The American Republic has Ended, What Next?

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:16 pm You keep saying that. But I assign exactly zero import to lip service and general pontification which leads to nothing actionable.
You are within your rights to think snd opine as you see fit.

You seems to believe that something (in what I describe and recommend) is “actionable”. And the only action that I can see as being valid or useful (or productive?) is simply greater awareness, more understanding.

What other sort of action do you have in mind?
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:21 pm
Skepdick wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:16 pm You keep saying that. But I assign exactly zero import to lip service and general pontification which leads to nothing actionable.
You are within your rights to think snd opine as you see fit.

You seems to believe that something (in what I describe and recommend) is “actionable”. And the only action that I can see as being valid or useful (or productive?) is simply greater awareness, more understanding.

What other sort of action do you have in mind?
The awareness and understanding of God himself is worth fuckall if it doesn't elucidate a path forward.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:25 pm The awareness and understanding of God himself is worth fuckall if it doesn't elucidate a path forward.
Research, reading, listening, study and consideration — these will open a path forward. They are “the first steps”.

Here: Jonathan Turley offers an interesting angle.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:30 pm Research, reading, listening, study and consideration — these will open a path forward. They are “the first steps”.
That amounts to saying that you don't understand what the problem is; or if there is even a problem.

Defining the problem's half the solution and all that jazz...
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:32 pm That amounts to saying that you don't understand what the problem is; or if there is even a problem.
No, it doesn’t. The first order of business is seeing the “real function” of this persecution (my opinion) in an election cycle.

But the larger “ailment”, if indeed there is one, is a far larger topic.

There is definitely a “problem” though — and therefore the first order of business is seeing that problem.
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Wizard22 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:14 pm When Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi started repeating the mockingbird phrase "our democracy!" under Trump's presidency, they outed themselves, and I got clued into what they were referring to. They attempt to make themselves the political, cultural, social 'overclass'.
Yes, yes...that's exactly right.

When they use the phrase "a threat to our democracy," they do not mean "to the right of everybody (including 'deplorables') to vote in the way they wish: they mean, "these objectors are undermining our attempt to impose the will of [our Socialist] People." So "threat to democracy" means, for them, "threat to Socialism."
The problem with their shameless political power grab, is that they don't know what this implies between conservatives and liberals across Western Civilization. If they think Conservatives are just going to allow the West to create a two class system, Over and Under, they are mistaken. Conservatives won't go down without a fight. And liberals want a fight. The goading is leading to it. The provocations can only go so far.
But they're very much aware of this. And they don't want a fair fight on a level playing field. They'd lose, and they know they'd lose; because Socialism being a totalizing system, all it takes to defeat it is the presence of some dissent, some opting out, some people who refuse to go along with the social engineering they want to impose. This is precisely the purpose of their propaganda -- to bewilder and confuse opposition, but "co-opting" (that's their term) the moral language of conservatism and liberalism to serve their agenda. This is why ambiguous terms -- or rather, terms they to which they themselves have added a second ambiguous layer of meaning) such as "democracy," "the people," "equality-equity," "diversity," "inclusion," "oppression," and so on, are so vital to their strategy. An unconfused populace would refuse them: a confused one may go along with them, especially if the Socialists can convince everybody they've got the moral high ground on their side.

This is not at all speculation. It's very deliberate. For anyone who doubts, may I commend a short reading of either Alinsky or the more recent, updated pro-Socialist strategy manual, titled "Beautiful Trouble," by Andrew Boyd.
Trump, January 6th, the Antifa-BLM riots...these are all symptoms of what's coming, not what once was.
Definitely so.
The Liberal-Left seem to now only govern with emotion, pathology, and have completely abandoned reason, rationality, to the Conservative-Right.
Don't underestimate the devilishness of that. It's not an accident, and not lunatic on their side. They are doing it deliberately, and for strategic reasons. As I said above, they know they'll lose on a level playing field. So they're making sure that all the things that can destroy them -- logic, science, reason, information, history, open dialogue, democracy, and so on, are simply pushed off the playing field before the "game" begins. And they have cunningly realized that most people operate far more on emotion than on reason; so they've seized the emotion side of the equation, and they're working it as hard as they can.

Why do you think they call the other side things like "oppressor," "wrong side of history," "unempathetic," "racist-sexist-homophobe-Islamophobe-fatphobe" or "Nazi"? These are not reasoned judgments aimed at imparting information to the public: these are incendiary bombs being dropped on the moral and emotional reactions of the public. It makes the public jump suddenly to their side, yelling, "I'm not that!" and not taking time or using reason to judge whether or not such claims are warranted at all.

The Left today wants nothing to do with actual reason, evidence, science, history, identity, truth, logic, morality, tradition, text, data, etc. Why do you think they're working so hard to denigrate all these, and to purge the universities of their authority? It's because all these things are their enemies...and they know it, and they are deliberately trying to force the public to accept adjudication from emotion and propaganda, instead.

