The War Machine, and A Very Curious Silence

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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:48 amSo far I've seen IC ask me "where are the Neo-Nazis" when I asked him what we ought to call someone who attends a rally waving the flag of a regime that is probably most infamous for exterminating human beings deemed 'undesirable' in order to "solve" societal "problems". I told him I saw news clips of people at conservative rallies waving those flags. He says it's just some sort of show of "edginess". Apparently, people marching in "pride" parades aren't displaying "edginess". No, unlike "edgy" people they're just not tolerable. They're going to bring about the fall of decent society (or whatever).
My view is that those media that offered those "news clips" -- you are referring to Charlottesville -- are in our present time a *culprit* involved in distorting perceptions. There is (in America) a long history of strong criticism of the media machine and the way news is spun and people's views influenced. Most of that criticism was developed by the Left and, having read a good deal of it, it is entirely valid. Modern criticism of media systems, again in America, could be said to have begun during the Spanish-American War and the Philippine War. Notable among the critics of the imperialistic shift in US policy was Mark Twain who wrote "To the Person Sitting in Darkness".

So the first order of business, for one inclined to gain a position of genuine understanding and therefore about what is *true*, is to recognize and understand that mass media systems are generally corrupt. Now, until very recently it had been the position of the critical Left to take an openly suspicious view of the news system. But how strange and unlikely it is to notice that the critical position has shifted to a significant degree. As one example it is people like Tucker Carlson who are examining their own political biases and their former beliefs and understanding of things and discovering that things are actually different. I have two examples. One is a short expose on the "vulture capitalism" of Paul Singer and the other is a recent interview with Robert Kennedy. What can one say about the content and the focus? It is not possible to call it either classically Conservative but neither could you label it Left Wing. It involves deeply critical positions that, in my own view, are impossible to assign in strictly binary terms.

However, my point is that the legacy media, and the general narrative that is put forth, requires a non-informed citizen to receive the content of the messages, and for my purposes here I would suggest that you are an example of that citizen.

The reason I say this is because I devoted months to examining the events of Charlottesville and I learned that what actually happened there is extremely different from what Media Systems said happened there. Let me say this so that my own orientation is more clear: in order to understand Charlottesville, and what is going on in American society and politics, and by extension in Europe (and Canada and the English speaking countries) one has to take off the lenses of pre-established binary political vision. So and for example if you desire to see all those who came to Charlottesville as *evil* and as *neo-Nazis*, and if you want to see those who came out to oppose them and battle with them as *the good* and also the *righteous*, you will, right there, make a serious mistake. And the mistake will inhibit you from seeing clearly and understanding what is actually going on, and also why.

Though I cannot verify it, and no one can, I think there was one swastika flag that appeared at the Charlottesville event and many on the Right speculated that it was planted there. However whther or not that flag did appear there authentically or was planted does not change the fact that there are currents swirling in America, in Europe, in Canada, Australia and NZ (and other places I gather) that one could label anti-Liberal. When the Progressive Left, the Left and the Radical Left perceive any trend in thought which deviates from its own ideological commitments, they always use the term fascistic, Nazi and Neo-Nazi. It has also been noted that although radical Left thinkers are allowed into the university institutions and students are routinely exposed to that side of the ideological spectrum, that the opposing side, or the countervailing side, is excluded.

If you or anyone reading is actually interested in this issue see this interview with Michael Millerman.

Trust me, I do not deny nor sugarcoat the rise of or the return of anti-Liberal ideas. But what I do say is that if one is genuinely interested in understanding what is going on today one must, as a starting point, remove the fetters that keep one looking only superficially or binarily at the events as well as the people who are described (basically, reductively) as emissaries of Adolf Hitler. So I would suggest also being aware of the work of people such as Ronald Beiner and his book Dangerous Minds: Nietzsche, Heidegger, and the Return of the Far Right.
If I've got that wrong, then I will be happy to hear the clarification of the admitted interpretations I have given the phenomenon of the sinister forces driving homosexuality and sexual impropriety that perhaps aren't present in those waving the flags of regimes that seem to have given life to genocidal policies and events.
In a sense -- that is, if you were to ask me -- I would say that you get many things wrong but not because you are getting them completely wrong but because you rely on partial pictures. Binary pictures. Pre-established view-points. You are a very lazy intellectual. So it has seemed to me that when you bust out with some *general interpretation* it is always slanted by ideas and views that have been provided to you -- for example in *news clips*.

