NEWS FLASH FROM THE SCIENCE DEPARTMENT OF EARTH

[Atla]

Can you really not see how stupid is really is to just say or state, 'It's what the biological neural network in your head is like from the internal perspective'?

What does the 'it' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

The mind.
Nothing stupid here so far, only your comment.

LOL 'is probably'.

Once again, as I claimed "atla" will show and prove to us that "atla" is completely incapable of explaining what the mind is, EXACTLY.

I just did. We already completely disagree so no point in going into more detail.

Oh, so it is "atla" who KNOWS what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, right "atla".

Well at least probably 10 times better than you.

LOL so, to "atla", 'mental and material' are PROBABLY of one and the same nature, OR MAYBE NOT.

Well done "atla" for "clearing 'this' up", for us.

You have it backwards: your certainty is merely a symptom of your low intelligence. Being certain of something unlikely such as duality, is a further symptom of your low intelligence.

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1. I suggest seeking out and gaining actual clarity before you just make an assumption, as you are doing here once more. See what you 'remember' here might be completely and utterly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, right?

2. I am not sure how many times I need to inform you that I have NO belief in any such thing before you can understand and fathom this FACT.

3. What you perceive is 'my problem' might in fact be 'your problem', alone.

Your random nonsense isn't as important as you think, that people will die to have it clarified by you in extreme detail.

Again, we can see here, very clearly and very obviously, the attempts at deceit and deception, which commonly occurred in the days when this was being written.

What are you asking about here?

What do you not understand in what I have said and written here "atla"?

It's clear that the deceit and deception is on your part, as always.

[Age]

Are you at all familiar with the emotional anger and fear that drives the thinking of so many men?

Why do you people, in the days when this is being written, think and believe that there really is a difference between 'men' and 'women' in regards to what you are talking about here?

Really why do 'you', people, think you have learned to look at and see 'men' and 'women' are different mentally and emotionally?

Perhaps you don't make any sense to those people who don't have 'autism'? Has that not occurred to you?

I do not know of a human being who is mentally perfect, so every human being I know of has autism is some form or another on the 'spectrum'.

This is what has occurred to me. What has also occurred to me is that what does make sense to one, like for example that really the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, may not make sense to another, or even make sense to everyone else, at first. As was the case at one particular moment in human history.

See, what makes sense to one or some and not to others is just perfectly normal, as well as being truly acceptable and understandable. So, this is what has also occurred to me. For example, how living in Peace and Harmony makes perfect sense to me I know, and accept, the people in the days when this is being written will not make sense to them. But then again I know exactly why those people had not yet learned this FACT.

That perhaps your 'syndrome' is warping your view of reality?

Maybe. But we will never know until 'my view' is looked at, into, and discussed.

Would you like to look at, look into, and/or discuss any of 'my views'?

[Age]

Must have hit a nerve-- hence the steadfast determination to ignore.

Who are you referring to here, and in relation to what, exactly?

Well, 'Age the bot', all humans have certain 'quirks' in their personality.

What is the certain 'quirk' in your own 'personality' "vegetariantaxidermy"?

When these 'quirks' are disproportionate to the rest of the personality and severely compromise that human's ability to function adequately around other humans, then they fall into the realm of 'mental illness'.

Is there a human being without 'quirks' that are not so-called disproportionate to the rest of the 'personality'?

Can 'you', human beings, fall into the realm of 'mental illness' without just the claim of only when so-called 'quirks' are disproportionate to the rest of the personality, for example could there be other reasons why 'you', human beings, fall into the realm of 'mental illness'?

Also, what is 'function adequately around other humans' based on, exactly? And does 'this' change as human beings evolve over time? For example, could how human beings supposedly 'function adequately' 'now', in the days when this is being written, not be a real form of 'functioning adequately' when 'you', human beings, have evolved into living in Peace and Harmony with one another?

[Age]

That's fine. Then we shall leave the question hanging...

So how are you coping with the dismissive attitude you've unified into your character?

How are 'you' coping with the dismissive attitude you have unified into your character, "skepdick"?

How are you coping with having to constantly ignore me, age?

What do you mean? I do not recall ever ignoring 'you', "skepdick", let alone somehow supposedly 'having' to constantly ignore you.

Not very well, I see. Please start coping with it better.

Is this another example of the form of attempting to 'manipulate' and of the form to attempt to be 'aggressive' over "another" "skepdick"?

Are 'you' 'trying' here to TELL 'me' that I HAVE TO ignore 'you'?

If yes, then 'you' are not doing a very good job at all.

Do we now leave the question hanging ...

How are 'you' coping with the dismissive attitude you have unified into your character, "skepdick"?

[Age]

This creature actually thinks that people don't have their own minds,

But 'I', the creature, do not think this at all.

I KNOW 'you', people, do not have your own minds.

I also KNOW that 'this' goes against the popular belief in the days when this is being written. Just like the fact that the earth revolved around the sun went against the popular belief, in the days when 'that' was purported.

and is perfectly convinced that it's others who don't know what they are talking about.

This part is true. But then this is because I KNOW what the actual Truth here is, exactly.

That's just so absurd that it breaks the absurd-o-meter.

Now we KNOW what "atla" believes here.

Saying this here would be exactly like what the ones who believed that the sun revolved around the earth would have said about any one who said the opposite.

[Age]

Sad. Your attempts at being human are depressing at best. I'm afraid you will never be human, AI Age, even at the lowest level.

So, here we have another one who makes an assumption, jumps to a conclusion, believes is new conclusion is absolutely true, and then proceeds on from there, looking at and seeing 'things' from this newly formed, believed conclusion.

Also, and by the way, where and when in that quoted reply did I ever even attempt at being human?

What I was actually referring to in that quoted reply of mine, which you added here for us to look at and see, is pretty well self-explanatory. But if absolutely any one would like any further explanation, clarity, or proof, then just let me know and I will be more than willing to clarify.

The 'conclusions' of actual humans are all that count. We don't have to justify them to anyone.

When 'they' do to me, that is; if they want to be listened to, heard, and accepted.

However, you are exactly right here in that human beings can 'concluded' absolutely any thing they like, but again, if they want 'their own conclusions' to be listened to, heard, and accepted by "others", then surely they have to be able to 'justify' 'their position/s or conclusion/s, right?

