Wonkers and Israel

[attofishpi]

''Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.''

Again, drawn and quartered.

"According to The Economist Group's Democracy Index 2020 study, Israel is the only democratic country (qualified as a "flawed democracy", ranked #28 worldwide) in the Middle East, while Tunisia (#53 worldwide) is the only democracy (also "flawed democracy") in North Africa. The level of democracy in nations throughout the world published by various democracy indices, report the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest scores are Israel, Tunisia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Kuwait." wiki

Now, ever and always rooted existentially in dasein, I do believe that, while the Palestinians have the most persuasive argument in regard to Zionism, the fact is that Israel does come the closest to reflecting my own political prejudice: democracy and the rule of law.

Unless of course as the New Yorker article above conjectured, the far far far right-wing governing coalition takes advantage of the Hamas incursions and really does end up turning Israel into a Yeshiva shit-hole.

Yeah right.

Netinyahoo is lovin' it..watch as the 'his' people rally around him, another step to his vision (akin to Trump) of autocracy.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I didn't know you were a mind reader. Must be an effect of all the heavy spirits

[attofishpi]

I didn't know you were a mind reader. Must be an effect of all the heavy spirits

If I was a mind reader I'd know what a 'wonker' is..care to explain?

ps. I rarely drink spirits..in fact I'm totally sober for some time now, hence am enlightened enough now to know this forum is a waste of time.

[attofishpi]

Wonkers and..

What is a wonker?

[Iwannaplato]

Wonkers and..

What is a wonker?

Gotta be a hybrid of woke and wanker.

[attofishpi]

Wonkers and..

What is a wonker?

Gotta be a hybrid of woke and wanker.

Ahh.
But everyone's a wanker, so Veg should just stick with 'woke', then I can get back to taking the piss out of her husband and his family (they're wookies, Veg has been obsessed with wookies for years).

[Impenitent]

Lebanon just entered the conflict

this is escalating...

peace love dope marxism isn't cutting it?

see you in hell

-Imp

[Iwannaplato]

Yeah, Israel has better rights for some groups (of its own citizens). But this doesn't mean it's good in relation to people who are not its citizens. And in conflicts more than one side can be wrong, criminal, whatever.

Some people on both sides are very happy about what is happening, even if they put a sombre, we have been wronged PR face to whatever they are about to do and are doing.

And people on both sides who those who love this don't care about will pay the price.

So, now we have two wars where the whole world may get dragged in, while the people who love war or have other goals than those they are saying present everything on moral grounds they don't care about.

[bahman]

The inevitable response to an illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, against the white settlers who come with false religious claims that the land is theirs.
Urumpph

That is true that their land is occupied by their approach is incorrect.

[Sculptor]

The inevitable response to an illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, against the white settlers who come with false religious claims that the land is theirs.
Urumpph

That is true that their land is occupied by their approach is incorrect.

I Assume you mean "but" their appraoch is incorrectgree. However, no one is listening to them and the abuses and opression of Palestinians by Israel continues unabated for decades.
Palestine's options are otherwise zero. And Isreal relishes that violence, because they can hit back hard.

We seem to be at the stage of who is going to break first. But my view is that the more Israel crushes, the more Palestine will wriggle.

So tell me what "approach" should Palestine try?

[Sculptor]

Again, drawn and quartered.

"According to The Economist Group's Democracy Index 2020 study, Israel is the only democratic country (qualified as a "flawed democracy", ranked #28 worldwide) in the Middle East, while Tunisia (#53 worldwide) is the only democracy (also "flawed democracy") in North Africa. The level of democracy in nations throughout the world published by various democracy indices, report the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest scores are Israel, Tunisia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Kuwait." wiki

Now, ever and always rooted existentially in dasein, I do believe that, while the Palestinians have the most persuasive argument in regard to Zionism, the fact is that Israel does come the closest to reflecting my own political prejudice: democracy and the rule of law.

Unless of course as the New Yorker article above conjectured, the far far far right-wing governing coalition takes advantage of the Hamas incursions and really does end up turning Israel into a Yeshiva shit-hole.

Yeah right.

Netinyahoo is lovin' it..watch as the 'his' people rally around him, another step to his vision (akin to Trump) of autocracy.

True. If nothing else the more Palestine puch the more fascistic becomes the regime of the Isrealis.
Maybe the only way out for Palestine is to push so hard that those that support Netty, will baulk at the horror of his regime.?
Not sure they have many options.

[iambiguous]

''Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.''

Again, drawn and quartered.

"According to The Economist Group's Democracy Index 2020 study, Israel is the only democratic country (qualified as a "flawed democracy", ranked #28 worldwide) in the Middle East, while Tunisia (#53 worldwide) is the only democracy (also "flawed democracy") in North Africa. The level of democracy in nations throughout the world published by various democracy indices, report the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest scores are Israel, Tunisia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Kuwait." wiki

Now, ever and always rooted existentially in dasein, I do believe that, while the Palestinians have the most persuasive argument in regard to Zionism, the fact is that Israel does come the closest to reflecting my own political prejudice: democracy and the rule of law.

Unless of course as the New Yorker article above conjectured, the far far far right-wing governing coalition takes advantage of the Hamas incursions and really does end up turning Israel into a Yeshiva shit-hole.

