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Re: what should be the focus of existence....

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LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:50 am
Age wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:21 pm
LuckyR wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:57 pm

Well, in Real Life many, many say the same thing, yet have different answers. Sounds kind of random (subjective) to me (and to statisticians).
Okay, but are your own personal and different views, and what you perceive to be the so-called 'Real Life', the ONLY True and Real views?

By the way, have you ever REALLY delved down deep into all of those different views to ascertain what the One and ONLY ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY, in relation to the Only and ONLY Truly Real Life? Or do you just BELIEVE that you ALREADY KNOW the Real Life?
You're completely missing the point.
I, SOLELY and ONLY, ASKED you three SIMPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS here, SO HOW and WHY did you ASSUME and/or BELIEVE that I AM MISSING THE POINT here?

For all you KNOW, I ALREADY KNOW, and KNEW, EXACTLY, what THE POINT IS, and WAS. I, however, could have ASKED you SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS for SOME REASON, of which, what THE POINT IS FOR, EXACTLY, you are STILL YET TO UNCOVER.
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:50 am One person (say, you) being completely convinced the answer is X is expected.
WHY do you EXPECT ALL people to 'be completely convinced that the answer is X'?

I, for One, CERTAINLY DO NOT EXPECT 'you', people, to 'be completely convinced of 'things' that ARE Truly ILLOGICAL, ABSURD, NONSENSICAL and/or LUDICROUS. However, I CERTAINLY OBSERVED on MANY OCCASIONS, in the days when this is being written, MANY UPON MANY of 'you', adult human beings, 'being COMPLETELY convinced' of MANY 'things', which ARE Truly ILLOGICAL, Truly ABSURD, Truly NONSENSICAL, and Truly LUDICROUS. BUT, 'each to their own', as some might say.
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:50 am However, in a world of more than one person (ie Real Life), a second individual going through the identical process but coming up with the opposite conclusion, say Y, means there isn't a single answer.
Now, are 'you' PREPARED to DELVE INTO THIS CLAIM of 'yours' here FURTHER "luckyr"?

If yes, then GREAT.

But if no, then WHY NOT?

See, if absolutely ANY two people go through the IDENTICAL PROCESS, FULLY, then 'they' go NOT come to DIFFERENT 'conclusions', let alone OPPOSING 'conclusions', as you CLAIM here.
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:50 am So you or I being absolutely convinced is meaningless to everyone who is not you or I. ie it's personal (that is: subjective).
Just so you become FULLY AWARE I can NOT 'be completely convinced' of absolutely ANY 'thing' that NOT absolutely EVERY one could AGREE WITH and ACCEPT.

I REALLY HOPE that 'this' REGISTERS with you.
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:50 am BTW when asking blustery questions, it would be intellectually honest to provide your own answers first.
By the way, I can NOT provide ANY answer to 'the following question' of mine, first, other than, 'I do NOT KNOW', BECAUSE I DO NOT YET KNOW. But, then again, 'this question' of mine, which is about to come, might NOT be a so-called 'blustery question' anyway. And, if 'it' is NOT, then do NOT worry about my own answer, which I provided FIRST here.

Did you ALREADY CLARIFY what a so-called 'bluster question' IS, EXACTLY?
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Re: what should be the focus of existence....

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Just so you know, obsessively repeating the same thing (even in ALL CAPS) doesn't change opinion into fact. And my only point isn't that there's anything necessarily wrong with your opinion (that you haven't gone into detail about), just that it's an opinion.

Though to be honest, I don't think I'm your audience, since you're using a conversational technique not suited to convincing others, rather in making oneself feel better.

So, you keep doing you.
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LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:29 pm Just so you know, obsessively repeating the same thing (even in ALL CAPS) doesn't change opinion into fact.

Though to be honest, I don't think I'm your audience, since you're using a conversational technique not suited to convincing others, rather in making oneself feel better.

So, you keep doing you.
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seeds wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:47 pm
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:29 pm Just so you know, obsessively repeating the same thing (even in ALL CAPS) doesn't change opinion into fact.

Though to be honest, I don't think I'm your audience, since you're using a conversational technique not suited to convincing others, rather in making oneself feel better.

So, you keep doing you.
It usually doesn't take long for one to discover that embarking on a conversational journey with Age involves a decision that is metaphorically represented by the following image...

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Hence my second paragraph. Nailing jello to the wall is neither fun for you nor the jello.
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:22 pm let us have another look at something that I have been wondering about...

matter and soul... and its effects on us, as both human beings
and as American's.....
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A philosophy east or west is a view of life, but living day-to-day is more about the proper personal use of body energy. The focus of existence should be the impeccable, efficient use of energy, and this becomes more obvious when one faces new limitations.

Perpetual awareness of the elements that comprise the body and the environment, keeps awareness attentive to the non-conceptual (non-dual), which generates the equanimity that eventually unbinds emotion from energy. That freed energy fuels the spontaneous and effortlessly sustained perpetual awareness of earth, wind, fire, water and space, i.e., objective reality.

At first, perpetual awareness can be exhausting because the monkey mind, under conditions such as losing everything and living in a tent on the sidewalk, can become so agitated that it needs to be dulled with drugs and drink.

The monkey mind uses energy to distract, worry, plan, procrastinate, speculate and weave delusions; but after perpetual awareness of ever-present elements becomes second nature then the monkey-mind takes a nap, and the energy that sustained its activity cycles back into awareness, which expands and liberates the energy to sort out mind kerfluffels.

Thought thus transforms from tyrant to servant, putting awareness back on the throne where you belong.
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:57 am
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:22 pm let us have another look at something that I have been wondering about...

matter and soul... and its effects on us, as both human beings
and as American's.....
I much prefer Rock & Roll, especailly the progressive kind. Soul is a bit whimpy, and girly

FOr example. Budgie. Not the best looking trio in the world, but they and a handful of other British bands invented Hard Rock/ Heavy Metal..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54H3EUAzpVg
Shirley, there must be exceptions found when working with raw materials.

Marvin Gaye, Soulman
Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Ykv1D0qEE

Marvin would really be hollering now that many more folks are living in the big cities and border towns, free and without the limitations of solid walls, now that illegal is legal.

Duality: Home is where the heart is.
Non-duality: Home is where the hat hangs.
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LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:49 pm Nailing jello to the wall is neither fun for you nor the jello.
Nailing Biden with twenty miles of border wall is mucho fun.
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Re: what should be the focus of existence....

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Walker wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:31 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:57 am
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:22 pm let us have another look at something that I have been wondering about...

matter and soul... and its effects on us, as both human beings
and as American's.....
I much prefer Rock & Roll, especailly the progressive kind. Soul is a bit whimpy, and girly

FOr example. Budgie. Not the best looking trio in the world, but they and a handful of other British bands invented Hard Rock/ Heavy Metal..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54H3EUAzpVg
Shirley, there must be exceptions found when working with raw materials.

Marvin Gaye, Soulman
Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Ykv1D0qEE

Marvin would really be hollering now that many more folks are living in the big cities and border towns, free and without the limitations of solid walls, now that illegal is legal.

Duality: Home is where the heart is.
Non-duality: Home is where the hat hangs.
QED : Soul is for whimpy girls
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Re: what should be the focus of existence....

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Walker wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:34 pm
LuckyR wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:49 pm Nailing jello to the wall is neither fun for you nor the jello.
Nailing Biden with twenty miles of border wall is mucho fun.
In the Post Truth era, it's about exciting your constituants with what they want to hear, not converting the undecided with logical argument.
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