The American Republic has Ended, What Next?

[Skepdick]

...The State...

Ahh, that monolithic entity made of sheer will, focus and determination. Acting in unison. Out in full force to ruin poor Trump's life. What chance does the poor Orange man stand against The Corrupt Machine?

The manifest fear of every loon who thinks the world works top-down from some locus of absolute control.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Hilarious that the wonkers on here would be so clueless and lacking in self awareness as to complain about anyone using ad hominems instead of reasoned debate. Wonker 'arguments' consist ENTIRELY of ad hominems.

''Bigot. ----phobe. Racist. Nazi. Fascist. Genocider. blah blah blah..'' Hmm. Sound familiar?

[Wizard22]

Anyone who thinks these indictments are politically motivated ought to consider that the ex-president gains funds throughout his legal woes. What political strategy is intended to assist the opposition with fundraising?

That's a horribly irrational argument—is that your final answer?

[Wizard22]

Then let them look at things unfairly. Fairness has nothing to do with prosecuting cases which can be prosecuted. The system's made out of people. People who want to make reputations.

People with political investments and convictions. People with much to gain and lose.

It's as reputable to convict a Republican president; as it is to convict a Deomcrat president.

If you believe "Justice is Blind" in the context of this thread, then the onus is upon to you to present and pretend how exactly Republicans have equal footing to criminally charge their Democrat adversaries.

Who controls the US Department of Justice? What is his personal vendetta against Trump based on, do you even know???

How about them? Build the case. Collect the evidence. Give it to the prosecutor.

You understand how the system works, yes? Lubricate it towards the result you want if you have the evidence.

And if it doesn't happen - oh well. Democracy is fallible, right?

Do you know, that on Hunter Biden's laptop, there were recorded messages of Hunter urging and persuading Joe to run for president in 2020, because he was in such bad shape legally, that he needed presidential political immunity to keep himself out of jail???

Probably not, because you're generally uninformed about a lot of things.

I am still not sure what to do with this information. Suppose it's true.

And then?

You're deluded, either childishly naïve or simply ignorant about US politics and lawfare in general.

Aren't you from South Africa? How old are you?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

''Male rapists should not be in women's prisons because it presents a danger to the female inmates and there are many cases of female prisoners being raped by males who claim to 'identify' as women. Here is a list of the many cases of this happening...''

''Waah, waah waah, you're a BIGOT and a TRANSPHOBE and you're trying to 'genocide me' waah, waah...'' Then the head-butting starts

[Wizard22]

So you want there to be permanent immunity from prosecution for all politicians? What about all the "lock her up" stuff for Hillary?

Using past precedent, the US political factions did not incriminate and jail each other. I would like that to continue. However that seems far less likely, given what is happening, and the rationalizations you use to justify it. Trump was foolish to threaten Hillary as such, but as already mentioned, following-through with rhetoric into executive action, is not the same as rhetoric. You seem unable to tell the difference?

What if there turns out to be proof that Bill Clinton and Donal Trump both went to that Epstein sex island and banged underage prostitutes?

Pedophilia is a Leftist-Liberal-Democrat crime. Trump walked through Miss America and Miss Universe pageants. He had/has no interest in children.

It seems you can't tell the difference between men who lust after adults (women) versus children (girls). Trump was the most eligible bachelor in the United States for a long time. Only desperate and mentally ill men, target prepubescent girls. Furthermore, Epstein mostly targeted US Statesmen and politicians for blackmail. Trump outed Epstein as a pervert, in a recorded incident, where Trump shamed Epstein for targeting a friend's teenage daughter.

[Wizard22]

Real function = a function that is the true function, not what is stated in the charges. There very certainly is a “real function” and that is why the charges, and the timing, are recognized as unethical.

Exactly...

Anybody with COMMON SENSE (you reading this, commonsense?) can quickly discern that the timing of these prosecutions, alone, are grounds for removal of the charges. They are politically motivated, end of story.

[Skepdick]

If you believe "Justice is Blind" in the context of this thread, then the onus is upon to you to present and pretend how exactly Republicans have equal footing to criminally charge their Democrat adversaries.

Why? I am not framing the issue in an bi-partisan or adversarial context.

There are elements of the crime.
There's innocence until guilt is proven.
If the elements are satisfied guilt is proven.
The end.

Can this system be exploited for political purposes and used to prosecute some people more than others? Sure. That's a feature not a bug.

It's the rule of law and it's better than just having Trump whacked.

Who controls the US Department of Justice? What is his personal vendetta against Trump based on, do you even know???

Does any single person control the DoJ?

See my previous post about the delusions of centralized control and monolithic social institutions.

