Pissing off the atheists/naturalists

[Skepdick]

Ah, an edit. Skepdick, has it ever occurred to you to think before you dash off your nonsense?

49.000...1/51.999..9 wouldn't topple me.
49.000...2/51.999..8 wouldn't topple me.
49.000...3/51.999..7 wouldn't topple me.
49.000...4/51.999..6 wouldn't topple me.
....
49.9/51.1 wouldn't topple me.

But 49/51 just breaks the camel's back.

But at the level of infinite precision it's really fucking simple.

Really? You're that precise with your beliefs? This joke just keeps getting funnier!

How precise is THAT precise? I am simply more precise than you. It doesn't mean I am right; only that I am less wrong.

X=Y is suspension of judgment
X > Y is a judgment.
X < Y is a judgment.

You are contradicting yourself.

Maybe you've confused having beliefs with having degrees of certainty about your beliefs. Who knows?
Maybe you thought the question "Do you believe in God?" means the same thing as "Are you certain about your belief in God?"

I'd think that is evidence for who's on the left side of the Dunning-Kruger scale...

[Will Bouwman]

Dear oh dear. Can't you tell from the above there is no continuum joining underdetermination and overdetermination?

Dear, oh dear. Can't you tell that I constructed the continuum?

And I constructed the fence.

I am on the fence and I don't see you.

Nah mate, you fell off the fence when that final 'sixtillienth' you were counting made it 49/51.

[Skepdick]

And I constructed the fence.

So why don't I see you on it? I am on the 50/50 fence.

I am seeing you on the right side of the playing field Mr 49/51.

Nah mate, you fell off the fence when that final 'sixtillienth' you were counting made it 49/51.

Nah, mate. I can count while I am sitting on the fence without falling off. My sixtillienth didn't make it 49/51. It's still 50/50.

Apparently you can't.

[Will Bouwman]

I can count while I am sitting on the fence without falling off. My sixtillienth didn't make it 49/51. It's still 50/50.

But a bumble bee's fart at 40 paces is enough to blow you off.

[Skepdick]

I can count while I am sitting on the fence without falling off. My sixtillienth didn't make it 49/51. It's still 50/50.

But a bumble bee's fart at 40 paces is enough to blow you off.

Of course! It's called a deciding factor.

So care to share why the bumble bee fart swayed you, Mr 49/51?

Because I am still stuck at 50/50 and the bumble bee fart didn't sway me.

In proportion to all the other cosmic evidence that is...

[Will Bouwman]

So care to share what your deciding factor was, Mr 49/51?

As you suggest, I can quite happily sit on a fence, bowling ball in hand, because all theories are underdetermined, dontcha know? If I changed my mind every time some new sextillionth of information came to light, I'd end up as mad as you.

[Skepdick]

So care to share what your deciding factor was, Mr 49/51?

As you suggest, I can quite happily sit on a fence, bowling ball in hand, because all theories are underdetermined, dontcha know? If I changed my mind every time some new sextillionth of information came to light, I'd end up as mad as you.

You can do that. But If you did then you'd be at 50/50. So lets focus on the bowling ball, shall we?

Those sextillions aren't information, it's just data.
Collecting data is not the same thing as evaluating data, so I haven't changed my mind even once yet.

You've done it at least one, Mr 49/51

So tell us about your bowling ball.

[Will Bouwman]

Ah, another edit. You really should think before you post.

So care to share why the bumble bee fart swayed you, Mr 49/51?

As you can see above, I do not claim a bee's fart will sway me. You're the one it knocks over.

Because I am still stuck at 50/50 and the bumble bee fart didn't sway me.

Oh but it might:

49.9/51.1 wouldn't topple me.

But 49/51 just breaks the camel's back.

In proportion to all the other cosmic evidence that is...

Mad as a box of frogs.

[Skepdick]

Ah, another edit. You really should think before you post.

So care to share why the bumble bee fart swayed you, Mr 49/51?

As you can see above, I do not claim a bee's fart will sway me. You're the one it knocks over.

Yes, indeed. Even a bee fart would sway me (future tense), and yet I haven't been swayed yet! In mathematics, we call the beefart ε.
It's an infinitesimal.

Must have been quite the explosion that swayed (past tense) you Mr 49/51. A pre-supposition of a Big Bang, perhaps? Who knows...
It's mighty suspicious to me that the Big Bang goes exactly where a Mathematician would put an axiom/assumption... right at "the beginning".

Maybe you don't have any intuition for how infinite of a difference there is between the 1 that swayed you and the ε that would say me.
Your entire ignorance; as well as The Big Bang and our universe would be swallowed by the chasm and there would still be plenty room.

