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Re: What do you mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:30 pm
Harbal wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:07 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:50 pm Oh, sure. In my experience with Age however, which was mainly a while back, I don't think one would ever get to the actual conversation. There'd be a chasing after the meaning of the words in the first sentence, to the words of the explanations of those words, to the words of those those secondary words......and on and on.
I was talking about communication with people in general; communicating with Age is a whole different ball game. 🙂
I did understand. I think what I was getting at was that there was irony involved, however right he might be in the abstract. I think he overestimates how much of the world's suffering would be eradicated (and/or could be) through incredibly long conversations about what we mean.
Of course seeking out and gaining absolute clarity over absolutely every thing one says or writes would be a Truly long conversation. However, if and when people start to realize and see that it is there OWN, 'current', way of thinking, looking at, and seeing 'things' WHY there is so much confusion and misunderstanding in 'the world', then they could, and would, become far MORE OPEN. Which then is what leads to and gaining True and FULL 'understanding', itself.

Which becomes shorter and quicker, exponentially.
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:30 pm But yes, much communication could be improved with some care about what we are saying.
Why only 'some' care?

Why not take 'full' care?
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Re: What do you mean?

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Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:30 pm the context, both interpersonally and in terms of the surrounding words, all affect the meaning. It's not really the case that individual words have some kind of fixed meaning. They function as parts of a whole, between people, and the other parts of the whole and the people invovled all very strongly affect the meaning.
Yes... this is why it's difficult for people who are rigidly fixated on words to understand what is actually meant. Communication is an art... and, like art, one can't see the broader picture if they're obsessed with a single element of a painting.

Further, it can be challenging if one is trying to describe/explore ideas beyond general limits/meanings of language and experience... such as some of us might naturally do on a philosophy forum.
Harbal wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:49 pmAnd I have found on forums that people tend to interpret what you say in accordance with their preconceptions about what your opinions are.
True! Such as how some might distort what I say because they've falsely pigeon-holed me as a tree-hugging, crystal-wearing, liberal female hippy. :lol:
Is there absolutely anyone here who has not been what is referred to as 'pigeon-holed' in some way or another by "others" in this forum?

If yes, then 'who' is 'that', exactly?

Preconceived ideas/views exist within all adult human bodies. Being able to look at and see 'the world', again, NOT FROM those preconceived views/ideas is 'art form' in itself, which like a lot of 'things' just takes some learning, and a lot of practice.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm Yes... this is why it's difficult for people who are rigidly fixated on words to understand what is actually meant. Communication is an art... and, like art, one can't see the broader picture if they're obsessed with a single element of a painting.
Yes. Of course, it can be useful to check in on what someone means by a word.
Further, it can be challenging if one is trying to describe/explore ideas beyond general limits/meanings of language and experience... such as some of us might naturally do on a philosophy forum.
Yes. If one is writing something that either does challenge the more usual ideas of ontology - like 'in the days when this was written' - one can generally assume that it may take a while for others to 'catch up' and understand what you mean. I mean, it might be a good idea to explain such unique language, especially if one thinks one has the secret to solving human problems, but it might not be at the word level. Of course, some people may not realize they are being enigmatic.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:53 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm Yes... this is why it's difficult for people who are rigidly fixated on words to understand what is actually meant. Communication is an art... and, like art, one can't see the broader picture if they're obsessed with a single element of a painting.
Yes. Of course, it can be useful to check in on what someone means by a word.
Further, it can be challenging if one is trying to describe/explore ideas beyond general limits/meanings of language and experience... such as some of us might naturally do on a philosophy forum.
Yes. If one is writing something that either does challenge the more usual ideas of ontology - like 'in the days when this was written' - one can generally assume that it may take a while for others to 'catch up' and understand what you mean. I mean, it might be a good idea to explain such unique language, especially if one thinks one has the secret to solving human problems, but it might not be at the word level. Of course, some people may not realize they are being enigmatic.
I could ask, 'What do you mean by 'enigmatic'?' here, but I would only be wasting 'my time and energy', as some might call 'it', as this one is another one who does not even want to read nor listen to what I have to say, write, and query about.

