Wonkers and Israel

[Alexis Jacobi]

Very pretty, but what does that have to do with slaughtering babies??

It is now circulating widely that the claims about beheading of babies is false.

Nevertheless if entire families were shot (I submitted such a video) children and babies were killed. The acts of violence, standing alone, is unjustifiable. But in thr context of horrible violence over years, instigated by Israel’s occupation, both sides are fully implicated in violence we describe as monstrous.

[iambiguous]

"Jews will not replace us" —White Supremacists at the Unite the Right rally, Charlottesville
"Gas the Jews" —Palestinian Supremacists rally celebrating Hamas murder of Jews, Sydney Australia
If you go far enough to the Left you end up on the far end of the Right''

Michael Shermer


The so-called 'far left' (i.e. The world of Wonkerdom) has ALWAYS had far more in common with the far right that ANYTHING to do with the so-called 'left' (which is really simply a collection of policies that are common to evolved, enlightened societies).

Far left.
Far right.

What do they share in common? Objectivism of course.

And yet the irony [for me] is that what they both share in common with vegetariantaxidermy and her ilk here [left and right] is the ever so truculent, contemptuous "my way or the highway" mentality.

VT often seethes with outrage at those who do not think about, well, everything under the sun, exactly as she does.

What's behind that?

You know, just out of curiosity.

And middle of the road people who think that people who get outraged are simply wrong to get outraged share something common with the far left and far right: objectivism.

And the middle of road people who think both extremes are wrong share something in common with those extremes: objectivism.

Lack of outrage nor place on the spectrum of political positions determine obejctivism

You can value compromise, nuanced positions, accepting that others have differing moral and political positions...and be an objectivist.

Okay, how is this applicable to the conflict over there now?

It is the religious fanatics on both sides of the border there who demand that it must be "my way or the highway". Though, yes, as I noted above, I do acknowledge that Israeli is far more democratic than Hamas. On the other hand, as any number of Palestinians can attest, this doesn't make the history of Zionism there go away. And some argue that in regard to the Supreme Court politics there of late, any number of the current "governing coalition" factions would indeed like to configure Israel into a theocracy.

How about you? Note for us what you believe ought to be pursued over there morally, politically, theologically by the parties involved. A resolution that does not revolve around one or another rendition of moderation, negotiation and compromise? It's just that while there are objectivists who embrace democracy and the rule of law, they believe they can persuade the voters that their own left or right, liberal or conservative arguments are the most rational, get voted into office and triumph. Few moderates that I have come upon are "fractured and fragmented".

Whereas those like me do find themselves drawn and quartered over and again. I believe that democracy and the rule of law reflects the "best of all possible worlds", but...but that doesn't make me any less fractured and fragmented in a No God world.

If there is ever any possibility of a resolution there, the moral, political and religious objectivists have to be willing to moderate their view, negotiate with others and reach an ever-evolving compromise given the shifting political fortunes of all those in any particular community.

Just as what is not included in your post indicates your objectivism. Just as the way you talk about VT indicates your objectivism.' Her way of being is so wrong that it leads to a call to psychoanalyze her.

Again, if it comforts and consoles you to see me as an objectivist yourself, fine, stick with it. And if you wish to compare me here with her, fine, stick with that too. And, of course, what you do here with me has absolutely nothing to do with...psychobabble?

And yes, I know you deny thinking your position is objectively right.

Yes, I do. There was once a time when, as a fiercely fanatic objectivist myself, I was ideologically opposed to Zionism and all things conseravtive and right-wing. Now, I am pulled and tugged in hopelessly conflicting directions.

And, again, in regard to the war over there or pertaining to any other moral and political conflagration of note, how are you not yourself fractured and fragmented?

Presuming you do not believe in God.

Are you or are you not a moral objectivist? And how are your own value judgments not the embodiment of the arguments I make in the OPs here:

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382

Given a context of your own choosing.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Interesting how 'hate' has become a big 'no no' in wonkerdom. No one is 'allowed' to openly admit that they hate anyone. This is referred to as a 'hate crime'. Yet the same clueless, conceited clowns are fine with 'inferior brown' people hating to their heart's content. In fact it's excused and encouraged, as everyone has seen on this one thread.They are too cowardly to admit that they just hate Jews, so they hide behind ridiculous maps and altered history (if they even bother to spend a single second looking up any history at all. Most don't).
We are all excpected to love and have compassion for child-murdering, woman-hating bastards.
Well kindly go fuck yourselves. No one tells me who I can and can't hate.

K: and it is rather clear, and you say so yourself, you pretty much hate
everyone.. especially on this site.. as you have stated multiple time before...
so, I can' really feel special when you hate me as you do hate everyone else...
so, go on, rinse and repeat, your hate and your moral outrage... oh,
and I can't forget your insults.. that would be unforgiveable to forget your
insults...its all you have to offer us... outrage and insults.. rinse and repeat...

Kropotkin

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Interesting how 'hate' has become a big 'no no' in wonkerdom. No one is 'allowed' to openly admit that they hate anyone. This is referred to as a 'hate crime'. Yet the same clueless, conceited clowns are fine with 'inferior brown' people hating to their heart's content. In fact it's excused and encouraged, as everyone has seen on this one thread.They are too cowardly to admit that they just hate Jews, so they hide behind ridiculous maps and altered history (if they even bother to spend a single second looking up any history at all. Most don't).
We are all excpected to love and have compassion for child-murdering, woman-hating bastards.
Well kindly go fuck yourselves. No one tells me who I can and can't hate.

