The American Republic has Ended, What Next?

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commonsense wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:49 pmSeriously, please explain how Democrats, Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, are all much bigger criminals than Trump.
I just don't even know where to begin...

commonsense wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:49 pmAnd isn’t Trump allowed to run? Isn’t he running now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBuiEjcNkRc
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:57 pmYou are just making a fool of yourself.
Biden got 6 million more votes than Trump.
Like I said before - get a life.
You don't seem to know how the US electorate works, which is typical of your intelligence level.

Only a few key districts across the United States 'decided' the 2020 "election". And, not coincidentally, these were in Democrat-run Metropolises. Democrats are notorious for election cheating, with Trump, they had no reason not to.

Which is why they had to stop the 2020 Election, at midnight, because Trump was ahead by a long shot. You have selective-memory, in addition to your general ignorance.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:21 pmWhat does Amy Schumer have to do with it?
As for Obama..Ever heard of a country called Syria? Hillary Clinton, darling pet of wonkerdom, is a vile beast of a woman. A vicious, warmongering megalomaniac of the highest order.
It's weird the way people have this idea that Democrat presidents aren't as warmongering as Republican ones. Saint Kennedy was very much a warmonger. His brother Robert was by far the better person, in both his politics and personal life.
Harry Truman, mass-murdering killer and torturer of tens of thousands of children, was a Democrat.
Chuck Schumer, vege....
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promethean75 wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:49 amThese are excellent philosophical questions.
Indeed they are...unfortunately it's difficult to turn Age's autism back on-course.

It's like turning a fully loaded freighter ship in the middle of an Artic storm.
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wtf wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:32 amNone. The Republicans are squishes. Deep down they just want to be liked, and all the cool kids hate them. When they're in power they don't do anything at all.
Unfortunately, very true...

USA deserves a better class of Conservatives.
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Wizard22 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:45 am
Harbal wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:45 amI'm not "partisan"; I don't give a toss about the American political system. Even so, I am still alarmed at the thought of a country as powerful and influential as the USA having a complete idiot in charge. You gave a list of people you claim to be criminals; Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer. Five Democrats, and I only mentioned two Republicans, so you must be more than twice as biased as I am.
You do not have an impartial and equal view of Justice. You're unfit to weigh-in on these matters. Only bi-partisans and philosophically minded people, should weigh-in, who cannot be swayed heavily to one side or the other.
What an idiot you are. :D
Biden's more idiotic than Trump, with clear Dementia, which you and your ilk have to painfully ignore on a weekly basis, to avoid making complete fools of yourselves.
I know very little about Biden, but yes, he may well have dementia, and it would probably be irresponsible of him not to have it at his age. But I have no feelings about him either way. Trump, on the other hand, is a narcissistic moron, motivated purely by self interest. He is a loathsome creature with no ethical or moral sense whatsoever, and I find it remarkable that such a man could be allowed to become president of the USA. I believe in democracy, but surely there need to be some safeguards against the stupidity of the voting public.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:19 pmWhat is it that Trump and his supporters are "fighting" for? Are they fighting for better wages? Are they fighting for universal health care? Are they fighting against unfair discrimination? Are they fighting to stop potential ecological destruction? Are they fighting for something that "We the People" ought to be fighting for?

If we "drain the swamp", what is the "swamp" going to be filled with after Trump and his associates drain it, which won't need to be drained again?

Are "conservatives" fighting for progress or are "conservatives" fighting to hold onto the way things used to be? And at what point does "conservation" become "turning back the clock"?

Do we want to go back to be the America that took over this land from the indigenous natives? Do we want to go back to be the America that practiced segregation? Do we want to go back to the America that fought WW2 and ended up creating the atomic bomb which now threatens every living being on this planet? At what point has America been "great" that we need to do "again"?

Before "fighting", let's figure out what we are "fighting" for.
I think Conservatives in the US are fighting for the values they fought for in World War 2, and idolize (rightly so) the 1950s. I think Conservatives are stuck in that past, where oil was dirt cheap, housing was cheap, USA was mostly segregated, industry, commerce, technology were booming, everything felt safe, and American Culture was firmly established (before Cohen takeover of Hollywood).

But I do agree with your refutation. Conservatives need to look 'forward', not behind, or they will continue to lose ground in American society, power politics, culture, and the like.

Somebody like Elon Musk, would be a good example of a visionary making the right moves, getting humanity off the planet, and looking toward space.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:00 amI know very little about Biden, but yes, he may well have dementia, and it would probably be irresponsible of him not to have it at his age. But I have no feelings about him either way. Trump, on the other hand, is a narcissistic moron, motivated purely by self interest. He is a loathsome creature with no ethical or moral sense whatsoever, and I find it remarkable that such a man could be allowed to become president of the USA. I believe in democracy, but surely there need to be some safeguards against the stupidity of the voting public.
Why, because he's insulting, brash, and writes mean tweets?