[Age]

Can you really not see how stupid is really is to just say or state, 'It's what the biological neural network in your head is like from the internal perspective'?

What does the 'it' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

The mind.
Nothing stupid here so far, only your comment.

What 'comment'? I just asked a question, for clarity.

Also, you are just reconfirming my claim here when you claim that the mind is what the neural network in your head is like from the internal perspective.

Oh, and by the way, what is the difference what the neural network is like in your head from the internal perspective anyway?

And, what is the actual difference between 'that' and from outside of your head perspective?

LOL 'is probably'.

Once again, as I claimed "atla" will show and prove to us that "atla" is completely incapable of explaining what the mind is, EXACTLY.

I just did. We already completely disagree so no point in going into more detail.

Oh, so it is "atla" who KNOWS what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, right "atla".

Well at least probably 10 times better than you.

LOL 'probably' so maybe not, at all either, right?

LOL so, to "atla", 'mental and material' are PROBABLY of one and the same nature, OR MAYBE NOT.

Well done "atla" for "clearing 'this' up", for us.

You have it backwards:

I have 'what', exactly, supposedly backwards?

your certainty is merely a symptom of your low intelligence.

My certainty of 'what', exactly?

Also was the certainty held that actually the earth revolves around the sun also a symptom of that one's low intelligence also.

Oh, and by the way, how do you define the word 'intelligence' anyway?

Being certain of something unlikely such as duality, is a further symptom of your low intelligence.

So, does this mean that you being uncertain about something such as duality infer a further symptom of your high intelligence?

Like always we await your answer here.

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1. I suggest seeking out and gaining actual clarity before you just make an assumption, as you are doing here once more. See what you 'remember' here might be completely and utterly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, right?

2. I am not sure how many times I need to inform you that I have NO belief in any such thing before you can understand and fathom this FACT.

3. What you perceive is 'my problem' might in fact be 'your problem', alone.

Your random nonsense isn't as important as you think,

What is 'random nonsense' to one is not to another.

Also, do you perceive that your 'random nonsense' is somehow as important as you think?

that people will die to have it clarified by you in extreme detail.

When have I ever even imagined that anyone would 'die' to have 'my views' clarified, by me in any detail?

I am writing in this forum to actually show and prove just how little interest human beings actually had in "other's" views.

I do this to show how and why it took human beings so long to finally evolve into living in Peace and in Harmony together, as One. I also do this to show what best not to do in Life, and what is actually much better to do for every one's sake.

Again, we can see here, very clearly and very obviously, the attempts at deceit and deception, which commonly occurred in the days when this was being written.

What are you asking about here?

What do you not understand in what I have said and written here "atla"?

It's clear that the deceit and deception is on your part, as always.

WHY? Where, exactly, do you see, think, or believe there is any deceit or deception on my part, and, as you believe, 'as always'?

Also, could that last part be another form of dishonesty, deceit, and deception, on your part?

[Atla]

What 'comment'? I just asked a question, for clarity.

Also, you are just reconfirming my claim here when you claim that the mind is what the neural network in your head is like from the internal perspective.

Oh, and by the way, what is the difference what the neural network is like in your head from the internal perspective anyway?

And, what is the actual difference between 'that' and from outside of your head perspective?

The difference between the inside and outside perspective is the perspective. The rest is even more unintelligible, you clearly have no connection to the real world.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
LOL 'is probably'.

Once again, as I claimed "atla" will show and prove to us that "atla" is completely incapable of explaining what the mind is, EXACTLY.
I just did. We already completely disagree so no point in going into more detail.
Oh, so it is "atla" who KNOWS what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, right "atla".
Well at least probably 10 times better than you.
LOL 'probably' so maybe not, at all either, right?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
LOL so, to "atla", 'mental and material' are PROBABLY of one and the same nature, OR MAYBE NOT.

Well done "atla" for "clearing 'this' up", for us.
You have it backwards:
I have 'what', exactly, supposedly backwards?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
your certainty is merely a symptom of your low intelligence.
My certainty of 'what', exactly?

Also was the certainty held that actually the earth revolves around the sun also a symptom of that one's low intelligence also.

Oh, and by the way, how do you define the word 'intelligence' anyway?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
Being certain of something unlikely such as duality, is a further symptom of your low intelligence.
So, does this mean that you being uncertain about something such as duality infer a further symptom of your high intelligence?

Like always we await your answer here.

Likening the claim that people don't have their own minds to the claim that the Earth revolved around the Sun is the most pathetic defense of your insanity. One could try to "justify" any kind of random nonsense claim with that.

What is 'random nonsense' to one is not to another.

Also, do you perceive that your 'random nonsense' is somehow as important as you think?

Sad attempt to justify your insanity, but many people don't talk sheer nonsense like you to begin with.

When have I ever even imagined that anyone would 'die' to have 'my views' clarified, by me in any detail?

I am writing in this forum to actually show and prove just how little interest human beings actually had in "other's" views.

I do this to show how and why it took human beings so long to finally evolve into living in Peace and in Harmony together, as One. I also do this to show what best not to do in Life, and what is actually much better to do for every one's sake.

Hardly anyone will ever read your writings, and yet you can't stop pushing it on people, so it's clear that you are dying to get your claims across.
It's also insanity to claim to see a future where humans will live in peace and harmony, when such an utopia may not happen at all. It's clear that humans, at least the ones living today, didn't evolve for that.

WHY? Where, exactly, do you see, think, or believe there is any deceit or deception on my part, and, as you believe, 'as always'?

Also, could that last part be another form of dishonesty, deceit, and deception, on your part?

Err.. you spent like 20k comments on at least two or more accounts trying to push your lies onto people, while also claiming superior sanity and putting others down.

[Skepdick]

The difference between the inside and outside perspective is the perspective.

So ... that's half the perspective.

What about the differences and similarities between the inside and outside perspectives?