You're deluded, either childishly naïve or simply ignorant about US politics and lawfare in general.

Aren't you from South Africa? How old are you?

I am old enough to understand how the legal system works and to recognize that I don't give a shit when it targets people who brag about gaming the system and being a hustler.

If you are gonna be dumb - you gotta be tough.

[Wizard22]

Attempting to use fraud to disenfranchise millions of voters and overthrow democracy is also an unprecedented act, so getting into unprecedented trouble for it is only to be expected.

...so the Democrats who defrauded the 2020 election should be incriminated and legally punished then, right?

[Wizard22]

If you believe "Justice is Blind" in the context of this thread, then the onus is upon to you to present and pretend how exactly Republicans have equal footing to criminally charge their Democrat adversaries.

Why? I am not framing the issue in an bi-partisan or adversarial context.

There are elements of the crime.
There's innocence until guilt is proven.
If the elements are satisfied guilt is proven.
The end.

Can this system be exploited for political purposes and used to prosecute some people more than others? Sure. That's a feature not a bug.

It's the rule of law and it's better than just having Trump whacked.

Who controls the US Department of Justice? What is his personal vendetta against Trump based on, do you even know???

Does any single person control the DoJ?

See my previous post about the delusions of centralized control and monolithic social institutions.

You're deluded, either childishly naïve or simply ignorant about US politics and lawfare in general.

Aren't you from South Africa? How old are you?

I am old enough to understand how the legal system works and to recognize that I don't give a shit when it targets people who brag about gaming the system.

If you are gonna be dumb - you gotta be tough.

All your comments and responses in this thread have demonstrated is that 1) you don't know the US legal system, 2) your naïvety concerning politics is palpable.

The charges are political in nature. It's not about justice. It's not about bi-partisanship. It's about partisan political persecution, and the implications of failure in Democracy across the entire Western Civilization and across the entire planet. Basically, it seems this issue is over your head?

[Skepdick]

The charges are political in nature. It's not about justice. It's not about bi-partisanship. It's about partisan political persecution, and the implications of failure in Democracy across the entire Western Civilization and across the entire planet. Basically, it seems this issue is over your head?

I don't give a shit if it's about justice.

DId he break the law? Cool. Fuck him.
Is he innocent? Great. Good for him.

Everything else is your own political melodrama that I don't give a fuck about

Let due process take its course and determine an outcome - I don't really care to participate in the cangaroo court of public opinion.

In God/The System we trust

[Wizard22]

The Left today wants nothing to do with actual reason, evidence, science, history, identity, truth, logic, morality, tradition, text, data, etc. Why do you think they're working so hard to denigrate all these, and to purge the universities of their authority? It's because all these things are their enemies...and they know it, and they are deliberately trying to force the public to accept adjudication from emotion and propaganda, instead.

And so far, it has seemed to work quite well for them. And the mass media have been essential to their successes, so far.

I've noticed the growth and encroachment of Liberal-Leftism in the US public schools for my whole life. To their credit, they played and still play the long game. They infiltrated the Universities first, then local colleges, then public schools, and all with the aid of Hollywood propaganda and media takeover. Alternative media has somewhat slowed and hindered them, lately, so there are some avenues of resistance there. As you mention, the Socialistic pattern is obvious and telling—their intentions are ultimately to destroy all the values, morals, and laws which the United States of America were founded upon. They are closer and closer to doing so, everyday now.

Do you have any predictions on these indictments, the upcoming election, and ramifications? What can stop these Socialists?

[Wizard22]

The charges are political in nature. It's not about justice. It's not about bi-partisanship. It's about partisan political persecution, and the implications of failure in Democracy across the entire Western Civilization and across the entire planet. Basically, it seems this issue is over your head?

I don't give a shit if it's about justice.

DId he break the law? Cool. Fuck him.
Is he innocent? Great. Good for him.

Everything else is your own political melodrama that I don't give a fuck about

...arguing for the sake of arguing then, got it...

Let due process take its course and determine an outcome - I don't really care to participate in the cangaroo court of public opinion.

In God/The System we trust

[Skepdick]

Do you have any predictions on these indictments, the upcoming election, and ramifications? What can stop these Socialists?

Which socialists do you want to stop? The Red or Blue ones?

[Skepdick]

...arguing for the sake of arguing then, got it...

I don't know how else to explain it to you because clearly English is not working for you.

I don't argue. And what I am doing is NOT arguing. Because arguing is stupid - it reinforces bipartisanship, instils adversary and creates animosity.
Arguing and siding with your team instead of ordering a la carte is precisely what's wrong with your culture.

So why engage in such a stupid activity?

That's not very patriotic of you.