Wonkers and Israel

[Alexis Jacobi]

Zionism set in motion events that cannot do else but result in evil outcomes.

The Zionist conquest of Palestine was an act of violence against the people of Palestine. Once one is exposed to that (the truth of the nature of the conquest events) it is impossible to un-see it.

Israel, backed by American Christian Zionists, gets pushed into a corner and must always double-down and triple-down on octaves of the original violence. It started as a trap and remains a trap.

Israel (i.e. governing structure and governing faction) never intended to share Israel or to allow a Palestinian state. Its designs involve a full conquest of at least what is pictured by the present map of Israel.

Once things of this nature get set in motion, with the underlying ‘evil’ that cannot be covered over, it festers and then manifests continually. The only cure is to go back to the beginning and deal with what happened. But that is impossible. So the only way forward is to continue on the road that we see now.

American Christian Zionists will double-down to continue the “Biblical” reconquest of Israel since this lens dominates how they see and determines choices and actions. All under “God’s” aegis and direction. Eventually they will achieve what they say that they want. A conflagration of terrible scope and consequence.

So many narratives run together in this situation. Not the least being the impossible absurdity of the core notion of God’s “selection” of the Jews. Christians latch onto this and piggyback their hallucinated prophecies into the political and social dimension.

One has to understand Christian Zionism (all recent presidents have been such) and the “Biblical Narrative” that paints the invasion and occupation of Israel in ‘48 in that light.

Zionism was predicted (by some) to turn out unfavorably. One can go back now and read those who opposed it.

One can also cover one’s eyes and ears and insist on some narrative or other that can only exacerbate what is now manifesting.

Probably it was a very very bad idea to allow the American Neocons such power over US policy to so disturb the politics of the Middle East — and these wars!

The chickens always come home to roost.

Do you think this means I take a side? That’s not quite right. Philosophers are said to have the luxury to examine things from a distance. My view is that just seeing things clearly is extremely hard in itself.

And there is always an “intruding lens” that insinuates itself and colors what we see, how we see, how we interpret.

[promethean75]

Do you think this means I take a side? That’s not quite right. Philosophers are said to have the luxury to examine things from a distance...."

... and they often double over with laughter when they do.

Until both of those idiots (jew and muslim) get that nonsense they believe out of their head, they get no sympathy from me. Find me a jew or a muslim who is a Marxist or an anarchist and I'll give two shits about what he/she thinks.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I think NC fits your order?

[promethean75]

Gandalf is spot on and that's precisely what's happening and has been happening.

[promethean75]

In any case the attack on israel was really well timed. The US is already engaged in supporting Ukraine, so giving aid to Israel is gonna squeeze the US even more and increase the debt.

Hit em when their lifeline is being drained by another war. Very nice!

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[iambiguous]

Wonkers are the hidden psychopaths. The ones who walk amongst us (and aren't in prison). This is why wonkers always come across as so icky and disingenuous. They don't have a genuine or empathetic bone in their bodies. They are the 'functioning psychopaths' who like to make a display of being 'kind and caring' because it's useful-- but simply can't pull it off. It's beyond their field of expertise, hence their obsession with virtue-signalling and any cause they deem to be trendy, safe, and with maximum usefulness to themselves. They have no interest whatsoever in unfashionable causes or anything that involves actual risk to themselves (social media is manna from heaven to them).

You know, whatever that means.


Next up: wankers and Israel

Pick one:

1] a contemptible person [if you are British]
2] a person who masturbates [if you are not]

In any event, what does not change is that the Jews and Muslims now killing each other in the name of God somehow have to reconcile that with the fact that it's the same God. In other words, the God that Christians worship and adore as well.

Then the part where it all comes down to Judgment Day.

What's a God supposed to do?!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The only people oppressing Palestinians are themselves and their disgusting, woman-hating, gay-murdering religion.
What do the wonkers think will happen if they get hold of Israel? Turn it into another Sharia shit-hole of course and then leave in droves to descend on places like England (with a bit of luck in Sculptor's pristine neck of the woods). Isn't Karma a bitch? Wonkers don't care about outcomes. There's no virtue-signalling value in that.

