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promethean75 wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:47 am And what day of the week is this experiment happening on?
I need more than a day to conduct this experiment. Can you give me more time to accomplish my task?
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Can I turn my homework in late, professor?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:42 am BUT those 3 feet have no impact on the experiment (kunt)
Their fact that the two so-called "identical" entities are NOT identical has no impact on the experiment?

What the fuck?!?!
DO U UNDER_stand a hypothetical experiment or not?

There are no causal effects differing in each of the Boony's slightly differing positions in spacetime
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:50 am
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:45 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:42 am BUT those 3 feet have no impact on the experiment (kunt)
Their fact that the two so-called "identical" entities are NOT identical has no impact on the experiment?

What the fuck?!?!
DO U UNDER_stand a hypothetical experiment or not?

There are no causal effects differing in each of the Boony's slightly differing positions in spacetime
I have made a new discovery!!!!!! If an experiment is hypothetical, then the experiment is hypothetical.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:47 am DO U UNDER_stand a hypothetical experiment or not?

There are no causal effects differing in each of the Boony's slightly differing positions in spacetime
No. I do not understand the experiment.

One of the people is David Boon and the other is David Boon's clone.

They may have identical classical information, but they definitely don't have identical quantum information.

You have a paradigm-clash.
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Hello NASA, can you hear me? Hypothetical experiments are hypothetical experiments. I'll report back when I discover more about our planet.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:51 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:47 am DO U UNDER_stand a hypothetical experiment or not?

There are no causal effects differing in each of the Boony's slightly differing positions in spacetime
No. I do not understand the experiment.

One of the people is David Boon and the other is David Boon's clone.

They may have identical classical information, but they definitely don't have identical quantum information.

You have a paradigm-clash.
No.

Both Boonys are a copy of the origInal. At the point of 'instansiation' both Boonys are then at the same point in spacetime taking part of the experiment.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:57 am No.

Both Boonys are a copy of the origInal. At the point of 'instansiation' both Boonys are then at the same point in spacetime taking part of the experiment.
Copies of the original are not the original. They are copies.

They are identical in the sense of classical information (there are NO detectable differences, until a difference is detected)
They are NOT identical in a quantum sense. (they are forbidden from being identical by the laws of nature)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:03 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:57 am No.

Both Boonys are a copy of the origInal. At the point of 'instansiation' both Boonys are then at the same point in spacetime taking part of the experiment.
Copies of the original are not the original. They are copies.

They are identical in the sense of classical information (there are NO detectable differences, until a difference is detected)
They are NOT identical in a quantum sense. (they are forbidden from being identical by the laws of nature)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem
Shut up being a dickhead.

The hypothetical consideration is that two sentient beings are identical at the same point of time and then what will happen from zero point in time, where the circumstances are identical.

moron.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am Shut up being a dickhead.

The hypothetical consideration is that two sentient beings are identical at the same point of time and then what will happen from zero point in time.

moron.
TWO things can never be identical. Identity implies ONE.

Sorry, I cannot think in contradictions.

Find somebody who can.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am Shut up being a dickhead.

The hypothetical consideration is that two sentient beings are identical at the same point of time and then what will happen from zero point in time.

moron.
Sorry, I cannot think in contradictions.

Find somebody who can.
Really?
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:08 am
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am Shut up being a dickhead.

The hypothetical consideration is that two sentient beings are identical at the same point of time and then what will happen from zero point in time.

moron.
Sorry, I cannot think in contradictions.

Find somebody who can.
Really?
Yes. Really.

For your experiment to make any sense to anybody then I must presuppose that 1=2

How do you share 1 identity between 2 people?

You are 1 identity short.
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Hello NASA, can you send up some oxygen. If you can't then I'll take off my space suit and whatever happens on this planet happens. In any case, I did it for the cosmos! Please post that as my final words on my gravestone. That is if you can send someone up here to collect my remains.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:09 am
attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:08 am
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:06 am
Sorry, I cannot think in contradictions.

Find somebody who can.
Really?
Yes. Really.

For your experiment to make any sense to anybody then I must presuppose that 1=2

How do you share 1 identity between 2 people?

You are 1 identity short.
Skeppy - U R being hypathetical.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:13 am Skeppy - U R being hypathetical.
No, I am being reasonable.

You are asking me to be hypothetically unreasonable.

I don't know how to forget being reasonable; and even if I did know how to forget - why would I want to?
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