So here are a few conclusive statements. I put them out there so they can be examined and potentially discussed. Those who seem to be on the Critical Left like Flash Danger Pants and McThinks (two examples) can only see things through a lens that is binary and skewed. They can only see critical postures of their own ideological commitments as being Nazi-esque. There is no nuance in their positions. In the end (this is my opinion) their binary positions, their binary orientations, turn against them and they wind up advocating for elimination of any ideas, and the people who hold them, from participation in the conversational sphere. I think it was Sculptor who said that anyone who voiced a view that he regarded as *racist* should be immediately banned from PN. Think about what that means in the context of cancellation, calumny, and cultural war.

To sum up: I have read what IC writes for a long time and I do not see him even remotely friendly to those who read, for example, Nietzsche or Heidegger or who are at all involved in or attracted to Dissident Right political ideas or to anti-Liberal ideas. Any such accusation is completely unfair. He advocates often for the general position held by James Lindsay and, by way of comparison, Lindsay is advocating strictly for classical American Liberalism. And that is far more likely to be IC's basic orientation.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:21 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:48 amSo far I've seen IC ask me "where are the Neo-Nazis"...
However, my point is that the legacy media, and the general narrative that is put forth, requires a non-informed citizen to receive the content of the messages, and for my purposes here I would suggest that you are an example of that citizen.
I think you're right.

Consider how crude the Leftist narrative is. Really. So crude, so obvious, so anachronistic, so dualistic: "Everybody who disagrees with us or even has a question about us is a Neo-Nazi." That's really the limit of the sophistication of the allegation. It's just that shallow and dumb.

And yet, the Left's cadres sing its tune all the time. Neo-Nazis, lurking in closets, are on every hand; and nothing but complete capitulation to Wokism will prevent these dread hordes from flooding America and taking over the world.

Really? Really? :shock: :shock:

But the point is not the truthfulness of the allegation. Marxists have absolutely no love of truth. It interferes with their aspirations. No, the purpose of the allegation is utility. It's useful in shutting down all opposition, and in justifying silencing and bullying everybody who raises any objection. It's useful, at the bare minimum, in inducing all the foolish drones of the Left to turn their ears instantly away from anybody so accused.

Truth? What's that got to do with anything? Plausibility, even; who needs that? Proof? Worse than useless. But allegations, smearing, ignorant dismissal...all very useful.

There is a horrible "practicality" about the Left. They are only interested in what is useful to the advancing of their agenda...nothing unserviceable to that goal is interesting to them. Not truth, not fairness, not honesty, and not human decency, for sure. Slander is their friend. Phony outrage and phony virtue, their favourite tools. And silencing? In their world, that's their more "practical" subsitute for thought, debate and discussion. And it blessedly frees them from ever having to answer for the absurdities they advocate.
To sum up: I have read what IC writes for a long time and I do not see him even remotely friendly to those who read, for example, Nietzsche or Heidegger or who are at all involved in or attracted to Dissident Right political ideas or to anti-Liberal ideas. Any such accusation is completely unfair. He advocates often for the general position held by James Lindsay and, by way of comparison, Lindsay is advocating strictly for classical American Liberalism. And that is far more likely to be IC's basic orientation.
That's actually a pretty fair summary, and pretty accurate, I would say. Thank you for being honest and clear-eyed about that.

Therefore, whatever else one may accuse you of being, you cannot be a Wokie. :wink: They do not speak the truth...especially any truth that undermines their agenda or prevents them from dismissing all critics outright. Theirs is an entirely ideologically-possessed mission, one that relativizes all values to its belief system.

And a couple of days ago, I noted a further particular feature of their rhetoric: it's all dualist. It's all dichotomous. It's all gnostic. It's all polarized to the extreme.