[Sculptor]

My mind wouldn't be half as screwed up as it is if I hadn't read Age's posts. Who posts with all the tenses fucking conflicting with each other? Is that a human being who lives now? We're obviously speaking a different language because his "reality" doesn't correspond to mine. I know nothing about him. He's a shadow out there who fucks up time as far as I can tell. That's about all I know about him. I'd like to kick his ass for talking like a moron but I wouldn't know how to contact him.

For reasons of quietude I have put Age on Ignore.

[Age]

What 'comment'? I just asked a question, for clarity.

Also, you are just reconfirming my claim here when you claim that the mind is what the neural network in your head is like from the internal perspective.

Oh, and by the way, what is the difference what the neural network is like in your head from the internal perspective anyway?

And, what is the actual difference between 'that' and from outside of your head perspective?

The difference between the inside and outside perspective is the perspective.

LOL Once again you have, demonstrably, failed absolutely completely in clearing up and explaining.

The rest is even more unintelligible,

So here we have another example of this one not even able to understand some of the most simplest and easiest things in Life.

you clearly have no connection to the real world.

And, once again, this one actually believes that 'it' KNOWS the so-called 'real world'.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
LOL 'is probably'.

Once again, as I claimed "atla" will show and prove to us that "atla" is completely incapable of explaining what the mind is, EXACTLY.
I just did. We already completely disagree so no point in going into more detail.
Oh, so it is "atla" who KNOWS what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, right "atla".
Well at least probably 10 times better than you.
LOL 'probably' so maybe not, at all either, right?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
LOL so, to "atla", 'mental and material' are PROBABLY of one and the same nature, OR MAYBE NOT.

Well done "atla" for "clearing 'this' up", for us.
You have it backwards:
I have 'what', exactly, supposedly backwards?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
your certainty is merely a symptom of your low intelligence.
My certainty of 'what', exactly?

Also was the certainty held that actually the earth revolves around the sun also a symptom of that one's low intelligence also.

Oh, and by the way, how do you define the word 'intelligence' anyway?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:26 am
Being certain of something unlikely such as duality, is a further symptom of your low intelligence.
So, does this mean that you being uncertain about something such as duality infer a further symptom of your high intelligence?

Like always we await your answer here.

Likening the claim that people don't have their own minds to the claim that the Earth revolved around the Sun is the most pathetic defense of your insanity.

Really?

If yes, then what are you basing this belief of yours on, exactly?

One could try to "justify" any kind of random nonsense claim with that.

BUT, if 'it' is 'random nonsense', then, obviously, 'it' would be absolutely nothing like what became and is true.

Likening the claim that the FACT that the earth revolves around the sun is some 'kind of random nonsense' also is, obviously, unjustifiable.

What is 'random nonsense' to one is not to another.

Also, do you perceive that your 'random nonsense' is somehow as important as you think?

Sad attempt to justify your insanity, but many people don't talk sheer nonsense like you to begin with.

So, are you here 'trying to' claim that your random nonsense is somehow important as you think?

And, just like sometimes some see random nonsense while "others" do not, like for example some saw the earth revolving around the sun as complete random nonsense, while "others" did not, some also see "others" are insane, like for example some saw the one proposing that the earth does, actually, revolve around the sun as being insane.

But, what the actual Truth ends up being can be completely opposite of what the popular belief is, or was, at particular moments throughout human history.

Now, what can be clearly seen here is you believe, wholeheartedly, that I am insane. So, obviously, what you read and hear here, from Me, you will see as just being random nonsense. However, do you actually have any proof that I am actually insane and that what I have actually said and written here is random nonsense? Or, do you just base these conclusions on the fact that I am just writing and stating some 'thing' that is opposite to what you, currently, believe is true?

Also, your attempts to 'try to' ridicule me by calling and labeling me as having insanity do not go by unrecognized at all. Well not by some of us anyway.

So, do you have any proof at all in regards to your claim I have insanity and/or to your claim that I say and write here is random nonsense, or is it just the sole case that these are just what you, sadly, believe is true alone?

If the former here is the case, then will you provide 'that proof' for us to look at and discuss?

If no, then why not?

And, if you do not provide any proof at all, then we shall take that as meaning, truthfully, the only basis for your claims here about 'me' and 'my claims' is your current personal belief alone.

When have I ever even imagined that anyone would 'die' to have 'my views' clarified, by me in any detail?

I am writing in this forum to actually show and prove just how little interest human beings actually had in "other's" views.

I do this to show how and why it took human beings so long to finally evolve into living in Peace and in Harmony together, as One. I also do this to show what best not to do in Life, and what is actually much better to do for every one's sake.

Hardly anyone will ever read your writings,

And what are you basing this claim and belief of yours on here exactly?

Do you know what happens in the future?

If yes, then how, and what will happen?

and yet you can't stop pushing it on people,

LOL 'pushing what' on people?

Also, if hardly anyone will ever read my writings, then I am, obviously, NOT able to 'push' any thing onto those people.

Now, what do you imagine I am 'pushing' onto those like 'you' who are reading my writings?

so it's clear that you are dying to get your claims across.

Here is an absolute clear and prime example of how 'beliefs' create and cause 'confirmation bias'.

This one actually BELIEVES that I am 'pushing' some 'thing', which 'it' has yet to clarify, and so it now also BELIEVES that I am, laughingly so-called, 'dying' to get my claims across.

By the way some are noticing that your persistent desire to call me insane and claim that my words and claims as being random nonsense, which was exactly what the people 'tried to' do with the one who was just stating and claiming that actually the sun revolves around the earth and not the other way around by the way, is you 'dying' to have your claims that people, really, do have individual minds. So, people are now seeing actually that it is 'you', "atla", clearly 'dying' to get your claim across here.

And, once again, and as I have pointed out and shown before the one here known as "atla" has a very strong affliction in regards to how when 'it' 'sees things', in some particular way, then everyone else should also 'see' 'those things' 'that way', and if any one does not, then those ones are insane, crazy, or just speaking random nonsense. Which was more or less exactly what human beings used to do, back in the 'old days' when just about every one was 'trying to' ridicule, shame, humiliate, and cast aspersions on one human being who was just trying to express what 'it' had found to be an irrefutable truth.

It's also insanity to claim to see a future where humans will live in peace and harmony, when such an utopia may not happen at all.