Also, and by the way, I have repeatedly said and stated that by just being truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to change, for the better, then ALL of the human created 'problems' can be and will be solved, and almost immediately as well. I am not sure if 'this' is mysterious, hard to interpret, and/or difficult to understand or not. But I will, once more, suggest that if absolutely one does not understand this idea/concept in any way, shape, or form, then just asking clarifying questions will, maybe quickly, speed the process in interpreting and understanding here fully.

Furthermore, if any one sees or believes that "another one" does not yet realize that they are being so-called 'enigmatic', then could it be helpful in any way at all to just inform them of 'this' and make 'it' known?

And another thing, how would one know if they have an 'unique language' or not if "others" are never asking clarifying questions? If "others" are showing absolutely no interest at all in what one is saying or writing, then it might be perceived that 'the language' is being heard, and understood.

The so imagined 'secret' to solving all human problems, when realized at the aha or eureka, moment comes with another 'aha' and eureka moment of, 'I always KNEW 'this'. So, it is NOT the case that the solution to solving all human being created problems was a so-called 'secret' nor 'mystery', the fact is that the solution was always already KNOWN, unconsciously, and had just never consciously known, previously.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:34 am3. All of the human created 'problems', in 'the world', can be, and are, solved, very quickly, very easily, and very simply, through better communication.
Some of it can be, but it's by far not enough. See this is the delusion you are malignantly pushing onto other people.
I will provide an example, when the word 'problem' is defined in a particular or specific way, and that word is looked at and seen from that perspective, then solving all 'problems' just becomes significantly and exponentially simpler, quicker, and easier.
And is that "specific way" correct or just part of your delusions?
3. Claiming that 'the world' is 'inherently broken' is blaming 'the world', itself. Which, obviously, did NOT become the way it is without adult human being intervention.
That's just your delusion, but the world has never been inherently good. All humans so far have been born into a world that was never inherently good.

Stop victim blaming other people who suffer just like you do, and it's only partially their fault. Such victim blaming is malignant and disgusting. And don't pose yourself as better than others, anyone can come up with an utopia and adopt a fake moral high horse stance based on it. Nothing is easier than that but it's not real.

And if we really, absolutely want to give people false hope, then there are much better ways to do it than this communication nonsense. Almost everyone can see right through this one.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:53 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm Yes... this is why it's difficult for people who are rigidly fixated on words to understand what is actually meant. Communication is an art... and, like art, one can't see the broader picture if they're obsessed with a single element of a painting.
Yes. Of course, it can be useful to check in on what someone means by a word.
Further, it can be challenging if one is trying to describe/explore ideas beyond general limits/meanings of language and experience... such as some of us might naturally do on a philosophy forum.
Yes. If one is writing something that either does challenge the more usual ideas of ontology - like 'in the days when this was written' - one can generally assume that it may take a while for others to 'catch up' and understand what you mean. I mean, it might be a good idea to explain such unique language, especially if one thinks one has the secret to solving human problems, but it might not be at the word level. Of course, some people may not realize they are being enigmatic.
But looks like here the issues run even much deeper, as in Age's world people don't exist, and she/he is not a person either. When we look at some of the words in your comment: "someone", "one", "others", "you", "some people", fundamentally these are all nonsensical gibberish to Age. Looks like Age never developed the theory of mind, which is tragic but also somewhat fascinating. To Age, this is all happening in some kind of shared mental space Age is experiencing without any individual actors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

And there Age is trying to make the "others" see the truth, but that truth is also a colossal delusion. In fact it's so dumb that it doesn't even register with most people, so Age has to say it 1 million times, and is bewildered why that still has no effect.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:34 am3. All of the human created 'problems', in 'the world', can be, and are, solved, very quickly, very easily, and very simply, through better communication.
Some of it can be, but it's by far not enough. See this is the delusion you are malignantly pushing onto other people.
Yes, psychopaths are not suddenly going to have empathy, for example.
3. Claiming that 'the world' is 'inherently broken' is blaming 'the world', itself. Which, obviously, did NOT become the way it is without adult human being intervention.
That's just your delusion, but the world has never been inherently good. All humans so far have been born into a world that was never inherently good.
There are certainly problems that humans did not create. Congenital diseases, natural disasters, etc.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:34 am3. All of the human created 'problems', in 'the world', can be, and are, solved, very quickly, very easily, and very simply, through better communication.
Some of it can be, but it's by far not enough.
Name one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through 'better communication'?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am See this is the delusion you are malignantly pushing onto other people.
This BELIEF here is the way people REALLY DID view and see 'things', back in those 'olden days'.