Either one is a Wokie, or one is...[insert whatever paragon of evil we can imagine.] Wokism has no middle grounds, no shadings of conviction, no noble adversaries -- it's always all-or-nothing, with them. Maybe that's why they chose the "Neo-Nazi" meme; it's the meme that refers, in recent memory anyway, to the darkest kind of evil mankind has contrived. So to make one's enemies into THAT is to seem to justify one's own extremism immediately -- for what compromise can even a minimal moral conscience have with "Neo-Nazism"? :shock:

Again, it's all serviceable to their goals...and completely unrelated to truth, fairness, moderation, balance, wisdom, negotiation...and even to "empathy" which they claim is their own core value. They just don't have any sympathy at all, any openness, to anybody who is now fully and ardently what they want them to be.

It doesn't suggest that the "revolution" is likely to prove very corrigible. When it makes its mistakes, as it always does, then there will be no space for objections, critiques, reservations or even questions. There will only be pure-white friends, and Stygian-black enemies...and which label attaches to one will depend on one's capitulation in utterly supine and snivelling obedience to the core Wokie orthodoxies, and that on a perpetual and recursive basis.

Not a happy future for any of us, I fear.
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Fair enough. IC does NOT empathize with people who wave the Nazi flag more so than socialists or gays. There, I retract my statement. ✌️
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:09 pmPost please any post or paragraph of IC’s that you believe supports Nazism. You cannot.
I think I can.
  1. White supremacists (some of who are actual Nazis) are a reality both in the US and elsewhere.
  2. I can think of no reason why anyone would try to deny or downplay or otherwise minimise the reality of 1, except they themselves be a white supremacist (or at least, in favour of their aims and objectives and desiring to protect their programmes from discovery and counter-measures, which is tantamount to the same thing)
  3. Manny has consistently sought to deny, downplay, or minimise the reality of 1, for example:
    Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:56 pm
    mickthinks wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:34 pm ...the conniving White Supremacists.
    None of whom we can even locate today. Oh well.
I think it reasonable to surmise that Manny is at least a supporter of white supremacism's Nazi-like agenda. And like I said above, you show me a Nazi supporter and I'll show you a Nazi.
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mickthinks wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:38 pm I can think of no reason why anyone would try to deny or downplay or otherwise minimise the reality of 1, except they themselves be a white supremacist...
Hilarious.

So, "the only people who would deny being X are the ones who are X." That's your attempt at logic? :shock:

You're a troll. You're worth nobody's time. Count me out.
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mickthinks wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:38 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:09 pmPost please any post or paragraph of IC’s that you believe supports Nazism. You cannot.
I think I can.
  1. White supremacists (some of who are actual Nazis) are a reality both in the US and elsewhere.
  2. I can think of no reason why anyone would try to deny or downplay or otherwise minimise the reality of 1, except they themselves be a white supremacist (or at least, in favour of their aims and objectives and desiring to protect their programmes from discovery and counter-measures, which is tantamount to the same thing)
  3. Manny has consistently sought to deny, downplay, or minimise the reality of 1, for example:
    Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:56 pm
    mickthinks wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:34 pm ...the conniving White Supremacists.
    None of whom we can even locate today. Oh well.
I think it reasonable to surmise that Manny is at least a supporter of white supremacism's Nazi-like agenda. And like I said above, you show me a Nazi supporter and I'll show you a Nazi.
No. IC is not a Nazi. I already told you that but you don't appear to have listened.
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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:04 pm Fair enough. IC does NOT empathize with people who wave the Nazi flag more so than socialists or gays. There, I retract my statement. ✌️
According to IC there is no such thing as the far right. All those intellect-challenged skin heads with Nazi tattoos doing 'Heil Hitlers' are just wonkers in another guise. Hmmm. That's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Everyone knows that 'socialism' is all about eugenics and dismantling unions :roll:

In other words, there is no political 'left' or 'right'--just policies and people (who are often extremely stupid).
Therefore disingenuous idiots like IC need to stop using the word 'left' for anything other than its most basic literal meaning. If there's no 'right' then there can't be a 'left'.
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mickthinks wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:38 pm I think it reasonable to surmise that Manny is at least a supporter of white supremacism's Nazi-like agenda. And like I said above, you show me a Nazi supporter and I'll show you a Nazi
That is a rather crafty way to make a calumnious assertion and to try to get it to stick. It is in fact many many more reasonable to understand that IC does not hold to nor support any ideas that are based in racist ideology. What I mean is based on all that I have read over the years. So your surmise is in fact unreasonable and rhetorically flawed.