[promethean75]

"then leave in droves to descend on places like England (with a bit of luck in Sculptor's pristine neck of the woods). Isn't Karma a bitch?"

Now that IS some excellent karma, becuz it was the bloody brits that set that whole mess up over there in the first place a century ago.

[iambiguous]

The only people oppressing Palestinians are themselves and their disgusting, woman-hating, gay-murdering religion.
What do the wonkers think will happen if they get hold of Israel? Turn it into another Sharia shit-hole of course and then leave in droves to descend on places like England (with a bit of luck in Sculptor's pristine neck of the woods). Isn't Karma a bitch? Wonkers don't care about outcomes. There's no virtue-signalling value in that.

The irony here [for some] is that before the Hamas invasion, The "big news" regarding Israel revolved around attempts by the far far far right-wing governing coalition to turn Israel into a yeshiva shit-hole:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/isra ... ys-history

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... -theocracy

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/nati ... t/3328368/

Now, Bibi may actually have acquired the capacity to effectively throttle the Supreme Court there.

On the other hand, being fractured and fragmented here as well, to the extent the Palestinians/Arabs do attempt to embrace Sharia law, I'm inclined to agree with VT. Religious objectivists, whether Jews or Christians or Muslims are the actual existential danger here from my own hopelessly splintered frame of mind.

[mickthinks]

There isn't as big a difference in Palestinian and Israeli attitudes to and treatment of LGBTQ+ as some here have allowed themselves to be led to believe.

Just saying ...

[vegetariantaxidermy]

There isn't as big a difference in Palestinian and Israeli attitudes to and treatment of LGBTQ+ as some here have allowed themselves to be led to believe.

Just saying ...

Oh please elaborate, Englishman.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

''Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.''

Hmm. Sounds very similar to Sharia law

Countries that impose the death penalty for homosexuality. Hmm. Is there a common theme?

https://www.fairplanet.org/story/death- ... y-illegal/

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Notice how the resident wonker only uses the 'Wifi code community' (although he missed several characters) anagram to make his 'point'. I wonder why that would be

[iambiguous]

''Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.''

Again, drawn and quartered.

"According to The Economist Group's Democracy Index 2020 study, Israel is the only democratic country (qualified as a "flawed democracy", ranked #28 worldwide) in the Middle East, while Tunisia (#53 worldwide) is the only democracy (also "flawed democracy") in North Africa. The level of democracy in nations throughout the world published by various democracy indices, report the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest scores are Israel, Tunisia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Kuwait." wiki

Now, ever and always rooted existentially in dasein, I do believe that, while the Palestinians have the most persuasive argument in regard to Zionism, the fact is that Israel does come the closest to reflecting my own political prejudice: democracy and the rule of law.

Unless of course as the New Yorker article above conjectured, the far far far right-wing governing coalition takes advantage of the Hamas incursions and really does end up turning Israel into a Yeshiva shit-hole.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

''Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.''

Again, drawn and quartered.

"According to The Economist Group's Democracy Index 2020 study, Israel is the only democratic country (qualified as a "flawed democracy", ranked #28 worldwide) in the Middle East, while Tunisia (#53 worldwide) is the only democracy (also "flawed democracy") in North Africa. The level of democracy in nations throughout the world published by various democracy indices, report the Middle Eastern and North African countries with the highest scores are Israel, Tunisia, Turkey, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Kuwait." wiki

Now, ever and always rooted existentially in dasein, I do believe that, while the Palestinians have the most persuasive argument in regard to Zionism, the fact is that Israel does come the closest to reflecting my own political prejudice: democracy and the rule of law.

Unless of course as the New Yorker article above conjectured, the far far far right-wing governing coalition takes advantage of the Hamas incursions and really does end up turning Israel into a Yeshiva shit-hole.

Yeah right.