They REALLY DID BELIEVE that what they have lived through was 'really' the ONLY WAY 'things' could EVER be, FOR absolutely EVER MORE.

They REALLY DID look at and see 'things' from the most narrowest and even CLOSED perspectives.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am
I will provide an example, when the word 'problem' is defined in a particular or specific way, and that word is looked at and seen from that perspective, then solving all 'problems' just becomes significantly and exponentially simpler, quicker, and easier.
And is that "specific way" correct or just part of your delusions?
That 'specific way' is in A WAY that absolutely EVERY one could AGREE WITH and ACCEPT.

Therefore, that 'specific way' is in a way, which can be referred to as a 'universal way', and thus a Truly Correct way, as well.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am
3. Claiming that 'the world' is 'inherently broken' is blaming 'the world', itself. Which, obviously, did NOT become the way it is without adult human being intervention.
That's just your delusion,
So, you are here 'trying to' CLAIM that 'the world' in which 'you', human beings, are living did come about WITHOUT adult human being intervention.

Which, OBVIOUSLY, some say is PURE DELUSION thinking.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am but the world has never been inherently good.
But 'the world' has ONLY been IN Existence, SINCE 'you', human beings, evolved into Existence.

See, what we have here is a PRIME and PERFECT example of HOW and WHEN two or more people talk ABOUT some 'thing', but NEVER ASK, 'What do you mean?'

So, what do actually 'you' MEAN, "atla", when 'you' SAY and USE the words 'the world'?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am All humans so far have been born into a world that was never inherently good.
Could 'this' be 'delusional'?

Or, do 'you' NEVER have ANY 'delusional thinking' within 'that head'?

By the way, to me 'the world' can NEVER be 'good' NOR 'bad'. ONLY 'you', adult human beings, can do 'good' or 'bad' 'things'.

But 'you' are NOT YET READY for 'this' "atla" BECAUSE 'you' BELIEVE, absolutely and wholeheartedly, that 'the world' has NEVER EVER been 'inherently good'.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am Stop victim blaming other people who suffer just like you do,
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL

I do NOT 'suffer'.

BUT, considering the FACT that 'you' CLAIM that I DO 'suffer', INFORM us of HOW I, supposedly, 'suffer', AND, WHAT I, supposedly, 'suffer' FROM, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am and it's only partially their fault.
'What' is only partially their fault? And,

'who' are 'they', exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am Such victim blaming is malignant and disgusting.
Such IMAGINED thinking that there is ANY so-called 'victim blaming' is the result of APE-thinking.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am And don't pose yourself as better than others,
I NEVER HAVE.

Such IMAGINED thinking that I AM is another result, and more PROOF, of APE-thinking.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am anyone can come up with an utopia and adopt a fake moral high horse stance based on it.
Can they?

'you' CLAIM they can, so let us SEE 'you' DO 'it' "atla"?

Also, the ONLY REAL 'Utopia' is the one EVERY can AGREE WITH and ACCEPT, and this is the ONLY One that I have been talking ABOUT and referring TO here.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am Nothing is easier than that but it's not real.
So, now you CLAIM that coming up with AN 'utopia' and adopting a fake moral high horse stance based on 'that utopia' ANY one can do, you ALSO CLAIM that there is absolutely NOTHING 'easier' than doing 'that'. Now I am FAR MORE excited to SEE 'you' do 'this' "atla". But like ALWAYS 'you' NEVER will.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am And if we really, absolutely want to give people false hope, then there are much better ways to do it than this communication nonsense.
Yes you are RIGHT here "atla", communicating better with one another will NEVER make 'life' and 'the world' a better place, and to just suggest that learning how to communicate better with one another, and thus learning how to communicating more peacefully and in way that makes it is easier and simpler for absolutely every one to 'understand' all things better was a Truly FOOLISH and STUPID 'thing' to imagine.

