The American Republic has Ended, What Next?

[Wizard22]

I am of the opinion that I shouldn't form opinions on things that don't matter to me.

And most things don't matter to me.

it makes it difficult to hold conversation with/debate against you...

No, that's 100% intentional. I don't really know how to explain it to you any other way...

Debating/arguing is a silly sport. And especially the way you engage in it - it's the dumbest way of debating possible.

If you try to drag me into a sport I don't want to play, I have no choice but to discourage you from playing. So I steal your dumb strategy and use it against you. If it's good enough for you - it's good enough against you too.

I think you're nihilistic and enjoy arguing purely for the sake of arguing.

It's not so fun, when you're not invested, though. That's like playing Poker online, without real money. Sure it might be fun for a kick. But it's not the same as gambling with your hard-earned cash. I prefer the real thing—where people have stakes on the line. That's the difference between philosophy and philosophy-as-hobby.

[FlashDangerpants]

If he hasn't done anything wrong, and the accusation are both unjust and baseless, he can easily secure acquitals in all the cases long before the election.

Unless you want to up the conspiracy theory game with a complaint that all the judges have been bought and a mere billionaire cannot get a fair day in court?

There's no reason to believe that liberal-leftists, who don't know how many biological genders there are, will be capable of ruling fairly or justly against President Trump.

I mean if your kind and kindred are willing to lie that maliciously about Sex, then why should you be trusted in any other area of life?

That's a non-answer. Trump will make multiple motions to dismiss all these cases. If the cases are baseless he will get the cases thrown out, and if one appeals court fails him, there is a clear reason for the next one up to overrule them. Unless the courts all rule that the cases aren't baseless as you describe them being?

So, do you need to add another layer of conspiracy theory to account for this? Or is there maybe some base after all?

[Skepdick]

I think you're nihilistic and enjoy arguing purely for the sake of arguing.

I am also the one arguing for the objectivity of morality, so you'll have to double-check your reasoning about my nihilism.

It's not so fun, when you're not invested, though. That's like playing Poker online, without real money.

It's more like playing poker against a billionaire when your chip stack is $1000.

They don't give a shit about "winning" or "losing" your measly $1000 - they are wasting their time either way.

Sure it might be fun for a kick. But it's not the same as gambling with your hard-earned cash. I prefer the real thing—where people have stakes on the line. That's the difference between philosophy and philosophy-as-hobby.

No, you don't. Quit lying to yourself. There are no stakes for you in your style of argumentation. You can (and you do) say whatever the fuck you want without any consequences for being "right" or "wrong". That's why philosophy is stupid. It has no skin in the game.

You don't even consider that the exact mindset you ambody is the sort of mindset which encourages the conspiracy loons in feeling justified in their bad decisions.

Now that's nihilism. Refusing to acknowledge that your behaviour is hamful.

[Wizard22]

That's a non-answer. Trump will make multiple motions to dismiss all these cases. If the cases are baseless he will get the cases thrown out, and if one appeals court fails him, there is a clear reason for the next one up to overrule them. Unless the courts all rule that the cases aren't baseless as you describe them being?

So, do you need to add another layer of conspiracy theory to account for this? Or is there maybe some base after all?

Is Trump guilty...or is Trump guilty?

Your "question" is far worse than my answer. Have you ever considered actually offering two sides to your "questions"?

[Wizard22]

That's why philosophy is stupid. It has no skin in the game.

Now here is your projection.

Whether I like it or not, I've been born and live as an American Citizen. So the OP has to matter to me. It doesn't have to matter to you, and it doesn't, and it shows.

If you won't offer your opinion, then yes you indeed are wasting both our time. Why can't you take a simple stance on...anything? Scared you might lose something for real?

[Skepdick]

That's why philosophy is stupid. It has no skin in the game.

Now here is your projection.

Whether I like it or not, I've been born and live as an American Citizen. So the OP has to matter to me. It doesn't have to matter to you, and it doesn't, and it shows.