But, of course, peace and harmony may not happen, but what is also just as obvious is that when one KNOWS just how simple and easy peace and harmony can be reached and maintained for every one, then being able to see the future where humans ARE living in peace and harmony, and so that utopia is existing is a Truly very simple and easy thing to do.

It would be just like when one was proposing that actually the earth revolves around the sun, instead of the other way around, and no one else could see this FACT, that that one could also clearly see a future where humans will live in 'that knowledge' and KNOWING.

It's clear that humans, at least the ones living today, didn't evolve for that.

But there is always tomorrow. Which can be much closer than some just, yet, realize.

Anyway, again what we have here is another prime example of just how quickly, simply, and easily one will 'judge' "another" as having insanity based on nothing more than one's own BELIEF/S alone, and without absolutely any clarity being sought out first.

This one also seems to have not ever even considered that absolutely every 'thing' that human beings have created was once seen as being, and believed to be, absolutely impossible, and a form of insanity to even imagine that 'those things' could once become possible.

WHY? Where, exactly, do you see, think, or believe there is any deceit or deception on my part, and, as you believe, 'as always'?

Also, could that last part be another form of dishonesty, deceit, and deception, on your part?

Err.. you spent like 20k comments on at least two or more accounts trying to push your lies onto people, while also claiming superior sanity and putting others down.

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I ask 'this one' WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe that there is ANY deceit or deception, on my part, and 'it' comes back with, 'the above'.

If I recall correctly I do not recall once you having EVER actually clarified ANY actual clarifying question that I have asked you "atla".

I have made less than 18,000 posts here so far, so WHERE, EXACTLY, are your claimed 'like 20,000 comments' of mine? WHAT are the 'at least two or more accounts', so WHERE I am supposedly trying to push your claimed 'my lies'? And, what ARE 'my lies', EXACTLY?

Did you even COMPREHEND that ACTUAL QUESTION I posed, and ASKED 'you' here before, "atla"? your response here shows NOT.

I asked 'you', 'WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe I have been deceitful or deceptive'?

Surely 'this question' is NOT unintelligible for you, as well?

Is your BELIEF that I AM INSANE so strong in you that you REALLY DO BELIEVE that just about EVERY thing I say and write here IS 'random nonsense', so what ends up is that just about EVERY thing I write and say here IS UNINTELLIGIBLE, to you?

Your reply to THAT QUESTION of mine absolutely DEFLECTED AWAY, and so as some see was just another attempt at DECEIT and DECEPTION on your part. you also ended up 'WAFFLING ON', and DEFLECTING or DETRACTING AWAY about some IMAGINED 'claiming of superior sanity', of which is, once more, of your OWN 'making' ONLY, and of some claim that I have put "others" down.

I have NEVER EVER put ANY one down here, in this forum. And, you will PROVE this True by NEVER providing ANY actual proof for your claim here.

Now, are 'you' even aware "atla" that 'you' are just continually providing more and more PROOF here of my claim that 'you' are 'trying to' be VERY deceitful and deceptive here?

[Age]

The difference between the inside and outside perspective is the perspective.

So ... that's half the perspective.

What about the differences and similarities between the inside and outside perspectives?

Let us see if "atla" will answer the actual clarifying question being asked here.

[Age]

My mind wouldn't be half as screwed up as it is if I hadn't read Age's posts. Who posts with all the tenses fucking conflicting with each other? Is that a human being who lives now? We're obviously speaking a different language because his "reality" doesn't correspond to mine. I know nothing about him. He's a shadow out there who fucks up time as far as I can tell. That's about all I know about him. I'd like to kick his ass for talking like a moron but I wouldn't know how to contact him.

For reasons of quietude I have put Age on Ignore.

Okay, thanks for letting us know, but what the actual True reason may well come to light to and for "others" later on.

Selective hearing, and selective listening, have proved to be signs of lack of intelligence. Some of the ones here, in this forum, are providing irrefutable examples of this phenomenon.

Some just can not stand hearing what goes against what they absolutely believe is true.

[Atla]

LOL Once again you have, demonstrably, failed absolutely completely in clearing up and explaining.

I didn't, I started explaining and we already completely disagree due to your pathological delusions.

So here we have another example of this one not even able to understand some of the most simplest and easiest things in Life.

Your pathological delusions aren't some of the most simplest and easiest things in Life, they are your pathological delusions.

And, once again, this one actually believes that 'it' KNOWS the so-called 'real world'.

Your pathological delusions clearly contradict the 'real world' so it is unlikely that you're the one who knows it better.

Really?

If yes, then what are you basing this belief of yours on, exactly?

An utterly, completely insane question. Everything we know about the real world shows that the Earth does go around the Sun and that humans do have individual minds. Which means that you know NOTHING about the real world.

BUT, if 'it' is 'random nonsense', then, obviously, 'it' would be absolutely nothing like what became and is true.

Likening the claim that the FACT that the earth revolves around the sun is some 'kind of random nonsense' also is, obviously, unjustifiable.

Yes and it is absolutely nothing like what became and is ture.

So, are you here 'trying to' claim that your random nonsense is somehow important as you think?

And, just like sometimes some see random nonsense while "others" do not, like for example some saw the earth revolving around the sun as complete random nonsense, while "others" did not, some also see "others" are insane, like for example some saw the one proposing that the earth does, actually, revolve around the sun as being insane.

But, what the actual Truth ends up being can be completely opposite of what the popular belief is, or was, at particular moments throughout human history.

Now, what can be clearly seen here is you believe, wholeheartedly, that I am insane. So, obviously, what you read and hear here, from Me, you will see as just being random nonsense. However, do you actually have any proof that I am actually insane and that what I have actually said and written here is random nonsense? Or, do you just base these conclusions on the fact that I am just writing and stating some 'thing' that is opposite to what you, currently, believe is true?

Also, your attempts to 'try to' ridicule me by calling and labeling me as having insanity do not go by unrecognized at all. Well not by some of us anyway.

So, do you have any proof at all in regards to your claim I have insanity and/or to your claim that I say and write here is random nonsense, or is it just the sole case that these are just what you, sadly, believe is true alone?

If the former here is the case, then will you provide 'that proof' for us to look at and discuss?

If no, then why not?

