Open Letter to Woke Students

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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:26 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:21 pm Not my fault.
You deliberately choose not to take in and process the meaning of my comments.
I processed your meaning. I was simply unimpressed.
Of course. Par for the course really. It is impossible to reach you ("impress you" is your way of putting it) and I fully understand.

I therefore write in relation to you even when it seems addressed to you.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:30 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:26 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm
You deliberately choose not to take in and process the meaning of my comments.
I processed your meaning. I was simply unimpressed.
Of course. Par for the course really. It is impossible to reach you ("impress you" is your way of putting it) and I fully understand.

I therefore write in relation to you even when it seems addressed to you.
So many words...so little content.
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Hey Alexis and IC, quit your bickering, the two of you are needed in the other thread, so we can battle the wokies together!
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Wizard22 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:26 pm Hey Alexis and IC, quit your bickering, the two of you are needed in the other thread, so we can battle the wokies together!
It sounds like you think you are in the same intellectual class as those two, I wonder what they will think to that. 🙂
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Wizard22 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:26 pm Hey Alexis and IC, quit your bickering, the two of you are needed in the other thread, so we can battle the wokies together!
I understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated. As I said elsewhere:
If you [IC] are both religious fanatic / genuine conservative, but yet I must reject you because you are a LUNATIC, how can I still constructively network with you (a giant you-plural) to resist Critical Theory wokism which is really a bane?

We seem to be in a time of iridescence of madness all across the psychological skies. One has to guess as to what “normal” could be, should be, is!
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:03 pm
Wizard22 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:26 pm Hey Alexis and IC, quit your bickering, the two of you are needed in the other thread, so we can battle the wokies together!
I understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated.
Aw, he only wants to be your buddy. :(
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Harbal wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:17 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:03 pm
Wizard22 wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:26 pm Hey Alexis and IC, quit your bickering, the two of you are needed in the other thread, so we can battle the wokies together!
I understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated.
Aw, he only wants to be your buddy. :(
Looks like Wiz got "Friendzoned".
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:03 pmI understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated. As I said elsewhere:
If you [IC] are both religious fanatic / genuine conservative, but yet I must reject you because you are a LUNATIC, how can I still constructively network with you (a giant you-plural) to resist Critical Theory wokism which is really a bane?

We seem to be in a time of iridescence of madness all across the psychological skies. One has to guess as to what “normal” could be, should be, is!
I've thought long and hard about the problems manifesting with the rise of power in the West stemming from the political-Left, liberalism, and marxism. One of the main problems I've noticed, is how the political-Left act as though a giant "hivemind", acting, believing, emoting in Unison. They do not have "individual" thoughts or differentiation. And if they do, then they sublimate, suppress, and repress all minor infighting, until the outfighting is complete, which it never is for them. Thus, the political-Left is always outfighting, never infighting. This allows Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transexuals, Queers, Minor-Attracted-Pedophiles, +, to set aside their hatred for...pedophiles, and continue their Satanic Unholy War, against Conservatives and the political-Right, which they perceive as worse than pedophiles.

Let that thought sit and stew awhile...

Because what do those on the political-Right do? Infight. Bicker. Argue. No cooperation. No hive-mind. Individualistic. Separated. Unorganized.

Why can't the political-Right organize? Because the political-Left has been very buys, over the last 50 years, learning how to target the Western education system. Slowly, but surely, they became school teachers, professors, lawyers, gaining political and social power in quiet, until now they strike, and soon they desire to put Trump in jail or worse, execute him. The only thing that stops them, are a few more inches of what they call "progress", to enact their totalitarian-socialist desires.

What must "The Right" do? At the very least...wake the fuck up! If the Right can't wake up, then intellectuals like you and Immanuel Can, will continue bickering while your streets are invaded by BLM and George Soros funded Antifa members, your house burns down, your children 'transition', and then will the Right finally come around?

Perhaps not. Because part of the process is swallowing your Pride, too...

The Left already has.
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Wizard22 wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:02 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:03 pmI understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated. As I said elsewhere:
If you [IC] are both religious fanatic / genuine conservative, but yet I must reject you because you are a LUNATIC, how can I still constructively network with you (a giant you-plural) to resist Critical Theory wokism which is really a bane?