When you take a particle of what someone said out of context, and then spin it as you seem to be doing to be something other than what it (likely) was, that is also bad faith and fallacious.
None of whom [white supremacists] we can even locate today.
I would wager that this statement falls into that category. What he meant, I am not sure. But it could mean that they are quite scarce (though I assume IC knows that they do exist.

Since I myself have read a good deal of the material that they write I am certainly aware that white nationalism, white identity movements, and also Christian white identity movements, do certainly exist.

But no matter what the genuine conversation about what is going on culturally, socially and in the Culture Wars, remains beyond your (apparent) capabilities since, so it seems, you get involve in paranoid but false suppositions.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:29 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:04 pm Fair enough. IC does NOT empathize with people who wave the Nazi flag more so than socialists or gays. There, I retract my statement. ✌️
According to IC there is no such thing as the far right. All those intellect-challenged skin heads with Nazi tattoos doing 'Heil Hitlers' are just wonkers in another guise. Hmmm. That's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Everyone knows that 'socialism' is all about eugenics and dismantling unions :roll:

In other words, there is no political 'left' or 'right'--just policies and people (who are often extremely stupid).
Therefore disingenuous idiots like IC need to stop using the word 'left' for anything other than its most basic literal meaning. If there's no 'right' then there can't be a 'left'.
Yes, and to give credit as well as demerit where it is due, anti-war demonstrations were being held soon after the Bush Jr, regime invaded Iraq when the touted "Christian" Republican George Bush was president and pushed to invade Iraq (which had pretty much nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attack). Conservative counterdemonstrators, on the other hand, were on street corners waving signs that said, "support our troops".

Crap on the first few days of the war I could barely drive anywhere in my county and not see them waving signs tellling me I'm a traitor if I don't support the troops in an illegal invasion. The Democrats withdrew us from Iraq and Afghanistan and all I've heard from self-professed Republicans that I know of is how "cowardly" and "traitorous" to Iraqis and Afghanis the withdrawals were.

Now we're simply supplying arms to people who seem to truly want to defend themselves against an invasion and I've noticed that the most vocal people against the enterprise are Republicans, especially evangelicals. The churches and church groups that I attended (and have gone back to visit recently) pretty much all oppose the war and gossip about the evil Biden "socialists". Apparently, unless we invade a country, conservatives aren't too keen on it maybe?

Perhaps IC or AJ can chime in with their expert opinions on the new anti-war side of the Republicans (since they apparently have their ears more to the ground on the largely poorly educated evangelical masses)? Doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I can't figure out the allure of a "holy" book that depicts God drowning just about everyone out of anger and the rest of the lovely highlights in it. I hope God really did do that--just for our sake (I guess), because if I were God and humanity was circulating a book that wasn't true, accusing me of doing something wicked, I don't think I'd be making haste clearing away a spot in heaven for them when they die. Purgatory, maybe, but I'd be more inclined to put the people who've been protesting illegal wars in heaven.

But that's just me. I'm not God. Sorry God, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. If nuclear war and genocide are on the menu for us, then don't let me get in the way. :roll:
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Does Yahweh have a complaints department? I can't take much more of the morons who believe in the Bible of the desert religions. Please send me to hell so I don't meet them again in heaven (if they're the ones who have it right)!
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Does "replacement" theory also apply to knowledge? I mean are profound science and philosophy books in community colleges and Christian universities going to be replaced with cheap attempts like Renaud Camus--"placed" as a member of the new "Western Canon"?