And, if you do not provide any proof at all, then we shall take that as meaning, truthfully, the only basis for your claims here about 'me' and 'my claims' is your current personal belief alone.

See above. Literally absolutely everything we know about the real world is proof that you are wrong. 100% of it. You are calling 100% proof random nonsense, and instead claim that your 100% made up pathological delusions are truth. In other words you are insane and that's a fact, it's simply how it is.

And what are you basing this claim and belief of yours on here exactly?

Do you know what happens in the future?

If yes, then how, and what will happen?

No unlike you I don't claim to know the future, but unlike you I know the real world and the human beings, and there's like a 99.999% chance that this is how it will go. Unless you pull a massive miracle out of your ass, put so far all the millions or hundreds of millions of all kinds of crazy people throughout history couldn't do it, so why could you?

LOL 'pushing what' on people?

Also, if hardly anyone will ever read my writings, then I am, obviously, NOT able to 'push' any thing onto those people.

Now, what do you imagine I am 'pushing' onto those like 'you' who are reading my writings?

Yes pushing it onto people, it's the only thing you do on the forum. So most of them are forced to end up ignoring you.

Here is an absolute clear and prime example of how 'beliefs' create and cause 'confirmation bias'.

This one actually BELIEVES that I am 'pushing' some 'thing', which 'it' has yet to clarify, and so it now also BELIEVES that I am, laughingly so-called, 'dying' to get my claims across.

By the way some are noticing that your persistent desire to call me insane and claim that my words and claims as being random nonsense, which was exactly what the people 'tried to' do with the one who was just stating and claiming that actually the sun revolves around the earth and not the other way around by the way, is you 'dying' to have your claims that people, really, do have individual minds. So, people are now seeing actually that it is 'you', "atla", clearly 'dying' to get your claim across here.

And, once again, and as I have pointed out and shown before the one here known as "atla" has a very strong affliction in regards to how when 'it' 'sees things', in some particular way, then everyone else should also 'see' 'those things' 'that way', and if any one does not, then those ones are insane, crazy, or just speaking random nonsense. Which was more or less exactly what human beings used to do, back in the 'old days' when just about every one was 'trying to' ridicule, shame, humiliate, and cast aspersions on one human being who was just trying to express what 'it' had found to be an irrefutable truth.

You ARE insane, and pushing your insanity onto others. It's just how it is. Since your behaviour is hurting other people, it can be seen as malignant behaviour, so putting a stop to it is the right thing to do.

But, of course, peace and harmony may not happen, but what is also just as obvious is that when one KNOWS just how simple and easy peace and harmony can be reached and maintained for every one, then being able to see the future where humans ARE living in peace and harmony, and so that utopia is existing is a Truly very simple and easy thing to do.

It would be just like when one was proposing that actually the earth revolves around the sun, instead of the other way around, and no one else could see this FACT, that that one could also clearly see a future where humans will live in 'that knowledge' and KNOWING.

You are insane by seeing something that's entirely not true. It's impossible to achieve peace and harmony even with perfect communication, few things are less obvious than this to those who actually know humans and the real world. So what you're doing is just victim blaming, adding more injury to the injury, posing yourself as a saint on a moral highorse. It's "evil" behaviour so fuck off.

But there is always tomorrow. Which can be much closer than some just, yet, realize.

Anyway, again what we have here is another prime example of just how quickly, simply, and easily one will 'judge' "another" as having insanity based on nothing more than one's own BELIEF/S alone, and without absolutely any clarity being sought out first.

This one also seems to have not ever even considered that absolutely every 'thing' that human beings have created was once seen as being, and believed to be, absolutely impossible, and a form of insanity to even imagine that 'those things' could once become possible.

What a disgusting defence of your malignant insanity. Many things are impossible whether we believe in them or not. For example solving all problems using communication. It's a problem that's NOTHING like the problem of Earth revolving around the Sun or vica versa.

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I ask 'this one' WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe that there is ANY deceit or deception, on my part, and 'it' comes back with, 'the above'.

If I recall correctly I do not recall once you having EVER actually clarified ANY actual clarifying question that I have asked you "atla".

I have made less than 18,000 posts here so far, so WHERE, EXACTLY, are your claimed 'like 20,000 comments' of mine? WHAT are the 'at least two or more accounts', so WHERE I am supposedly trying to push your claimed 'my lies'? And, what ARE 'my lies', EXACTLY?

Did you even COMPREHEND that ACTUAL QUESTION I posed, and ASKED 'you' here before, "atla"? your response here shows NOT.

I asked 'you', 'WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe I have been deceitful or deceptive'?

Surely 'this question' is NOT unintelligible for you, as well?

Is your BELIEF that I AM INSANE so strong in you that you REALLY DO BELIEVE that just about EVERY thing I say and write here IS 'random nonsense', so what ends up is that just about EVERY thing I write and say here IS UNINTELLIGIBLE, to you?

Your reply to THAT QUESTION of mine absolutely DEFLECTED AWAY, and so as some see was just another attempt at DECEIT and DECEPTION on your part. you also ended up 'WAFFLING ON', and DEFLECTING or DETRACTING AWAY about some IMAGINED 'claiming of superior sanity', of which is, once more, of your OWN 'making' ONLY, and of some claim that I have put "others" down.

I have NEVER EVER put ANY one down here, in this forum. And, you will PROVE this True by NEVER providing ANY actual proof for your claim here.

Now, are 'you' even aware "atla" that 'you' are just continually providing more and more PROOF here of my claim that 'you' are 'trying to' be VERY deceitful and deceptive here?

All your forum activity is about putting others down for not seeing your pathological delusons about your magical utopia. It's malignant behaviour and should be rooted out, like many other people, you are merely only hurting others by pushing insane things on them.

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LOL Once again you have, demonstrably, failed absolutely completely in clearing up and explaining.

I didn't, I started explaining and we already completely disagree due to your pathological delusions.

Why do you believe that we already completely disagree?

LOL you seem to really do appear to not be able to let your own presumptions get in the way of what is actually True and Right.

Also, 'starting' to explain, in absolutely no way means that you have actually 'completely cleared up and explained things'.