We seem to be in a time of iridescence of madness all across the psychological skies. One has to guess as to what “normal” could be, should be, is!
I've thought long and hard about the problems manifesting with the rise of power in the West stemming from the political-Left, liberalism, and marxism. One of the main problems I've noticed, is how the political-Left act as though a giant "hivemind", acting, believing, emoting in Unison. They do not have "individual" thoughts or differentiation. And if they do, then they sublimate, suppress, and repress all minor infighting, until the outfighting is complete, which it never is for them. Thus, the political-Left is always outfighting, never infighting. This allows Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transexuals, Queers, Minor-Attracted-Pedophiles, +, to set aside their hatred for...pedophiles, and continue their Satanic Unholy War, against Conservatives and the political-Right, which they perceive as worse than pedophiles.

Let that thought sit and stew awhile...

Because what do those on the political-Right do? Infight. Bicker. Argue. No cooperation. No hive-mind. Individualistic. Separated. Unorganized.

Why can't the political-Right organize? Because the political-Left has been very buys, over the last 50 years, learning how to target the Western education system. Slowly, but surely, they became school teachers, professors, lawyers, gaining political and social power in quiet, until now they strike, and soon they desire to put Trump in jail or worse, execute him. The only thing that stops them, are a few more inches of what they call "progress", to enact their totalitarian-socialist desires.

What must "The Right" do? At the very least...wake the fuck up! If the Right can't wake up, then intellectuals like you and Immanuel Can, will continue bickering while your streets are invaded by BLM and George Soros funded Antifa members, your house burns down, your children 'transition', and then will the Right finally come around?

Perhaps not. Because part of the process is swallowing your Pride, too...

The Left already has.
And what do you say to that, Alexis Jacobi? Impressed, or what? 🙂
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Wizard22 wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:02 amBecause what do those on the political-Right do? Infight. Bicker. Argue. No cooperation. No hive-mind. Individualistic. Separated. Unorganized.

Why can't the political-Right organize?
In politics, and in political organization, there are organization-oriented types who create coalitions and try to keep them functioning in political action blocks. There are people who are oriented toward *activism* and all their doings serve that purpose. I do not see myself as one of those persons. I sit very much on the side-lines and observe what is going on.

However, I've certainly tried to keep up with contemporary events within my time limitations. I am aware of the entire gamut of ideological orientation -- from the most adamant Leftists all the way over to the most radical Right-leaning. Because I am American my primary cultural focus is America. What I can say about America is that it is in a terrible mess. I have written about my impressions and my summation involves metaphors like *the social and ideological glue that bound the country together is coming undone*.

As that binding glue comes undone -- and I am pretty sure that has come about because of shifting demographics initiated in the 1960s as well as through different levels of political activism which were initiated in the Sixties -- *unity* unravels. And when unity unravels it seems to me that the State realizes that it has to rise to the occasion and fill the social unity vacuum with that of governmental exertion of power. The US is a vast network of business interests. And those interests cannot allow civil discord to undermine the markets. My impression is that this situation of break-down in unity combined with the necessity of holding together markets leads to the situation where the government has to enforce unity through intervention on many different levels. It becomes a Federal police and intelligence issue and also an operation. The fate of the US seems to be in a crisis and frankly it is anyone's guess how the present situation of deep polarization will evolve.

My ideas are not going to be of much use to you if, as it seems, your chief concern is political organization. Because I am not an activist, and my orientation is toward understanding, and I am interested in *stating the truth* and less in making unreal or idealistic statements in order to rally people to a given cause, I see what is occurring today -- here I speak of the gains of the Critical Theory camp which is something more than *traditional leftism* and has become Hyper-Leftism of a very very strange sort -- as comparable to a giant wave that has been set in motion and is in the process of cresting or peaking. And like a (physical) wave it will have to fulfill itself and take things to the farthest point. I trust that the metaphor speaks for itself.

Now, you propose that there is some sort of *alternative* and that if only those who seem to oppose *what is occurring today* could rally together to work as an effective oppositional force that it would turn things around. Sure, on a forum like this where there are maybe 10 people maximum who participate in these threads, one can play a sort of game of team-up against those who come from very different political and social orientations. But that is all vain activity (IMO).