I hate to say this AJ, but I haven't heard you quoting much from Plato, Descartes, Russell et al. Are they "fake philosophers" or did you go cancel culture on us and become opposed to reading works by privileged white guys who have been dead for a long time?
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:34 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:29 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:04 pm Fair enough. IC does NOT empathize with people who wave the Nazi flag more so than socialists or gays. There, I retract my statement. ✌️
According to IC there is no such thing as the far right. All those intellect-challenged skin heads with Nazi tattoos doing 'Heil Hitlers' are just wonkers in another guise. Hmmm. That's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Everyone knows that 'socialism' is all about eugenics and dismantling unions :roll:

In other words, there is no political 'left' or 'right'--just policies and people (who are often extremely stupid).
Therefore disingenuous idiots like IC need to stop using the word 'left' for anything other than its most basic literal meaning. If there's no 'right' then there can't be a 'left'.
Yes, and to give credit as well as demerit where it is due, anti-war demonstrations were being held soon after the Bush Jr, regime invaded Iraq when the touted "Christian" Republican George Bush was president and pushed to invade Iraq (which had pretty much nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attack). Conservative counterdemonstrators, on the other hand, were on street corners waving signs that said, "support our troops".

Crap on the first few days of the war I could barely drive anywhere in my county and not see them waving signs tellling me I'm a traitor if I don't support the troops in an illegal invasion. The Democrats withdrew us from Iraq and Afghanistan and all I've heard from self-professed Republicans that I know of is how "cowardly" and "traitorous" to Iraqis and Afghanis the withdrawals were.

Now we're simply supplying arms to people who seem to truly want to defend themselves against an invasion and I've noticed that the most vocal people against the enterprise are Republicans, especially evangelicals. The churches and church groups that I attended (and have gone back to visit recently) pretty much all oppose the war and gossip about the evil Biden "socialists". Apparently, unless we invade a country, conservatives aren't too keen on it maybe?

Perhaps IC or AJ can chime in with their expert opinions on the new anti-war side of the Republicans (since they apparently have their ears more to the ground on the largely poorly educated evangelical masses)? Doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I can't figure out the allure of a "holy" book that depicts God drowning just about everyone out of anger and the rest of the lovely highlights in it. I hope God really did do that--just for our sake (I guess), because if I were God and humanity was circulating a book that wasn't true, accusing me of doing something wicked, I don't think I'd be making haste clearing away a spot in heaven for them when they die. Purgatory, maybe, but I'd be more inclined to put the people who've been protesting illegal wars in heaven.

But that's just me. I'm not God. Sorry God, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. If nuclear war and genocide are on the menu for us, then don't let me get in the way. :roll:
'you' do not seem to understand, fully, yet what the terms 'heaven' and 'hell' actually mean and a referring to, exactly, "gary childress".
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Age wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:18 am
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:34 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:29 pm

According to IC there is no such thing as the far right. All those intellect-challenged skin heads with Nazi tattoos doing 'Heil Hitlers' are just wonkers in another guise. Hmmm. That's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Everyone knows that 'socialism' is all about eugenics and dismantling unions :roll:

In other words, there is no political 'left' or 'right'--just policies and people (who are often extremely stupid).
Therefore disingenuous idiots like IC need to stop using the word 'left' for anything other than its most basic literal meaning. If there's no 'right' then there can't be a 'left'.
Yes, and to give credit as well as demerit where it is due, anti-war demonstrations were being held soon after the Bush Jr, regime invaded Iraq when the touted "Christian" Republican George Bush was president and pushed to invade Iraq (which had pretty much nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attack). Conservative counterdemonstrators, on the other hand, were on street corners waving signs that said, "support our troops".

Crap on the first few days of the war I could barely drive anywhere in my county and not see them waving signs tellling me I'm a traitor if I don't support the troops in an illegal invasion. The Democrats withdrew us from Iraq and Afghanistan and all I've heard from self-professed Republicans that I know of is how "cowardly" and "traitorous" to Iraqis and Afghanis the withdrawals were.

Now we're simply supplying arms to people who seem to truly want to defend themselves against an invasion and I've noticed that the most vocal people against the enterprise are Republicans, especially evangelicals. The churches and church groups that I attended (and have gone back to visit recently) pretty much all oppose the war and gossip about the evil Biden "socialists". Apparently, unless we invade a country, conservatives aren't too keen on it maybe?

