Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm
Skepdick wrote:The answer "nowhere" to the question "Where does the unicorn exist in the universe?" results in a contradiction.
But it is an answer, isn't it?
An answer is an answer.
A contradiction is a contradiction.
An answer is not a contradiction.
A contrqadiction is not an answer.

There are answers which CAUSE contradictions.
And there are answers which CAUSE clarity.

Do you not understand the difference?

An answer contains information. Information helps your interlocutor (ME) reduce my uncertainty.
I don't know where the unicorn is, but I know it's somewhere. So I ask "Where?"
When you say "Nowhere" you are doing the OPPOSITE of reducing my uncertainty - you are increasing my uncertainty to a maximum.
By telling me nowhere after also telling me that it exists somewhere you've left me with a contradiction in my head.

A something nothing.
A true falsity.
A positive negativity.
An existing non-existent.
A genius retard.

You have sabotaged the communication by increasing my uncertainty to a maximum. What the fuck am I supposed to DO with that?

You are causing havoc in other people's minds with your idiotic communication style.

Learn to communicate, manchild.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm Are you now going to stop saying that I didn't answer your question?
No.

An answer reduces uncertainty.
Your response increases uncertainty to a maximum - a contradiction!

There are answers which CAUSE contradictions.
And there are answers which CAUSE clarity.

Learn to communicate, manchild.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm
Contradicting yourself is not answering the question, imbecile.
An answer is an answer even if it contains a contradiction within itself or contradicts something previously said.
An answer is an answer is an answer.
A contradiction is a contradiction is a contradiction.

A contradiction is not an answer; and an answer is not a contradiction.

There are answers which CAUSE contradictions.
And there are answers which CAUSE clarity.

Do you understand that these are two different things, manchild?

Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm
You are talking about an existing unicorn that exists nowhere. Not even in your imagination.
I am not talking about existing unicorns ( and certainly not about "an existing unicorn". )
Yes you are. Using the word "unicorn" implies that somethign exists in your head which caused you to use the word "unicorn".

That is what the word "unicorn" represents.
That is what the word "unicorn" is refering to.

The idea/concept of a unicorn that is in your head.
The idea which you've expressed USING the word "unicorn".
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm I did not say "Unicorns that exist exist".
I said "Unicorns exist".
Fuck me. You are even dumber than I thought.

The very statement "Unicorn." implies THAT some unicorn exists somewhere.
Hence my question: Where.
If NO unicorn exists ANYWHERE then you wouldn't have used the word "unicorn".
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm You most definitely repeat yourself. In most cases, it's unnecessary and counter-productive, but you nonetheless do it while shifting the blame to the other side.
I am not "shifting it". YOU are to blame. Full stop.

Your incompetence in the act of communication is making you unintentionally sabotage your interlocutor's ability to understand what you are saying.

I am not causing contradictions with my words.
YOU are.
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm "It's not my fault, I am perfect. It's his fault. I don't have to adjust, all I have to do is be insane and keep doing one and the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. And even if I adjust, which I will never do, he won't understand it because he's incapable of understanding anything."
How do you expect me to adjust to you speaking in a self-contradictory manner?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm Have you tried proving your claim that we can't talk about things that don't exist?
Yes. A number of times already. It has been demonstrated to you that IF you attempt speaking about something which doesn't exist anywhere in the universe then it necessarily results in a contradiction.

To use the word "unicorn" without a prior cause (such a concept, or an idea, or intent) is to insist that your words are an uncaused cause.

Do you think you are God, or something?
Magnus Anderson wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:00 pm But before, you should explain to us what it means to say that someone is talking about things that don't exist.
It means nothing! Literally - nothing.

To use a term without a referent is to use a term vacuous of any meaning.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:01 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:52 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:14 pm
It's also possible that your brain would be capable of the abstract/concrete distinction, but your mother tongue lacks the abstract, for example I think some African languages lack it. So maybe you never learned to use that. Is any of the below your mother tongue?
The number of imbecilles just doubled. I am perfectly aware of the abstract/concrete distinction.

I am also aware of the ever-present source of confusion and bias in communication where the concrete exists and the abstract doesn't.

The purpose of the WHERE? question is two-fold.

1. I forces you to place yourself IN the map.
2. It forces you to locate the abstract concept YOU are talking about IN the map; and in your head.

Because everything exists. Abstract/concrete - doesn't fucking matter!

It's called reification. It's the act of concretizing the abstract.
You've never been able to grasp the abstract/concrete distinction, it's a major deficit, look I just asked what your mother tongue is.
You've never been able to grasp that speech-act of reification erases the distinction.

My mother tongue is Cyrillic, so unless you are chinese/japanese it's practically guaranteed that I my language has more built-in complexity/abstraction than yours.