So you lied when you said "The American Republic has Ended, What Next?"

Because that's the sort of question you ask when you've moved on from the American Republic. It's ended - so why bother with it?

If you won't offer your opinion, then yes you indeed are wasting both our time. Why can't you take a simple stance on...anything? Scared you might lose something for real?

The exact opposite actually. I stand nothing to gain from holding an opinion on matters that don't matter.

So why do it?

[Wizard22]

So you lied when you said "The American Republic has Ended, What Next?"

Because that's the sort of question you ask when you've moved on from the American Republic. It's ended - so why bother with it?

It isn't a lie—it's hypothetical. And so far, very few responses in this thread signal that the American Republic is still alive, or should be. That's why I want and wanted outsiders' perspectives.

Maybe the world doesn't believe in America anymore, if it ever did in the first place?

The exact opposite actually. I stand nothing to gain from holding an opinion on matters that don't matter.

So why do it?

As I said, whether other countries like it or not, what happens in America, tends to proliferate throughout the rest of Western Civilization, including even South Africa.

Would Apartheid been possible without Western intervention?

[Skepdick]

So you lied when you said "The American Republic has Ended, What Next?"

Because that's the sort of question you ask when you've moved on from the American Republic. It's ended - so why bother with it?

It isn't a lie—it's hypothetical.

So you don't actually hold that position? So you lied about the position you are holding?

[FlashDangerpants]

That's a non-answer. Trump will make multiple motions to dismiss all these cases. If the cases are baseless he will get the cases thrown out, and if one appeals court fails him, there is a clear reason for the next one up to overrule them. Unless the courts all rule that the cases aren't baseless as you describe them being?

So, do you need to add another layer of conspiracy theory to account for this? Or is there maybe some base after all?

Is Trump guilty...or is Trump guilty?

Your "question" is far worse than my answer. Have you ever considered actually offering two sides to your "questions"?

You said the cases are baseless. If they are baseless then Trump should easily win all his cases by simply getting them dismissed for insufficiency of evidence or inadequacies of law. This is usually all handled in pre-trial motions is it not?

So why are you concerned? You do expect Trump to easily walk on all these cases, surely?

If not, please explain which conspiracies are involved in all the judges not dismissing the cases, and then all the appeals courts not overruling them?

[Wizard22]

So you don't actually hold that position? So you lied about the position you are holding?

I think you're forgetting, once again, when I said that I don't know if the American Republic should be saved, let alone it can be saved.

[Wizard22]

You said the cases are baseless. If they are baseless then Trump should easily win all his cases by simply getting them dismissed for insufficiency of evidence or inadequacies of law. This is usually all handled in pre-trial motions is it not?

So why are you concerned? You do expect Trump to easily walk on all these cases, surely?

If not, please explain which conspiracies are involved in all the judges not dismissing the cases, and then all the appeals courts not overruling them?

The persecution and incrimination of Democratically elected opposition, is already criminal since it undoes the Democratic process.

How can you claim to be Pro-Democracy, while simultaneously trying to jail your political opponents?

Answer the question already.

[FlashDangerpants]

You said the cases are baseless. If they are baseless then Trump should easily win all his cases by simply getting them dismissed for insufficiency of evidence or inadequacies of law. This is usually all handled in pre-trial motions is it not?

So why are you concerned? You do expect Trump to easily walk on all these cases, surely?

If not, please explain which conspiracies are involved in all the judges not dismissing the cases, and then all the appeals courts not overruling them?

The persecution and incrimination of Democratically elected opposition, is already criminal since it undoes the Democratic process.

How can you claim to be Pro-Democracy, while simultaneously trying to jail your political opponents?

Answer the question already.

Your question is a bit of an unintelligible rant, but in general anyone whi has committed a felony should go to prison for their criminal activities, including Bill Clinton if he did rapes, and DJ Trump if he did all this stuff he's being charged with. The law should apply to all criminals in accord with due process.