Perhaps IC or AJ can chime in with their expert opinions on the new anti-war side of the Republicans (since they apparently have their ears more to the ground on the largely poorly educated evangelical masses)? Doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I can't figure out the allure of a "holy" book that depicts God drowning just about everyone out of anger and the rest of the lovely highlights in it. I hope God really did do that--just for our sake (I guess), because if I were God and humanity was circulating a book that wasn't true, accusing me of doing something wicked, I don't think I'd be making haste clearing away a spot in heaven for them when they die. Purgatory, maybe, but I'd be more inclined to put the people who've been protesting illegal wars in heaven.

But that's just me. I'm not God. Sorry God, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. If nuclear war and genocide are on the menu for us, then don't let me get in the way. :roll:
'you' do not seem to understand, fully, yet what the terms 'heaven' and 'hell' actually mean and a referring to, exactly, "gary childress".
Oh shut up, Age. NO Living human being can understand what terms (that supposedly apply to post-death) "actually" mean or "refer" to "exactly". Just fucking get an education and leave me alone. I'm tired of trying to fit in with the poorly educated.
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:25 am
Age wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:18 am
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:34 am

Yes, and to give credit as well as demerit where it is due, anti-war demonstrations were being held soon after the Bush Jr, regime invaded Iraq when the touted "Christian" Republican George Bush was president and pushed to invade Iraq (which had pretty much nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attack). Conservative counterdemonstrators, on the other hand, were on street corners waving signs that said, "support our troops".

Crap on the first few days of the war I could barely drive anywhere in my county and not see them waving signs tellling me I'm a traitor if I don't support the troops in an illegal invasion. The Democrats withdrew us from Iraq and Afghanistan and all I've heard from self-professed Republicans that I know of is how "cowardly" and "traitorous" to Iraqis and Afghanis the withdrawals were.

Now we're simply supplying arms to people who seem to truly want to defend themselves against an invasion and I've noticed that the most vocal people against the enterprise are Republicans, especially evangelicals. The churches and church groups that I attended (and have gone back to visit recently) pretty much all oppose the war and gossip about the evil Biden "socialists". Apparently, unless we invade a country, conservatives aren't too keen on it maybe?

Perhaps IC or AJ can chime in with their expert opinions on the new anti-war side of the Republicans (since they apparently have their ears more to the ground on the largely poorly educated evangelical masses)? Doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I can't figure out the allure of a "holy" book that depicts God drowning just about everyone out of anger and the rest of the lovely highlights in it. I hope God really did do that--just for our sake (I guess), because if I were God and humanity was circulating a book that wasn't true, accusing me of doing something wicked, I don't think I'd be making haste clearing away a spot in heaven for them when they die. Purgatory, maybe, but I'd be more inclined to put the people who've been protesting illegal wars in heaven.

But that's just me. I'm not God. Sorry God, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. If nuclear war and genocide are on the menu for us, then don't let me get in the way. :roll:
'you' do not seem to understand, fully, yet what the terms 'heaven' and 'hell' actually mean and a referring to, exactly, "gary childress".
Oh shut up, Age. NO Living human being can understand what terms that supposedly apply to post-death "actually" mean.
ONCE MORE we can AGAIN see here just how much GREED and SELFISHNESS had INFILTRATED the 'psyche' of the adult human being in the days when this was being written.

No matter how many times they were INFORMED that the words 'heaven' and 'hell' was NOT in relation to 'them' and 'their death', personally nor even collectively, they still LOOKED AT and SAW those words this way.

BACK THEN the adult human being REALLY WAS that GREEDY and that SELFISH. They, literally, SAW that just about everything was centred around 'them', individually and/or collectively, even AFTER the bodies that they are IN stop breathing.
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:25 am Just fucking get an education and leave me alone.
What do 'you' think or BELIEVE 'I' NEED to be educated' ABOUT or IN here, EXACTLY, "gary childress'?
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:25 am I'm tired of trying to fit in with the poorly educated.
BUT it IS 'you', "gary childress', who IS NOT UNDERSTANDING, who IS CONFUSED, and who IS STILL WONDERING here. NOT 'me'.

Also, it has NOT, usually, been like 'you' to previously DENIGRATE "others' and/or consider "your' 'self' to be of 'superior' to "others"?
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