49.9/51.1 wouldn't topple me.
But 49/51 just breaks the camel's back.

It's all the same really. It's just fractions.

1 of ε would topple me: (50 - ε) / (50 + ε)
1 of 1 toppled you: (50 -1) / (50 + 1)

Mad as a box of frogs.

Naah, man. I just understand the Mathematical difference between "big" and "small". It's just proportions.

ω is big.
ε is small.

1/ε = ω/1
1/small = big/1

1 is small relative to ε
1 is big relative to ω

1 all by itself it's neither big nor small; and relative to 49 or 51 it's way more than a beefart.

No wonder I can't find you anywhere on the fence, you've confused the entire tennis court for the net...

[Skepdick]

Ah, another edit. You really should think before you post.

So care to share why the bumble bee fart swayed you, Mr 49/51?

As you can see above, I do not claim a bee's fart will sway me. You're the one it knocks over.

Because I am still stuck at 50/50 and the bumble bee fart didn't sway me.

Oh but it might:

49.9/51.1 wouldn't topple me.

But 49/51 just breaks the camel's back.

In proportion to all the other cosmic evidence that is...

Mad as a box of frogs.

I don't think you even understand where we are in terms of the weighing scale we are using, Willus Ignoramus.

I am operating from the Hyperreal numbers where the standard part function maps your so-called fence (or any number infinitesimally close to it) to the real number 0.5 <=> 50/50.

And then...

In the hyperreal line every real number has a collection of numbers (called a monad, or halo) of hyperreals infinitely close to it.

Please explain to me how and why you think 49/51 is anywhere near the halo of 0.5?

Because monad(0.5) is the fucking fence.

So you see, Mr 49/51 - I don't have to worry about bee farts, but I do have to worry about infinite (im)probabilities.

Such as performing scientific reductions on a potentially infinitely complex universe in a finite amount of time.

[Will Bouwman]

...I do not claim a bee's fart will sway me. You're the one it knocks over.

Yes, indeed. Even a bee fart would sway me (future tense), and yet I haven't been swayed yet!

You have either lost the thread, or you have lost the plot. In other words you are a bit dim, or at least slightly bonkers. If you have forgotten that this is about the level of certainty at which we each commit to a belief, you have lost the thread. If you actually change your beliefs on the strength of a bee's fart at 40 paces, or even think you can persuade me that this is so, you have lost the plot.
So which is it? Are you a bit dim, or at least slightly bonkers?

1 of ε would topple me: (50 - ε) / (50 + ε)

That is absurd. You've lost the plot.

1 of 1 toppled you: (50 -1) / (50 + 1)

No it didn't. You've lost the thread.

Whaddya know? It's both.

[Gary Childress]

SAVE THE THREAD!!!!!!!!

[Skepdick]

...I do not claim a bee's fart will sway me. You're the one it knocks over.

Yes, indeed. Even a bee fart would sway me (future tense), and yet I haven't been swayed yet!

You have either lost the thread, or you have lost the plot. In other words you are a bit dim, or at least slightly bonkers. If you have forgotten that this is about the level of certainty at which we each commit to a belief, you have lost the thread. If you actually change your beliefs on the strength of a bee's fart at 40 paces, or even think you can persuade me that this is so, you have lost the plot.
So which is it? Are you a bit dim, or at least slightly bonkers?

Forgotten this?!?! This is exactly what I am talking about, you ignoramus.

HOW did you calculate your certainty? If the baseline is the fence: monad(0.5), then HOW did you get to 0.9607843137254902 !???!!

That's a heavy bowling ball you are holding there. Wanna tell us about it?

1 of ε would topple me: (50 - ε) / (50 + ε)

That is absurd. You've lost the plot.

No, it's not. It's just probability theory. You can think of ε (infinitesimals) as the smallest unit/currency of certainty.

In your language - a "bee fart".

1 of 1 toppled you: (50 -1) / (50 + 1)

No it didn't. You've lost the thread.

Contradiction!

(50 -1) / ( 50 + 1) = 49/51

How far is this from the actual fence? Well... 49/50 - 0.5 = 0.4607843137254902

So what fucking fence are you on, liar?

[Gary Childress]

NASA to draw up treaty with Earth on condition from Earth that NASA doesn't destroy them.

SAVE THE EARTH!!!!!!!!

[Will Bouwman]

So what fucking fence are you on, liar?

Well, it was a toss up as to whether you are a bit dim, or slightly bonkers. Now I know it's both. Thank you for the laughs, but I feel I shouldn't mock the afflicted.