Yeah right.

Yeah, right?

Again, with you, in my view, it's not what you think about things like this, it's your ofttimes seething reaction to those who refuse who think as you do too.

Back to something I posted before about you here:

Indeed, what, in my opinion, is always most intriguing about these at times "arrogant, autocratic, authoritarian" pontificators is not what they argue but the way they bully those who dare not to share their own insufferable dogmas. Like she did with Maia on another thread.

So, perhaps, someday she might finally confront whatever or whoever turned her into this Satyrean caricature. Something has clearly pissed her off in life. Something that brings her into places like this in order to vent. And to accumulate scapegoats.

It seems [to me] that she needs to make scapegoats of those she construes to be part of whatever she is outraged about. But what is it? And how did it come about?

Wouldn't that be far more fascinating to explore?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yeah right.

Netinyahoo is lovin' it..watch as the 'his' people rally around him, another step to his vision (akin to Trump) of autocracy.

True. If nothing else the more Palestine puch the more fascistic becomes the regime of the Isrealis.
Maybe the only way out for Palestine is to push so hard that those that support Netty, will baulk at the horror of his regime.?
Not sure they have many options.

You are such a hypocrite. You don't give a flying rat's arse about so-called Palestinians. If you had so much 'empathy' for their (self inflicted) suffering then you wouldn't dismiss the vile things they do-- to each other and to Israelis. They always target the most vulnerable. You alleged 'pro Palestinians' are all the same. Mention the deliberate targeting of children (eg blowing up school buses) and the 'pro Palestinian' response is invariably 'pffffttt' accompanied by the predictable 'whataboutism'. Empathy is empathy. Children are children. You aren't anti war. I am the ONLY person on here who EVER mentions the continued slaughter of muslims in the ME. You couldn't give a fuck about them. You just HATE Israel, which means you hate Jews. Just be honest for once in your life. The most horrible things being done to Palestinians is by other Palestinians, and the only 'fascist regime' is its own vile, theocratic one. Go and live there then since you 'care' so much about them. How much tolerance do you think you would get from THEM for your autogynephilia and 'transfriends'? It would be a quick shove off the highest building.
What the fuck do you expect Israel to do? Hand the country it created over? Just lie down and say 'ok, you have it'. What do you think would happen then? The Palestinians wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. They would turn it into a huge islamic crap-hole in no time flat.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The moral difference comes down to understanding the answer to this question: what would each side do if they had the power to do it?

TRANSCRIPT:

The truth is that there is an obvious, undeniable, and hugely consequential moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The Israelis are surrounded by people who have explicitly genocidal intentions towards them. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. It looks forward to a time, based on Koranic prophesy, when the earth itself will cry out for Jewish blood, where the trees and the stones will say “O Muslim, there’s a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.” This is a political document. We are talking about a government that was voted into power by a majority of Palestinians.

The discourse in the Muslim world about Jews is utterly shocking. Not only is there widespread Holocaust denial—there’s Holocaust denial that then asserts that we will do it for real if given the chance. The only thing more obnoxious than denying the Holocaust is to say that it should have happened; it didn’t happen, but if we get the chance, we will accomplish it. There are children’s shows in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere that teach five-year-olds about the glories of martyrdom and about the necessity of killing Jews.

And this gets to the heart of the moral difference between Israel and her enemies. And this is something I discussed in The End of Faith. To see this moral difference, you have to ask what each side would do if they had the power to do it.

What would the Jews do to the Palestinians if they could do anything they wanted? Well, we know the answer to that question, because they can do more or less anything they want. The Israeli army could kill everyone in Gaza tomorrow. So what does that mean? Well, it means that, when they drop a bomb on a beach and kill four Palestinian children, as happened last week, this is almost certainly an accident. They’re not targeting children. They could target as many children as they want. Every time a Palestinian child dies, Israel edges ever closer to becoming an international pariah. So the Israelis take great pains not to kill children and other noncombatants.

What do we know of the Palestinians? What would the Palestinians do to the Jews in Israel if the power imbalance were reversed? Well, they have told us what they would do. For some reason, Israel’s critics just don’t want to believe the worst about a group like Hamas, even when it declares the worst of itself. We’ve already had a Holocaust and several other genocides in the 20th century. People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen.

There is every reason to believe that the Palestinians would kill all the Jews in Israel if they could. Would every Palestinian support genocide? Of course not. But vast numbers of them—and of Muslims throughout the world—would. Needless to say, the Palestinians in general, not just Hamas, have a history of targeting innocent noncombatants in the most shocking ways possible. They’ve blown themselves up on buses and in restaurants. They’ve massacred teenagers. They’ve murdered Olympic athletes. They now shoot rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. And again, the charter of their government in Gaza explicitly tells us that they want to annihilate the Jews—not just in Israel but everywhere.


Sam Harris

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Warmongering hypocrites like Sculptor relish what's going on in Isreal right now. Those mostly elderly, women and children are simply 'collateral' to atone for the 'suffering' of all those young, healthy-looking 'Palestinian' men (plus whoever they are recruiting), and rape and murder is what 'red blooded males' do to ease their 'suffering', of course.