Furthermore, once again, your BELIEF that I have 'pathological delusions' is absolutely OBVIOUS and CLEAR here. Which, by the way, is absolutely preventing and stopping you from seeing 'things' completely clearly here.

Now, what is 'it', exactly, that you presume and believe I am already in complete disagreement with you?

Have you even noticed how you very rarely, if EVER, actually get to CLARIFY before you make these truly absurd presumptions and claims of yours, like you have above here?

Again, why do you believe that we are already in complete disagreement, and what is 'it', exactly, here that you believe we are already in complete disagreement of?

So here we have another example of this one not even able to understand some of the most simplest and easiest things in Life.

Your pathological delusions aren't some of the most simplest and easiest things in Life, they are your pathological delusions.

Look, I could say that 'your pathological delusions are not some of ....', but just saying 'this', without providing any actual information in regards to what I am talking about and referring to, is just a complete waste of time. Except, of course, unless I am 'trying to' be deceptive and 'trying to' deceive "others" into 'seeing' 'things', which really are not there.

Now, if you do explain what the presumed and claimed 'pathological delusions' are, exactly, then what you claim here is really just about waste.

And, once again, this one actually believes that 'it' KNOWS the so-called 'real world'.

Your pathological delusions clearly contradict the 'real world' so it is unlikely that you're the one who knows it better.

1. you are yet to tell us what my, alleged and claimed, 'pathological delusions' are, exactly.

2. you are yet to inform us of what the 'real world' is, exactly, which you claim my views/pathological delusions clearly contradict.

3. To even begin to claim that "another's" views 'clearly contradict' the 'real world' is 'that one' 'trying' 'its' hardest to 'make out' that 'it' KNOWS what the 'real world' is, exactly.

Really?

If yes, then what are you basing this belief of yours on, exactly?

An utterly, completely insane question.

An absolute clear indication that you are completely and utterly INCAPABLE of explaining what you CLAIM is true.

Everything we know about the real world shows that the Earth does go around the Sun and that humans do have individual minds.

Really?

Name one 'thing' that shows, to you, that in the so-called 'real world' that 'you', human beings, do have so-called 'individual minds'.

Which means that you know NOTHING about the real world.

Wow talk about providing a perfect and prime example of how one can JUMP TO 'a conclusion', and then BELIEVE that 'that conclusion' is ABSOLUTELY true, right, and correct. While NEVER providing ANY actual reason NOR proof of WHY they BELIEVE some 'thing' is absolutely true.

BUT, if 'it' is 'random nonsense', then, obviously, 'it' would be absolutely nothing like what became and is true.

Likening the claim that the FACT that the earth revolves around the sun is some 'kind of random nonsense' also is, obviously, unjustifiable.

Yes and it is absolutely nothing like what became and is ture.

So, are you here 'trying to' claim that your random nonsense is somehow important as you think?

And, just like sometimes some see random nonsense while "others" do not, like for example some saw the earth revolving around the sun as complete random nonsense, while "others" did not, some also see "others" are insane, like for example some saw the one proposing that the earth does, actually, revolve around the sun as being insane.

But, what the actual Truth ends up being can be completely opposite of what the popular belief is, or was, at particular moments throughout human history.

Now, what can be clearly seen here is you believe, wholeheartedly, that I am insane. So, obviously, what you read and hear here, from Me, you will see as just being random nonsense. However, do you actually have any proof that I am actually insane and that what I have actually said and written here is random nonsense? Or, do you just base these conclusions on the fact that I am just writing and stating some 'thing' that is opposite to what you, currently, believe is true?

Also, your attempts to 'try to' ridicule me by calling and labeling me as having insanity do not go by unrecognized at all. Well not by some of us anyway.

So, do you have any proof at all in regards to your claim I have insanity and/or to your claim that I say and write here is random nonsense, or is it just the sole case that these are just what you, sadly, believe is true alone?

If the former here is the case, then will you provide 'that proof' for us to look at and discuss?

If no, then why not?

And, if you do not provide any proof at all, then we shall take that as meaning, truthfully, the only basis for your claims here about 'me' and 'my claims' is your current personal belief alone.

See above. Literally absolutely everything we know about the real world is proof that you are wrong. 100% of it.

Who and/or what does the 'we' word here refer to, exactly?

And, what do 'you', and 'them', KNOW about the 'real world', which is PROOF that I am WRONG, and 100% WRONG?

What will become VERY CLEAR and OBVIOUS is that 'this one' will show and prove to us that "atla" is completely incapable of explaining what is supposedly 'absolutely everything' 'they', supposedly, KNOW about the 'real world', and which is, allegedly, PROOF that I am 100% WRONG here.

In fact "atla" is so absolutely USELESS at backing up, supporting, and explaining 'its' OWN views and beliefs that 'it' will once again make more and further incomprehensible generalized and unsubstantiated claims.

You are calling 100% proof random nonsense, and instead claim that your 100% made up pathological delusions are truth. In other words you are insane and that's a fact, it's simply how it is.

LOOK at how many words "atla" SAYS, but absolutely NONE of 'them' can be directly referenced to ANY actual 'thing'.

Just SAYING and STATING that "another" speaks 'random nonsense', has 'pathological delusions', is 'insane', which IS 'a fact', and 'simply how 'it' is' SAYS absolutely NOTHING AT ALL.

1. What do you claim is 'random nonsense' of mine?

2. What 'pathological delusions' are you referring to, exactly?

3. What are you basing your BELIEF that I AM INSANE ON, exactly?

4. What are you basing your BELIEF and CLAIM that I AM INSANE IS A FACT ON, exactly?

5. What are you CLAIMING is 100% PROOF, and which you CLAIM I have called 'random nonsense'?

6. Do you REALLY BELIEVE that just SAYING and STATING that "another" IS INSANE, and then CLAIMING that 'that is simply how 'it' is' MEANS that 'that' IS 'simply how 'it' is'?

And what are you basing this claim and belief of yours on here exactly?

Do you know what happens in the future?

If yes, then how, and what will happen?

No unlike you I don't claim to know the future,

BUT 'you', "atla", was THE ONE who SAID, STATED, and thus CLAIMED that, 'Hardly any one will EVER read your claims'.