I can see now that I was just providing FALSE HOPE to people. 'This' is RIGHT, and what you WANT TO HEAR and SEE, correct "atla"?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am Almost everyone can see right through this one.
Okay if you SAY and BELIEVE SO.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 4:53 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm Yes... this is why it's difficult for people who are rigidly fixated on words to understand what is actually meant. Communication is an art... and, like art, one can't see the broader picture if they're obsessed with a single element of a painting.
Yes. Of course, it can be useful to check in on what someone means by a word.
Further, it can be challenging if one is trying to describe/explore ideas beyond general limits/meanings of language and experience... such as some of us might naturally do on a philosophy forum.
Yes. If one is writing something that either does challenge the more usual ideas of ontology - like 'in the days when this was written' - one can generally assume that it may take a while for others to 'catch up' and understand what you mean. I mean, it might be a good idea to explain such unique language, especially if one thinks one has the secret to solving human problems, but it might not be at the word level. Of course, some people may not realize they are being enigmatic.
But looks like here the issues run even much deeper, as in Age's world people don't exist, and she/he is not a person either.
LOL 'you' come up with some of the craziest and silliest presumptions and views "atla".

I have NEVER even IMAGINED people do not exist, let alone said or written absolutely anywhere any thing close to this claim of yours.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am When we look at some of the words in your comment: "someone", "one", "others", "you", "some people", fundamentally these are all nonsensical gibberish to Age.
What are you on about here "atla"?

WHERE do you get these most Truly ABSURD, NONSENSICAL, and RIDICULOUS views FROM, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am Looks like Age never developed the theory of mind,
Are you suggesting here that ALL human beings 'develop' and/or 'developed' some so-called 'theory or mind'?

What do you actually mean by 'developed the theory of mind'?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am which is tragic but also somewhat fascinating. To Age, this is all happening in some kind of shared mental space Age is experiencing without any individual actors.
Again, some of the views that 'you' have ascertained, in regards to 'me', are Truly AMAZING, and SPECTACULAR. Especially considering what the ACTUAL Truth IS, exactly.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

And there Age is trying to make the "others" see the truth,
How, exactly, does providing a link to some so-called 'theory of mind' then lead to you CONCLUDING 'and there "age" is trying to make the "others" see the truth'?

By the way, 'you', adult human beings are yet to even come close to agreeing upon what 'mind' even is, exactly, let alone some 'theory of' reflecting any REAL Truth, in Life.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am but that truth is also a colossal delusion.
WHAT, supposed, 'truth' are you even referring to here, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:56 am In fact it's so dumb that it doesn't even register with most people, so Age has to say it 1 million times, and is bewildered why that still has no effect.
Most people do not even know what you are referring to with, and by, the word 'it' here.

And, you will NOT even CLARIFY neither.

What is, supposedly, 'so dumb' and, supposedly, 'does not even register with most people'?
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Re: What do you mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:23 am
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:43 am
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 3:34 am3. All of the human created 'problems', in 'the world', can be, and are, solved, very quickly, very easily, and very simply, through better communication.
Some of it can be, but it's by far not enough. See this is the delusion you are malignantly pushing onto other people.
Yes, psychopaths are not suddenly going to have empathy, for example.
Seeing and/or believing that "psychopaths" actually exist is what CAUSES part of THE 'problems', in Life, which ALL OF CAN, and WILL, BE SOLVED.

By the way, what is the ACTUAL 'problem', which 'you' are implying there is one of here "iwannaplato"?

Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:23 am
3. Claiming that 'the world' is 'inherently broken' is blaming 'the world', itself. Which, obviously, did NOT become the way it is without adult human being intervention.
That's just your delusion, but the world has never been inherently good. All humans so far have been born into a world that was never inherently good.
There are certainly problems that humans did not create. Congenital diseases, natural disasters, etc.
LOL
LOL
LOL

Talk about DELUSIONS, or DELUSIONAL THINKING.