And so far, it has seemed to work quite well for them. And the mass media have been essential to their successes, so far.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:11 pm Why do you think they call the other side things like "oppressor," "wrong side of history," "unempathetic," "racist-sexist-homophobe-Islamophobe-fatphobe" or "Nazi"?
Are you aware of the things that wizard22 has written on this site about Jews and black people?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:28 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:11 pm Why do you think they call the other side things like "oppressor," "wrong side of history," "unempathetic," "racist-sexist-homophobe-Islamophobe-fatphobe" or "Nazi"?
Are you aware of the things that wizard22 has written on this site about Jews and black people?
By speaking, I'm not being anybody's particular ally here. Only Leftists think in such partisan terms. I'm merely agreeing with a speaker in regard to those elements of his thinking he's got right. I don't know about the rest. And so far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with the political conversation we're actually having. But if he doesn't like Jews or blacks, then there's an area in which we're going to disagree as strongly as we agree about Leftist tactics.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:40 pm Only Leftists think in such partisan terms.
Impressively self-contradictory even by your standards.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:53 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:40 pm Only Leftists think in such partisan terms.
Impressively self-contradictory even by your standards.
Projection, on your part.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:11 pm The Left today wants nothing to do with actual reason, evidence, science, history, identity, truth, logic, morality, tradition, text, data, etc. Why do you think they're working so hard to denigrate all these, and to purge the universities of their authority?
Oh, you mean like...
Banning books
Banning women's health care
Banning teaching about slavery
Violating the separation of church and state
...etc...

Oh, WAIT... those are examples of the Republican camp 'wanting nothing to do with actual reason, evidence, science, history, identity, truth, logic, morality, tradition, text, data, etc.'
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:11 pm It's because all these things are their enemies...and they know it, and they are deliberately trying to force the public to accept adjudication from emotion and propaganda, instead.
That does sound like the Republican camp, yes.
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:11 pmAnd so far, it has seemed to work quite well for them. And the mass media have been essential to their successes, so far.
As successful as all the right-wing media and propaganda?

Are you just baiting people with your extremist nonsense, or do you actually believe it?
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Lacewing wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:14 pm Banning books (translation: no sexually explicit material in children's libraries)
Banning women's health care (translation: no murdering babies)
Banning teaching about slavery (translation: knowing enough history not to be fooled by the 1619 scam)
Violating the separation of church and state (translation: expecting basic morals from people, instead of letting them do these things)
Guilty on all charges. 8)

But I'm non-political about it, and will only act if somebody else's human rights are being violated...so you're perfectly safe.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:40 pm By speaking, I'm not being anybody's particular ally here. Only Leftists think in such partisan terms. I'm merely agreeing with a speaker in regard to those elements of his thinking he's got right. I don't know about the rest. And so far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with the political conversation we're actually having. But if he doesn't like Jews or blacks, then there's an area in which we're going to disagree as strongly as we agree about Leftist tactics.
A couple of comments

One, Flash seems to set himself up as the Though Police. However, because I was curious, I searched Wizard’s posts and find nothing offensive.

Two, it is completely fair game to talk about Jews, Jewish support for Israel, and the immense power and influence the organized Jewish political block — such as AIPAC — exert within the US and over US policy. The levelnof influence that Israel has through these political blocks is perverse.

In my view Judaism in and of itself can be fairly and honestly critiqued. Even Jewish identity has problematic elements — clannishness, separateness, factionalism — that can be talked about openly.

The politics of Israel have DIRECT BEARING on the well-being of the US (in my view negative overall) and open conversation should be allowed. Yet it is not, obviously.

Therefore, the “free speech” and free thought issue arises here very strongly.

When there is a people, or a State, that you cannot criticize for fear of loss of your reputation or your employment, right there you know that your rights have been assaulted.

Note as well: there are dozens of Israelis, non-Israeli Jews, and Gentiles, who have significant critiques of Judaism and general Jewish influence (again through political blocks) and that tells you something right there.

When you encounter things you cannot talk or think about, you should be aware that you are the subject of oppressive ideological control.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:37 pm
Lacewing wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:14 pm Banning books (translation: no sexually explicit material in children's libraries)
Banning women's health care (translation: no murdering babies)
Banning teaching about slavery (translation: knowing enough history not to be fooled by the 1619 scam)
Violating the separation of church and state (translation: expecting basic morals from people, instead of letting them do these things)
Guilty on all charges. 8)

But I'm non-political about it, and will only act if somebody else's human rights are being violated...so you're perfectly safe.
Those are excellent clarifications of the propaganda that has been swallowed hook, line, and sinker by the minions.
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Lacewing wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:14 pm Are you just baiting people with your extremist nonsense, or do you actually believe it?
My answer is that you need to do a lot more research. Then you would have enough of a platform to understand that many of IC’s references, and ideas, are valid and reasonable.

A better grasp of The Culture Wars would help you understand the perspective of ‘your enemies’.

No one here has any background at all in a counter-critical theory perspective. It shows!
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