If 'this' is NOT you claiming to know what happens in the future, then what IS, exactly?

but unlike you I know the real world and the human beings,

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So, now "atla" CLAIMS that 'it' KNOWS 'the real world' AND 'the human beings'.

When then MEANS if absolutely ANY one wants to ALSO KNOW 'the real world' AND 'the human beings' all they now have to do is just go and ask "atla" what 'the real truth' is, exactly.

and there's like a 99.999% chance that this is how it will go.

'What' is how 'it' will go? And,

What is 'it' here?

Unless you pull a massive miracle out of your ass, put so far all the millions or hundreds of millions of all kinds of crazy people throughout history couldn't do it, so why could you?

But there is NO 'miracle' needed.

I just NEED to keep learning how to communicate better, with 'you', human beings.

LOL 'pushing what' on people?

Also, if hardly anyone will ever read my writings, then I am, obviously, NOT able to 'push' any thing onto those people.

Now, what do you imagine I am 'pushing' onto those like 'you' who are reading my writings?

Yes pushing it onto people,

LOL ONCE AGAIN, I ask this one to clarify what 'it' is talking about, but 'it' completely and utterly FAILS to do so.

I ASK, 'What do you imagine I am 'pushing'?' And 'it' replies with, 'Yes pushing 'it' onto people'.

It is like 'you' REALLY are not even able to SEE the actual words that I ask and write here.

it's the only thing you do on the forum.

Now, if we were to assume that the 'it' word is in reference to me pushing this 'it' 'thing' onto people', then we are STILL left in absolute WONDER in regards to what 'it' IS, exactly, which I am, supposedly, 'pushing onto people'.

So most of them are forced to end up ignoring you.

This is ANOTHER example of going absolutely OFF tangent, leading to absolute DEFLECTION. Without ever once CLARIFYING what I actually asked for.

Here is an absolute clear and prime example of how 'beliefs' create and cause 'confirmation bias'.

This one actually BELIEVES that I am 'pushing' some 'thing', which 'it' has yet to clarify, and so it now also BELIEVES that I am, laughingly so-called, 'dying' to get my claims across.

By the way some are noticing that your persistent desire to call me insane and claim that my words and claims as being random nonsense, which was exactly what the people 'tried to' do with the one who was just stating and claiming that actually the sun revolves around the earth and not the other way around by the way, is you 'dying' to have your claims that people, really, do have individual minds. So, people are now seeing actually that it is 'you', "atla", clearly 'dying' to get your claim across here.

And, once again, and as I have pointed out and shown before the one here known as "atla" has a very strong affliction in regards to how when 'it' 'sees things', in some particular way, then everyone else should also 'see' 'those things' 'that way', and if any one does not, then those ones are insane, crazy, or just speaking random nonsense. Which was more or less exactly what human beings used to do, back in the 'old days' when just about every one was 'trying to' ridicule, shame, humiliate, and cast aspersions on one human being who was just trying to express what 'it' had found to be an irrefutable truth.

You ARE insane,

Are you AWARE that we ALREADY KNOW that 'this' is what you ALREADY BELIEVE is ABSOLUTELY TRUE?

you do NOT have to keep informing us of what you BELIEVE here.

and pushing your insanity onto others.

Ah, now we are getting somewhere. So, you BELIEVE that 'it' is 'my insanity' that I am, supposedly, 'pushing' ONTO people, like "yourself", who are reading 'my writings' here.

Thank you for FINALLY clearing 'this' up here.

It's just how it is.

Okay. So, what we have here is further PROOF of 'confirmation bias' in its greatest form.

This one BELIEVES, absolutely and wholeheartedly, that I AM 'pushing' MY INSANITY ONTO 'readers' here, so without having to explain ANY actual 'reasoning' NOR provide ANY actual evidence and proof for, this one now CLAIMS that 'it' can just SAY and STATE, ' It is just 'how it is' ', and then 'this' will suffice in backing and supporting 'its' BELIEF that I AM INSANE and that I AM 'pushing' MY INSANITY ONTO 'you' 'readers' here.

BELIEVE what 'you' will. But I would take "atla's" CLAIMS here, exactly, how they are proposed.

Since your behaviour is hurting other people, it can be seen as malignant behaviour, so putting a stop to it is the right thing to do.

How, exactly, has 'my behavior' 'hurt' 'you', or ANY "other person" here?

Well, OBVIOUSLY, ANY behavior that hurts "another" would be seen as 'malignant behavior', I would say that 'this' goes without speaking, as some would call 'it', BUT 'you' are YET to PROVE that 'my behavior' has been 'hurting' absolute'y ANY person here.

We AWAIT your PROOF "atla".

Oh, and by the way, putting A STOP to ANY and ALL behavior, which hurts absolutely ANY one or that is malignant would, OBVIOUSLY, be the Right thing to do. This, also obviously, would go, without saying, right?

But, of course, peace and harmony may not happen, but what is also just as obvious is that when one KNOWS just how simple and easy peace and harmony can be reached and maintained for every one, then being able to see the future where humans ARE living in peace and harmony, and so that utopia is existing is a Truly very simple and easy thing to do.

It would be just like when one was proposing that actually the earth revolves around the sun, instead of the other way around, and no one else could see this FACT, that that one could also clearly see a future where humans will live in 'that knowledge' and KNOWING.

You are insane by seeing something that's entirely not true.

Okay, but what are you 'seeing' and BELIEVING that I am 'seeing', which is, supposedly, ENTIRELY 'not true' here?

It's impossible to achieve peace and harmony even with perfect communication,

Oh okay.

So, ONCE AGAIN, "atla" CLAIMS to KNOW what the 'real world' IS, exactly, AS WELL AS KNOW what WILL happen in the future.

Oh, and by the way, "atla" STILL seems to NOT YET KNOW, NOR RECOGNIZE the FACT, that ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' that human beings have ACHIEVED and CREATED was once, PERCEIVED to be, IMPOSSIBLE.

few things are less obvious than this to those who actually know humans and the real world.

What we have here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of what I call 'APE thinking'. Which is; Assuming, based upon Past Experiences, alone.

So what you're doing is just victim blaming, adding more injury to the injury, posing yourself as a saint on a moral highorse. It's "evil" behaviour so fuck off.