IMAGINING that these two 'things' are 'problems' is HILARIOUS, and, in relation to the GUTOE, IS ABSOLUTELY DELUSIONAL.

By the way, how do 'you' two here define the word 'problem'?
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Re: What do you mean?

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Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:55 amName one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through 'better communication'?
...
Not just most of the problems presented by the natural world, and many of the mental health problems and non-mental diseases.
But even many of the problems between otherwise healthy humans can't be solved. People know how to communicate "I want to use/exploit/dominate/oppress/hurt/kill you" etc. just fine.
And some cultural differences, religious differences etc.
And many of the problems caused by different intelligence levels, different personality types etc.
This is all obvious and your magical thinking won't just suddenly change it.

Even if at some point in the future, we will have eliminated most problems, better communication won't be the main cause of that progress, instead it will be better technology.

Most people can already communicate with each other well enough, it's you who is almost completely unable to join in.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:55 amName one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through 'better communication'?
...
Not just most of the problems presented by the natural world,
But the 'non human world' has NEVER and can NEVER present A 'problem'.

And, by the way, the way you write here implies that there is a 'natural world' and a 'non natural world', which anyone ALREADY KNOWING the Truth KNOWS that there is NO such 'thing'.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am and many of the mental health problems and non-mental diseases.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN here AGAIN, NO ACTUAL CLARITY gets provided BY 'you', "atla".

I will say it AGAIN, 'Name one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through better communication'.

In other words here, What is ONE supposed and alleged 'mental health problem' here.

Also, and obviously, 'non-mental diseases' are NOT 'problems'.

Do you even KNOW what A 'problem' IS, exactly?

If yes, then what IS A 'problem', to you, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am But even many of the problems between otherwise healthy humans can't be solved.
INSTEAD OF IMPLYING that there ARE A MULTITUDE OF 'problems', I would LOVE TO SEE if you could NAME JUST ONE ACTUAL 'problem', which you BELIEVE could NOT BE SOLVED through and/or by 'communication', itself.

Are you even CAPABLE of UNDERSTANDING what I AM ASKING FROM 'you' here "atla"?

If yes, then SHOW that you ARE UNDERSTANDING.

Also, what is A, or ONE, SUPPOSED and ALLEGED 'problem' between so-called 'otherwise human beings', which, SUPPOSEDLY, can NEVER be solved, FOREVER MORE.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am People know how to communicate "I want to use/exploit/dominate/oppress/hurt/kill you" etc. just fine.
So, are 'you' 'trying to' imply that communication can NOT be IMPROVED UPON and become BETTER "atla"?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am And some cultural differences, religious differences etc.
And many of the problems caused by different intelligence levels, different personality types etc.
This is all obvious and your magical thinking won't just suddenly change it.
How would you even KNOW?

you are SO FAR FROM even just BEGINNING TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and KNOWING what my ACTUAL views and ideas ARE here you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue IF my thinking could CHANGE 'things' here or not.

you are SO FAR BEHIND here "atla" you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue to what I even MEAN with and by the word 'problem'.

AND, you have so far FAILED TO explain what view is of what the 'problem' word even MEANS, to you.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Even if at some point in the future, we will have eliminated most problems, better communication won't be the main cause of that progress, instead it will be better technology.
LOL
LOL
LOL

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then so be it.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Most people can already communicate with each other well enough,
'Well enough' in regards to 'what', exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am it's you who is almost completely unable to join in.
Have you NOT SEEN WHERE I have WRITTEN that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH 'you', human beings, BETTER?

If not, then now you HAVE.

AND, just so 'you' ALSO can COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND I do 'this' BECAUSE I ALREADY KNEW that I am ALMOST COMPLETELY UNABLE TO join in WITH 'your' human communication style.

Which, by the way, gauging from 'you', human beings, are SHOWING and REVEALING here, in this forum, I STILL have NO want to join in WITH that 'style' of 'communicating'.

Just LOOK AT 'the world' and the 'life' that 'you', adult human beings, HAD created, in the days when this was being written, through 'your' LACK OF 'understanding'. I have NO intention of joining in with that MESS.
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Re: What do you mean?