There is no provision under any US legal code to send somebody to prison for being just bad or being a person the president wishes to imprison.
The accusations are always that specific legal codes have been breached with criminal intent. Trump is charged at present with multiple counts of stealing national security documents, hiding national security documents, showing national security documements to persons unauthorised to view such material. He's accused of multiple counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice by hiding them. Things like this are defined crimes under US statute, if you do them, you are committing felonies.

Now answer my questions:

You said the cases are baseless. If they are baseless then Trump should easily win all his cases by simply getting them dismissed for insufficiency of evidence or inadequacies of law. This is usually all handled in pre-trial motions is it not?

So why are you concerned? You do expect Trump to easily walk on all these cases, surely?

If not, please explain which conspiracies are involved in all the judges not dismissing the cases, and then all the appeals courts not overruling them?

[FlashDangerpants]

... is already criminal since it undoes the Democratic process.

Incidentally, sending fake electors on Jan 6th was a conspiracy to undo the democratic process. So Trump, if invovled, would be a criminal by your own standards.

[Wizard22]

Your question is a bit of an unintelligible rant, but in general anyone whi has committed a felony should go to prison for their criminal activities, including Bill Clinton if he did rapes, and DJ Trump if he did all this stuff he's being charged with. The law should apply to all criminals in accord with due process.

Yeah, it "should" apply to all criminals, but it doesn't. So your point is moot.

Democrats are using Injustice since they're out of tools dealing with the likes of Donald Trump.

There is no provision under any US legal code to send somebody to prison for being just bad or being a person the president wishes to imprison.
The accusations are always that specific legal codes have been breached with criminal intent. Trump is charged at present with multiple counts of stealing national security documents, hiding national security documents, showing national security documements to persons unauthorised to view such material. He's accused of multiple counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice by hiding them. Things like this are defined crimes under US statute, if you do them, you are committing felonies.

Now answer my questions:

You said the cases are baseless. If they are baseless then Trump should easily win all his cases by simply getting them dismissed for insufficiency of evidence or inadequacies of law. This is usually all handled in pre-trial motions is it not?

So why are you concerned? You do expect Trump to easily walk on all these cases, surely?

If not, please explain which conspiracies are involved in all the judges not dismissing the cases, and then all the appeals courts not overruling them?

Did I not already answer this? Liberals-Leftists-Marxists-Socialists-Democrats, they have political connections, and ties to prosecutors, lawyers, and judges. The Biden Department of Justice has no intent to give Trump a "fair trial", because there is no "fairness" from the predicate, from the premise. The premise is that Trump is 'guilty' (which is Unjust), and Democrats, the Left, you, others like you, only seek to find the means to imprison.

You have proved that you are partial, not impartial. You have no real cause for Justice or Fairness. If you did, then you would respect the precedent of US history.

You would be respectful of your rightful President, Trump.

Incidentally, sending fake electors on Jan 6th was a conspiracy to undo the democratic process. So Trump, if invovled, would be a criminal by your own standards.

Congressional Electors are legal according to the US Constitution.

Trump wouldn't need to "undo" the 2020 Election if Democrats voted fairly. Instead they used all manners of fraud possible—it was the only way they could "win". January 6th protestors were justified in their actions, seeing how criminally negligent the 2020 Election was.

Leave it to you and Democrats, to shut down an Election in progress, to 'find' more votes at 3 and 4am, because Biden was losing the night of the election, against Trump.


How many times will I have to remind you and the other TDS sufferers of this?

[commonsense]

Political campaigns attempt to win elections.
Political campaigns do not attempt to increase an opponent’s chances of winning.
Funds are needed to buy TV ads, among other things.
More funds mean more TV ads.
More ads mean better chance of winning.

You can do the rest.

You're ignoring the apparent, palpable, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

These lunatics want to see him destroyed and desecrated. They are too emotional to consider the positive ramifications of arresting Trump, ultimately will lead him to Democratic Victory. You're implying a rationalization that the liberal-let, simply does not have...so you're wrong.

It’s still not political, wiz.