What we have here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just RE-REPEATING what one ALREADY BELIEVES is true, while NEVER actually CLARIFYING what they are talking ABOUT nor referring TO, exactly. Even when the SPECIFIC CLARIFYING QUESTIONS have been ASKED.

This one is so FIXATED on what 'it', currently, BELIEVES is true that 'it' can not YET SEE that 'it' does not even KNOW what 'it' is talking ABOUT, and MEANING.

But there is always tomorrow. Which can be much closer than some just, yet, realize.

Anyway, again what we have here is another prime example of just how quickly, simply, and easily one will 'judge' "another" as having insanity based on nothing more than one's own BELIEF/S alone, and without absolutely any clarity being sought out first.

This one also seems to have not ever even considered that absolutely every 'thing' that human beings have created was once seen as being, and believed to be, absolutely impossible, and a form of insanity to even imagine that 'those things' could once become possible.

What a disgusting defence of your malignant insanity.

Okay.

But most people REALLY DO HATE when their OWN views and BELIEFS are SHOWN and PROVED to NOT be 'stacking up', as some might call 'it'.

Many things are impossible whether we believe in them or not. For example solving all problems using communication.

Okay, so, ONCE AGAIN, we have "atla" CLAIMING TO KNOW what WILL HAPPEN FOREVER MORE.

It's a problem that's NOTHING like the problem of Earth revolving around the Sun or vica versa.

I NEVER KNEW that the earth revolving around the sun was 'a problem' nor ever could be 'a problem'.

Also, 'what' IS 'a problem', that is, supposedly, NOTHING like 'the problem' of earth revolving around the sun, or vica versa?

If you NEVER relay 'the problem', then NO one could EVER SHOW you HOW to SOLVE 'the problem', obviously.

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I ask 'this one' WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe that there is ANY deceit or deception, on my part, and 'it' comes back with, 'the above'.

If I recall correctly I do not recall once you having EVER actually clarified ANY actual clarifying question that I have asked you "atla".

I have made less than 18,000 posts here so far, so WHERE, EXACTLY, are your claimed 'like 20,000 comments' of mine? WHAT are the 'at least two or more accounts', so WHERE I am supposedly trying to push your claimed 'my lies'? And, what ARE 'my lies', EXACTLY?

Did you even COMPREHEND that ACTUAL QUESTION I posed, and ASKED 'you' here before, "atla"? your response here shows NOT.

I asked 'you', 'WHERE, EXACTLY, do you see, think, or believe I have been deceitful or deceptive'?

Surely 'this question' is NOT unintelligible for you, as well?

Is your BELIEF that I AM INSANE so strong in you that you REALLY DO BELIEVE that just about EVERY thing I say and write here IS 'random nonsense', so what ends up is that just about EVERY thing I write and say here IS UNINTELLIGIBLE, to you?

Your reply to THAT QUESTION of mine absolutely DEFLECTED AWAY, and so as some see was just another attempt at DECEIT and DECEPTION on your part. you also ended up 'WAFFLING ON', and DEFLECTING or DETRACTING AWAY about some IMAGINED 'claiming of superior sanity', of which is, once more, of your OWN 'making' ONLY, and of some claim that I have put "others" down.

I have NEVER EVER put ANY one down here, in this forum. And, you will PROVE this True by NEVER providing ANY actual proof for your claim here.

Now, are 'you' even aware "atla" that 'you' are just continually providing more and more PROOF here of my claim that 'you' are 'trying to' be VERY deceitful and deceptive here?

All your forum activity is about putting others down

REALLY?

Is 'it' REALLY TRUE that absolutely ALL of my forum activity IS about 'putting "others" down'?

If yes, or even no, just so that you BECOME AWARE I have NEVER even ATTEMPTED to put absolutely ANY one down. Let alone having actually 'done this'.

And, your INABILITY to PROVIDE just one example of when and where I have, SUPPOSEDLY, put absolutely ANY one down just further PROVES that I HAVE NOT.

Explaining the IRREFUTABLE Truth ABOUT what 'you', adult human beings, DO is NOT 'putting 'you' down', AT ALL. Obviously, the Truth may well hurt, as some say. But the Truth NEVER 'puts ANY one down'. If ANY of 'you', adult human beings, are 'feeling' 'down' when 'you' see or hear 'the Truth' being presented here, then 'this' is a SIGN that there is ACTUAL Truth in what is being SAID, and PRESENTED.

Now, explaining the Truth can be USED by "others" as seeing "themselves" as VICTIMS, or seeing or hearing the Truth can be USED to motivate CHANGE, for the BETTER.

However, 'you' "atla" are absolutely FREE to take Truth absolutely ANY way you like and want to. So, if you want to see "yourself" as A VICTIM here, then by all means keep doing 'that'.

for not seeing your pathological delusons about your magical utopia.

I have NEVER expected ANY of 'you' here to SEE, AGREE WITH, nor even ACCEPT, my views here.

In fact I NEVER expected ANY of 'you' would.

My writings in this forum is just part of A process, which may well be much longer than 'you', or ANY one, wants and hopes for.

It's malignant behaviour and should be rooted out, like many other people, you are merely only hurting others by pushing insane things on them.

Are 'you' AWARE "atla" of just how much 'you' 'try to', what is called, PROJECT your OWN views and BELIEFS ONTO "others"?

Have you REALLY STILL NOT YET NOTICED that it is 'you' who has been continually 'trying to' PUSH 'your' OWN ideas and views ONTO "others" here?

By calling 'my views' INSANE and/or RANDOM NONSENSE is 'your way' of PUSHING your OWN ideas and views as being the TRUE and RIGHT ones ONTO "others", and 'you' 'trying to' hardest to GARNISH support and back up for 'you' and 'your BELIEFS'.

Can you REALLY STILL NOT SEE that 'you' ARE BEHAVING and REACTING exactly like the people's, in the 'olden days', who ATTEMPTED to RIDICULE and DISCREDIT 'the one' who was expressing the ACTUAL Truth, and 'tried to' GARNISH support and back up by ATTEMPTING TO humiliate 'the person', and the actual Correct and Accurate views?