K: and it is rather clear, and you say so yourself, you pretty much hate
everyone.. especially on this site.. as you have stated multiple time before...
so, I can' really feel special when you hate me as you do hate everyone else...
so, go on, rinse and repeat, your hate and your moral outrage... oh,
and I can't forget your insults.. that would be unforgiveable to forget your
insults...its all you have to offer us... outrage and insults.. rinse and repeat...

Kropotkin

You are right. I do hate warmongers who relish the murder of children in front of their mothers. So shoot me then, you fucking freak.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

"Jews will not replace us" —White Supremacists at the Unite the Right rally, Charlottesville
"Gas the Jews" —Palestinian Supremacists rally celebrating Hamas murder of Jews, Sydney Australia
If you go far enough to the Left you end up on the far end of the Right''

Michael Shermer


The so-called 'far left' (i.e. The world of Wonkerdom) has ALWAYS had far more in common with the far right that ANYTHING to do with the so-called 'left' (which is really simply a collection of policies that are common to evolved, enlightened societies).

Far left.
Far right.

What do they share in common? Objectivism of course.

And yet the irony [for me] is that what they both share in common with vegetariantaxidermy and her ilk here [left and right] is the ever so truculent, contemptuous "my way or the highway" mentality.

VT often seethes with outrage at those who do not think about, well, everything under the sun, exactly as she does.

What's behind that?

You know, just out of curiosity.

How many 'ways' are there to 'think about' the murder of children?

[Alexis Jacobi]

There was once a time when, as a fiercely fanatic objectivist myself, I was ideologically opposed to Zionism and all things conservative and right-wing. Now, I am pulled and tugged in hopelessly conflicting directions.

[Said in the accent of Cornell West]:

Brother, can you describe your conflict specifically in regard to Israel/Palestine?

What is your view of Zionism now?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Very pretty, but what does that have to do with slaughtering babies??

It is now circulating widely that the claims about beheading of babies is false.

Nevertheless if entire families were shot (I submitted such a video) children and babies were killed. The acts of violence, standing alone, is unjustifiable. But in thr context of horrible violence over years, instigated by Israel’s occupation, both sides are fully implicated in violence we describe as monstrous.

And here we have it. Because this freak disagrees with the politics of a country, then the babies and children who happen to be born in that country are to blame for their own torture and murder. He just said it.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Unfortunately for all of us, you are thoroughly ignorant of the entire issue.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Fucking unbelievable.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You are my favorite poster here though. What you write is remarkable & wonderful!

[iambiguous]

"Jews will not replace us" —White Supremacists at the Unite the Right rally, Charlottesville
"Gas the Jews" —Palestinian Supremacists rally celebrating Hamas murder of Jews, Sydney Australia
If you go far enough to the Left you end up on the far end of the Right''

Michael Shermer


The so-called 'far left' (i.e. The world of Wonkerdom) has ALWAYS had far more in common with the far right that ANYTHING to do with the so-called 'left' (which is really simply a collection of policies that are common to evolved, enlightened societies).

Far left.
Far right.

What do they share in common? Objectivism of course.

And yet the irony [for me] is that what they both share in common with vegetariantaxidermy and her ilk here [left and right] is the ever so truculent, contemptuous "my way or the highway" mentality.

VT often seethes with outrage at those who do not think about, well, everything under the sun, exactly as she does.

What's behind that?

You know, just out of curiosity.

How many 'ways' are there to 'think about' the murder of children?

Our children or their children? And which folks over there are more inclined to do so? If, for example, they are able to rationalize it in the name of God?

Come on, VT, as enraged as you get here at those here who don't toe your line...? You ought to know what that can drive the objectivists to.

The Israels are slaughtering hundreds of innocent children in Gaza right now: "447 children and 248 women among 1,417 killed in Israeli strikes in Gaza" Reuters News headline.

In retaliation for their own slaughtered children though, right? Children that Hamas slaughtered because of the accumulating outrage that they themselves feel in regard to Zionist atrocities committed by the Israelis going back to 1948.

"You started it!"
"No, you did!"

But it's the fiercely fanatic objectivists on both sides that sustain the theocratic dogmas that sustain the end justifying any and all means.

[iambiguous]

There was once a time when, as a fiercely fanatic objectivist myself, I was ideologically opposed to Zionism and all things conservative and right-wing. Now, I am pulled and tugged in hopelessly conflicting directions.

[Said in the accent of Cornell West]:

Brother, can you describe your conflict specifically in regard to Israel/Palestine?

What is your view of Zionism now?

That's not my point. My point is that there does not appear to be anyone -- God or No God -- able to describe the conflict objectively. Let alone encompass an objective moral narrative and political agenda to...resolve it?

Not even your own ponderous and [in my view] pedantic "wall of words" comes close to that.

Instead, we exchange one or another set of political prejudices rooted existentially in dasein.

And, again, it is the fiercely fanatically religious objectivists on both sides that sustain the most barbaric tits for the most barbaric tats.

And then of course the part that revolves around capitalism and all that fucking oil. Which God [if there is one] seems to have blessed the Muslims with in that part of the world.

Finally: https://youtu.be/_y-i5lF2z6Y?si=kPKh6b-Nz9d57jcA

[Alexis Jacobi]

But that was my question — brother.

[iambiguous]

But that was my question — brother.

Come on, Mr. Wiggle, as with VT, the only reason you ask questions here at all is to mock and to ridicule those who refuse to embrace your own answers.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I asked you to reveal what your thinking and understanding is of the situation we are — sort of — discussing.

Whether I respect it, agree or disagree with it, ridicule or praise it should not matter to you.

You said “I am pulled and tugged in hopelessly conflicting directions”.

Why apprehension in explaining?