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Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:16 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:55 amName one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through 'better communication'?
...
Not just most of the problems presented by the natural world,
But the 'non human world' has NEVER and can NEVER present A 'problem'.

And, by the way, the way you write here implies that there is a 'natural world' and a 'non natural world', which anyone ALREADY KNOWING the Truth KNOWS that there is NO such 'thing'.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am and many of the mental health problems and non-mental diseases.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN here AGAIN, NO ACTUAL CLARITY gets provided BY 'you', "atla".

I will say it AGAIN, 'Name one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through better communication'.

In other words here, What is ONE supposed and alleged 'mental health problem' here.

Also, and obviously, 'non-mental diseases' are NOT 'problems'.

Do you even KNOW what A 'problem' IS, exactly?

If yes, then what IS A 'problem', to you, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am But even many of the problems between otherwise healthy humans can't be solved.
INSTEAD OF IMPLYING that there ARE A MULTITUDE OF 'problems', I would LOVE TO SEE if you could NAME JUST ONE ACTUAL 'problem', which you BELIEVE could NOT BE SOLVED through and/or by 'communication', itself.

Are you even CAPABLE of UNDERSTANDING what I AM ASKING FROM 'you' here "atla"?

If yes, then SHOW that you ARE UNDERSTANDING.

Also, what is A, or ONE, SUPPOSED and ALLEGED 'problem' between so-called 'otherwise human beings', which, SUPPOSEDLY, can NEVER be solved, FOREVER MORE.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am People know how to communicate "I want to use/exploit/dominate/oppress/hurt/kill you" etc. just fine.
So, are 'you' 'trying to' imply that communication can NOT be IMPROVED UPON and become BETTER "atla"?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am And some cultural differences, religious differences etc.
And many of the problems caused by different intelligence levels, different personality types etc.
This is all obvious and your magical thinking won't just suddenly change it.
How would you even KNOW?

you are SO FAR FROM even just BEGINNING TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and KNOWING what my ACTUAL views and ideas ARE here you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue IF my thinking could CHANGE 'things' here or not.

you are SO FAR BEHIND here "atla" you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue to what I even MEAN with and by the word 'problem'.

AND, you have so far FAILED TO explain what view is of what the 'problem' word even MEANS, to you.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Even if at some point in the future, we will have eliminated most problems, better communication won't be the main cause of that progress, instead it will be better technology.
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Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then so be it.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Most people can already communicate with each other well enough,
'Well enough' in regards to 'what', exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am it's you who is almost completely unable to join in.
Have you NOT SEEN WHERE I have WRITTEN that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH 'you', human beings, BETTER?

If not, then now you HAVE.

AND, just so 'you' ALSO can COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND I do 'this' BECAUSE I ALREADY KNEW that I am ALMOST COMPLETELY UNABLE TO join in WITH 'your' human communication style.

Which, by the way, gauging from 'you', human beings, are SHOWING and REVEALING here, in this forum, I STILL have NO want to join in WITH that 'style' of 'communicating'.

Just LOOK AT 'the world' and the 'life' that 'you', adult human beings, HAD created, in the days when this was being written, through 'your' LACK OF 'understanding'. I have NO intention of joining in with that MESS.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... sh/problem

I could list at least hundreds of examples that communication alone can't solve. So it was enough to list some categories, and I may have left out some more categories.

If by problems you don't mean problems but something else, then maybe you should explain what you mean. Have you tried communicating better?
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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm
Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:16 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am
Not just most of the problems presented by the natural world,
But the 'non human world' has NEVER and can NEVER present A 'problem'.

And, by the way, the way you write here implies that there is a 'natural world' and a 'non natural world', which anyone ALREADY KNOWING the Truth KNOWS that there is NO such 'thing'.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am and many of the mental health problems and non-mental diseases.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN here AGAIN, NO ACTUAL CLARITY gets provided BY 'you', "atla".

I will say it AGAIN, 'Name one 'problem' that you think or believe can NEVER be solved through better communication'.

In other words here, What is ONE supposed and alleged 'mental health problem' here.