I think most Anti-Trumpers know what they know of Trump through Western Media, which is severely skewed to the Liberal-Left. I bet most Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers would have an entirely different view of Trump, if they watched his interviews and press before he ran for office. In fact, before he toppled the Washington DC elitists, he was extremely popular and liked by the vast majority of Americans.

So why the 180 degree turn? How did the public go from adulation to visceral hatred so quickly? Isn't it interesting how the sheep turn direction so quickly when directed by their shepherd or dog barking at the flock?
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Wizard22 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:05 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:00 amI know very little about Biden, but yes, he may well have dementia, and it would probably be irresponsible of him not to have it at his age. But I have no feelings about him either way. Trump, on the other hand, is a narcissistic moron, motivated purely by self interest. He is a loathsome creature with no ethical or moral sense whatsoever, and I find it remarkable that such a man could be allowed to become president of the USA. I believe in democracy, but surely there need to be some safeguards against the stupidity of the voting public.
Why, because he's insulting, brash, and writes mean tweets?

I think most Anti-Trumpers know what they know of Trump through Western Media, which is severely skewed to the Liberal-Left. I bet most Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers would have an entirely different view of Trump, if they watched his interviews and press before he ran for office. In fact, before he toppled the Washington DC elitists, he was extremely popular and liked by the vast majority of Americans.

So why the 180 degree turn? How did the public go from adulation to visceral hatred so quickly? Isn't it interesting how the sheep turn direction so quickly when directed by their shepherd or dog barking at the flock?
He's a vile man. 🤢 🤮
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:35 pmPersonally, I think one good thing about America is that we have made progress toward being better in this world for all. We have the freedom to make changes to our laws. Other nations do and have done that also. It's something that all nations have to change for themselves. We can't change other nations the way we want them to be. (And they can't do that for us.) We have to let them change themselves. That's freedom. The "free" don't set others "free" when they fight their battles on their behalf. They make those others indentured servants.
Isn't Ukraine an indentured servant to US right now?

That doesn't seem so "free" to me. In fact, the price is soaked with blood.
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Harbal wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:10 amHe's a vile man. 🤢 🤮
Okay, so you're led by emotion, not reason, good to know...
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promethean75 wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:06 pmThe most tangible difference between america and others countries is that in america, if u aren't wealthy there are so many wealthy people with businesses providing jobs that u have to be a complete moron to not have one. Here's the thing. Even one of these American lower paying jobs provides more money and gives more spending power to the employee than the upper middle of the working classes in other countries.

All this is due to the industrial boom that america underwent after it's emancipation from the bloody king and his nefarious designs.

Basically the argument most used is this one: capitalism may have created immense wealth gaps but it also employed everyone who crossed the ocean or came on foot almost immediately, and has been doing so ever since.

So despite all the bad shit, capitalism pulled the modern western world into a vortex of mass production and employment that wasn't matched anywhere else in the wizzle.
Prom... that's sounding a little too pro-capital coming from you... should I be worried? :|
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Wizard22 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:14 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:10 amHe's a vile man. 🤢 🤮
Okay, so you're led by emotion, not reason, good to know...
What does it matter what I'm led by? I'm not American; I don't vote in your elections. I've seen enough Trump interviews and speeches to know he is an absolute fraud. You would have to be a total imbecile not to see through him, but it seems there is no shortage of imbeciles with voting rights.
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Wizard22 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:53 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:57 pmYou are just making a fool of yourself.
Biden got 6 million more votes than Trump.
Like I said before - get a life.
You don't seem to know how the US electorate works, which is typical of your intelligence level.

Only a few key districts across the United States 'decided' the 2020 "election". And, not coincidentally, these were in Democrat-run Metropolises. Democrats are notorious for election cheating, with Trump, they had no reason not to.

Which is why they had to stop the 2020 Election, at midnight, because Trump was ahead by a long shot. You have selective-memory, in addition to your general ignorance.
The electoral collage gives people in Wisconsin (red) 68 times the voting power of someone in California (blue).

The corrupt and out-of-date electoral system is a scan that favours Republicans.
Trump has was never ahead. in 2016 he was 3 million votes behind but only one because of the bad system.
in 2020 he was 6 million votes behind and lost, by a lot.
Your ignorance is astonishing.

Educate yourself.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/10-reaso ... _b_1971020
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Harbal wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:33 amWhat does it matter what I'm led by? I'm not American; I don't vote in your elections. I've seen enough Trump interviews and speeches to know he is an absolute fraud. You would have to be a total imbecile not to see through him, but it seems there is no shortage of imbeciles with voting rights.
Donald Trump was/is a romantic idealist when it comes to politics.

Since you have TDS, I don't expect to disperse your malady. I knew of and about Trump before the Washington DC elitists turned the media against him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7ibdCVGcw
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