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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:06 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:37 pm"Impossible" simply means NOT possible. And I say that it's NOT possible because I haven't seen anybody do it.
Oh I see. Well in that case, my regards to your NOT possible wife and her NOT possible pregnancy.
You haven't seen a woman fall pregnant before? How was your daughter born? Are you even her father?!?

It's so peculiar that you can't point out any person; or the work of any person who has done this thing you believe is possible 🤷‍♂️

It's almost like it's neither testable nor reproducible, so how do you know?

Mean while making babies is definitely reproducible, and I am pretty sure I've got the know-how. Do you need the details?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:40 pm Morals are extrasomatic means by which natural tendancies are controlled by society/culture.

We are all born with natural tendancies, like all animals. In the most simple formulation the tendancies that are relevant to moral considerations are those tendancies which govern or at least suggest the way animals treat their fellows, against they way they might treat an threat or prey.
Dogs co-operate in packs, bird flock together, as to sheep and most other grazing species. On the other hand lions and Hyeneas also co-operate to pray upon such species, wheras TIgers are more likely, in common with the domestic cat to be solitary.
IN this way nature has provided a wide range of strategies.
Humans are co-operative species. And in most people there is a tendancy to join with others for mutual aid. But inheritability being what it is, there is also a minority which is capable of exploiting that co-operation; psychopathy. Many CEOs and political leaders have this tendancy.
HUman variation is a bugger

Humans use langague to evolve and communicate such tendancies. Morals are codes of conduct developed and modifed continually through culture.
Morals are, then, so obviously relative to situations , history, culture, and social position.

As you can see, as a naturalist. I have not seen the need to mention god here at any point.

So, whilst I would love to be pissed off. I'll not hold my breath just yet.
Persuasive definition fallacy
natural /ˈnatʃ(ə)rəl/ adjective 1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
If morals are "extrasomatic" then where did they come from? If humans played any part in creating those extrasomatic control mechanisms they are not natural.
learn to read then fuck off.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:24 pm learn to read then fuck off.
Note to self? That's a great self-awareness you are showing there, Sculptor. I am so proud of you.

Once you learn to read you can try to understand my response to you; and why your reasoning is fallacious, then you are welcome to fuck off.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:13 pmIt's so peculiar that you can't point out any person; or the work of any person who has done this thing you believe is possible 🤷‍♂️
Ah, that's what you don't understand. Not knowing whether something is possible, is not the same as asserting it is impossible. That's why
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:55 amP1. It's impossible to derrive morals from nature.
is unsound.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:38 pm Ah, that's what you don't understand. Not knowing whether something is possible, is not the same as asserting it is impossible.
Aaaah, That's what you don't understand. Not knowing whether something is possible is exactly the same as asserting a belief of it being impossible.

I believe that it's impossible. And I have no counter-evidence for my belief despite elaborate and exhaustive attempts to acquire such evidence.

My belief stands scientifically unfalsified, you see - so i have no reason to believe that it is possible.
Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:38 pm That's why
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:55 amP1. It's impossible to derrive morals from nature.
is unsound.
You have no reason to assert such a belief without any evidence for unsoundness. Do you have any evidence for unsoundness? A counter-example perhaps?

Dumb philosopher of science doesn't actually know how to DO science.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:50 pmNot knowing whether something is possible is exactly the same as asserting a belief of it being impossible.
If you believe that, then you are an idiot.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:54 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:50 pmNot knowing whether something is possible is exactly the same as asserting a belief of it being impossible.
If you believe that, then you are an idiot.
Then I am an idiot.

Where is your evidence for believing otherwise?

Spot the atheist double standards creeping up! It's fucking hilarious.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:56 pmI am an idiot.

Where is your evidence for believing otherwise?
None.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:57 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:56 pmI am an idiot.

Where is your evidence for believing otherwise?
None.
Hahahha. Fucking gold.
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:56 pm Spot the atheist double standards creeping up! It's fucking hilarious.
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:58 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:57 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:56 pmI am an idiot.

Where is your evidence for believing otherwise?
None.
Hahahha. Fucking gold.
You're the one providing the evidence. What have you got that shows you are not an idiot?
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:07 pm You're the one providing the evidence. What have you got that shows you are not an idiot?
The fact that I understand how hypothesis testing works and you don't?

The fact that you don't understand that negation is the foundation of epistemology?
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:08 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:07 pm You're the one providing the evidence. What have you got that shows you are not an idiot?
The fact that I understand how hypothesis testing works and you don't?
That's your hypothesis. Show me how you test it.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:10 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:08 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:07 pm You're the one providing the evidence. What have you got that shows you are not an idiot?
The fact that I understand how hypothesis testing works and you don't?
That's your hypothesis. Show me how you test it.
Any hypothesis of impossibility is trivially tested by attempting to disprove it.

Did you succeed at doing that which is believed to be impossible? No? Well, it's still impossible.

All it needs is one counter-example and we get to change the label from "impossible" to "possible", say that were were wrong and pat ourselves on the back for having learned how to do something new.... And you don't have it.

If this weren't a philosophy website but a proffessional setting where I have to work with you, by now I would've abandoned all hope that you can be reasoned with and made to see your error. Instead I would've simply switched gears to "people management".
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Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:15 pmIf this weren't a philosophy website but a proffessional setting where I have to work with you, by now I would've abandoned all hope that you can be reasoned with and made to see your error. Instead I would've simply switched gears to "people management".
And that's why you still live with your mother.
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Will Bouwman wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:25 pm
Skepdick wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:15 pmIf this weren't a philosophy website but a proffessional setting where I have to work with you, by now I would've abandoned all hope that you can be reasoned with and made to see your error. Instead I would've simply switched gears to "people management".
And that's why you still live with your mother.
That's demonstrably bullshit. Just like atheism/naturalism.
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