Also, and obviously, 'non-mental diseases' are NOT 'problems'.

Do you even KNOW what A 'problem' IS, exactly?

If yes, then what IS A 'problem', to you, exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am But even many of the problems between otherwise healthy humans can't be solved.
INSTEAD OF IMPLYING that there ARE A MULTITUDE OF 'problems', I would LOVE TO SEE if you could NAME JUST ONE ACTUAL 'problem', which you BELIEVE could NOT BE SOLVED through and/or by 'communication', itself.

Are you even CAPABLE of UNDERSTANDING what I AM ASKING FROM 'you' here "atla"?

If yes, then SHOW that you ARE UNDERSTANDING.

Also, what is A, or ONE, SUPPOSED and ALLEGED 'problem' between so-called 'otherwise human beings', which, SUPPOSEDLY, can NEVER be solved, FOREVER MORE.

Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am People know how to communicate "I want to use/exploit/dominate/oppress/hurt/kill you" etc. just fine.
So, are 'you' 'trying to' imply that communication can NOT be IMPROVED UPON and become BETTER "atla"?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am And some cultural differences, religious differences etc.
And many of the problems caused by different intelligence levels, different personality types etc.
This is all obvious and your magical thinking won't just suddenly change it.
How would you even KNOW?

you are SO FAR FROM even just BEGINNING TO LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and KNOWING what my ACTUAL views and ideas ARE here you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue IF my thinking could CHANGE 'things' here or not.

you are SO FAR BEHIND here "atla" you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea NOR clue to what I even MEAN with and by the word 'problem'.

AND, you have so far FAILED TO explain what view is of what the 'problem' word even MEANS, to you.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Even if at some point in the future, we will have eliminated most problems, better communication won't be the main cause of that progress, instead it will be better technology.
LOL
LOL
LOL

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, then so be it.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am Most people can already communicate with each other well enough,
'Well enough' in regards to 'what', exactly?
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 11:31 am it's you who is almost completely unable to join in.
Have you NOT SEEN WHERE I have WRITTEN that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH 'you', human beings, BETTER?

If not, then now you HAVE.

AND, just so 'you' ALSO can COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND I do 'this' BECAUSE I ALREADY KNEW that I am ALMOST COMPLETELY UNABLE TO join in WITH 'your' human communication style.

Which, by the way, gauging from 'you', human beings, are SHOWING and REVEALING here, in this forum, I STILL have NO want to join in WITH that 'style' of 'communicating'.

Just LOOK AT 'the world' and the 'life' that 'you', adult human beings, HAD created, in the days when this was being written, through 'your' LACK OF 'understanding'. I have NO intention of joining in with that MESS.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... sh/problem

I could list at least hundreds of examples that communication alone can't solve.
YET, I only asked for ONE and you have so far FAILED completely and utterly to provide ONE.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm So it was enough to list some categories, and I may have left out some more categories.

If by problems you don't mean problems but something else, then maybe you should explain what you mean.
If you even begun to ASSUME such a Truly ABSURD idea, then maybe you NEED to RECONSIDER the way you ASSUME 'things' here.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm Have you tried communicating better?
With who?

Oh, and by the way, what do 'you' actually MEAN by, and with the use of, the word 'problem'?
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Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:35 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... sh/problem

I could list at least hundreds of examples that communication alone can't solve.
YET, I only asked for ONE and you have so far FAILED completely and utterly to provide ONE.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm So it was enough to list some categories, and I may have left out some more categories.

If by problems you don't mean problems but something else, then maybe you should explain what you mean.
If you even begun to ASSUME such a Truly ABSURD idea, then maybe you NEED to RECONSIDER the way you ASSUME 'things' here.
Atla wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:25 pm Have you tried communicating better?
With who?

Oh, and by the way, what do 'you' actually MEAN by, and with the use of, the word 'problem'?
I just linked a definiton of the word, which you should be familiar with anyway. How hypocritical of you that you accuse us of not trying to communicate better, when you're the one who doesn't want to.

So how should I make an example of what you call a problem, when you refuse to tell how you have redefined the word?
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