial opinions...which should tell you something about which kind of opinion matters.

Moral opinions can also be trivial, but they are no different to the serious ones in principle.

[Immanuel Can]

Blue is a better colour than orange

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact

Why did you move the goal posts?

Why do you bother talking when such simple distinctions confuse you?

[Immanuel Can]

Blue is a better colour than orange, shrimps taste horrible, short hair looks better than long hair, Tuesday afternoon is the worst time of the week.

Could you tell me which of those opinions are true, and which are false?

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact, they don't have to be agreed upon.

Moral opinions are basically opinions of taste, and not fact.

Assuming the conclusion you want does not amount to demonstrating it.

[Harbal]

Those are merely opinions of taste. Unlike opinions of fact, they don't have to be agreed upon.

Moral opinions are basically opinions of taste, and not fact.

Assuming the conclusion you want does not amount to demonstrating it.

What, like assuming God exists?

[Immanuel Can]

Moral opinions are basically opinions of taste, and not fact.

Assuming the conclusion you want does not amount to demonstrating it.

What, like assuming God exists?

I thought you were uninterested in talking about that...but if your mind has changed, I can certainly do more than assume my conclusion with that one.

However, I'm not seeing what you can do with moral subjectivism.

[Harbal]

Assuming the conclusion you want does not amount to demonstrating it.

What, like assuming God exists?

I thought you were uninterested in talking about that...but if your mind has changed,

No, I don't want to talk about God, but thanks for asking.

[FlashDangerpants]

Moral opinions are basically opinions of taste, and not fact.

Assuming the conclusion you want does not amount to demonstrating it.

What, like assuming God exists?

He also just assumes that morals must be objective.

[Immanuel Can]

What, like assuming God exists?

I thought you were uninterested in talking about that...but if your mind has changed,

No, I don't want to talk about God, but thanks for asking.

Okay. Then show me a subjective moral imperative, instead.

[Harbal]

I thought you were uninterested in talking about that...but if your mind has changed,

No, I don't want to talk about God, but thanks for asking.

Okay. Then show me a subjective moral imperative, instead.

I must always try to behave with integrity.