I only live in Africa, wasn't born here.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:11 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:01 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:52 pm
The number of imbecilles just doubled. I am perfectly aware of the abstract/concrete distinction.

I am also aware of the ever-present source of confusion and bias in communication where the concrete exists and the abstract doesn't.

The purpose of the WHERE? question is two-fold.

1. I forces you to place yourself IN the map.
2. It forces you to locate the abstract concept YOU are talking about IN the map; and in your head.

Because everything exists. Abstract/concrete - doesn't fucking matter!

It's called reification. It's the act of concretizing the abstract.
You've never been able to grasp the abstract/concrete distinction, it's a major deficit, look I just asked what your mother tongue is.
You've never been able to grasp that speech-act of reification erases the distinction.

My mother tongue is Cyrillic, so unless you are chinese/japanese it's practically guaranteed that I my language has more built-in complexity/abstraction than yours.

I only live in Africa, wasn't born here.
Hm if it's Cyrillic then that's probably not it then. Which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:14 pm Hm if it's Cyrillic then that's probably not it then. Which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
Mathematics.
BASIC
Pascal
C++
Python
Ruby

And English.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:15 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:14 pm Hm if it's Cyrillic then that's probably not it then. Which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
Mathematics.
Awesome but which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:16 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:15 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:14 pm Hm if it's Cyrillic then that's probably not it then. Which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
Mathematics.
Awesome but which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
What confused you about the language I gave as an answer?
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:18 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:16 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:15 pm
Mathematics.
Awesome but which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
What confused you about the language I gave as an answer?
Well whatever, you would be lucky if it would just a language problem, and you could catch up with the world. But guess not. Brain damage it is..
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:21 pm Well whatever, you would be lucky if it would just a language problem, and you could catch up with the world. But guess not. Brain damage it is..
Yes, I am perfectly aware that most people never think that they are the problem... so you must manufacture a fault with me.

But do you have a point other than demonstrating how projection works as a defense mechanism?
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:21 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:18 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:16 pm
Awesome but which language did you use the most when you were growing up?
What confused you about the language I gave as an answer?
Well whatever, you would be lucky if it would just a language problem, and you could catch up with the world. But guess not. Brain damage it is..
Have I ever refered you to this essay?

The Intelletual yet Idiot (IYI)
The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:25 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:21 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:18 pm
What confused you about the language I gave as an answer?
Well whatever, you would be lucky if it would just a language problem, and you could catch up with the world. But guess not. Brain damage it is..
Have I ever refered you to this essay?

The Intelletual yet Idiot (IYI)
The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited.
I'm sure whatever you have to say, will be greatly appreciated by the non-abstract-thinking smart peo.. oh wait they don't exist.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:29 pm I'm sure whatever you have to say, will be greatly appreciated by the non-abstract-thinking smart peo.. oh wait they don't exist.
So you don't know of any non-abstract thinking smart people? Shame. I know plenty of those.

You don't believe in some stupid idea such as general inteligence, do you?

People specialize to their problem-domain.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:29 pm I'm sure whatever you have to say, will be greatly appreciated by the non-abstract-thinking smart peo.. oh wait they don't exist.
So you don't know of any non-abstract thinking smart people? Shame. I know plenty of those.
I'm sure you think you do :)
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:34 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:29 pm I'm sure whatever you have to say, will be greatly appreciated by the non-abstract-thinking smart peo.. oh wait they don't exist.
So you don't know of any non-abstract thinking smart people? Shame. I know plenty of those.
I'm sure you think you do :)
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm You don't believe in some stupid idea such as general inteligence, do you?

People specialize to their problem-domain.
Why would you think that you, some random dude on a philosophy forum, have any smarts about abstraction? Philosophy surrendered that expercise to the formal sciences long ago.
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:40 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:34 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm
So you don't know of any non-abstract thinking smart people? Shame. I know plenty of those.
I'm sure you think you do :)
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm You don't believe in some stupid idea such as general inteligence, do you?

People specialize to their problem-domain.
Why would you think that you, some random dude on a philosophy forum, have any smarts about abstraction? Philosophy surrendered that expercise to the formal sciences long ago.
Does it annoy you when I reply before you are finished with your 62 edits of your text?
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Re: Mlodinow: We Invent the Laws of Nature

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Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:42 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:40 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:34 pm
I'm sure you think you do :)
Skepdick wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:33 pm You don't believe in some stupid idea such as general inteligence, do you?

People specialize to their problem-domain.
Why would you think that you, some random dude on a philosophy forum, have any smarts about abstraction? Philosophy surrendered that expercise to the formal sciences long ago.
Does it annoy you when I reply before you are finished with your 62 edits of your text?
No, only numbers above 83 which divide by 17 annoy me.
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