On the other hand there is the *real outside world* that moves in its own trajectory and over which no one of us has any influence at all. The forum is, I have gathered, a sort of pastime for many. I have participated in many forums over the years and I am very aware of their *function* for me. So I clarify my *purpose* and intention by stating it: I am only here to clarify my own thinking in regard to those issues we discuss.
Because what do those on the political-Right do? Infight. Bicker. Argue. No cooperation. No hive-mind. Individualistic. Separated. Unorganized.
There is no alternative to the *cresting wave* of the present because no one has a clear alternative. There are certainly people who make various propositions but there really is no *agreement* about what is needed. And anyway it is the *business community* (to put it very generally) that has the most substantial, and thus sustainable, interest in controlling and directing how things evolve.
What must "The Right" do? At the very least...wake the fuck up! If the Right can't wake up, then intellectuals like you and Immanuel Can, will continue bickering while your streets are invaded by BLM and George Soros funded Antifa members, your house burns down, your children 'transition', and then will the Right finally come around?
The Dissident (intellectual) Right that I am aware of has already *woken up* and, I suppose similarly to myself, realizes that it is impotent in any effective sense. It has no platform for *activism* except insofar as it can distribute ideas and opinions. My impression of those effort is that they have had definite influential reach however. But only in the realm of ideas.

Now, if the question is about what social and cultural powers and forces can begin to establish an *oppositional movement* against what we generally label as Wokism -- a term that really is far too glossary -- it is true that the Christian opposition movement (including Catholic organizations) are present in the struggle. They have, at the very least, an established platform that enables some cohesion and unified action. So there is, for example, the Evangelical *support* for Donald Trump and their presence within the MAGA movement.

But these are people, I say with some regret, who believe some of the most outrageous and hallucinatory things that it is possible to believe. What they believe, when examined closely, is alarmingly weird. And what is alarmingly weird in what they believe filters out also in strange & bizarre ways. I have to make a reference here to our own Immanuel Can who is a Christian religious fanatic of the first order. He is intelligent, he is well-read (with some limitations), and he is a barking lunatic when you actually examine what he thinks and what he is working for. He is a false-Conservative (again IMO) and he is, also IMO, part of the problem. He is absolutely closed to any idea or influence that is outside of his wheelhouse. He is recalcitrance embodied.

It may seem that I am taking an opportunistic jab at him but that is a wrong impression. We have to become aware of what people are thinking, and what I mean by that is what their perceptual system is. Christians are bound up in hopped-up fantasies that deal with Final Wars, Armageddon, End Times which amount to arrays of hallucinatory projected thought.

So, my impression is that all of this, everything taken together, and there is much more I should mention, is leading to an impossible situation that cannot be resolved. It seems to me -- and I regret saying it and thinking it -- things will have to go to their final lunatic points because:
We seem to be in a time of iridescence of madness all across the psychological skies. One has to guess as to what “normal” could be, should be, is!
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Harbal wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:09 am And what do you say to that, Alexis Jacobi? Impressed, or what?
I am only impressed, as you must know by now, by how consistently wonderful I am. May my glory only increase! However, I need somehow to extract more moolah* from my work here.
*boodle, clams, dinero, gelt, kale, lettuce, lolly, lucre, pelf, shekels, simoleons, wampum, loot, dough, bread, cabbage, sugar, scratch.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:22 pm However, I need somehow to extract more moolah* from my work here.
*boodle, clams, dinero, gelt, kale, lettuce, lolly, lucre, pelf, shekels, simoleons, wampum, loot, dough, bread, cabbage, sugar, scratch.
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Wizard22 wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:02 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:03 pmI understand the appeal. I would like to help. But my position is complicated. As I said elsewhere:
If you [IC] are both religious fanatic / genuine conservative, but yet I must reject you because you are a LUNATIC, how can I still constructively network with you (a giant you-plural) to resist Critical Theory wokism which is really a bane?

We seem to be in a time of iridescence of madness all across the psychological skies. One has to guess as to what “normal” could be, should be, is!
I've thought long and hard about the problems manifesting with the rise of power in the West stemming from the political-Left, liberalism, and marxism. One of the main problems I've noticed, is how the political-Left act as though a giant "hivemind", acting, believing, emoting in Unison. They do not have "individual" thoughts or differentiation. And if they do, then they sublimate, suppress, and repress all minor infighting, until the outfighting is complete, which it never is for them. Thus, the political-Left is always outfighting, never infighting. This allows Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transexuals, Queers, Minor-Attracted-Pedophiles, +, to set aside their hatred for...pedophiles, and continue their Satanic Unholy War, against Conservatives and the political-Right, which they perceive as worse than pedophiles.

Let that thought sit and stew awhile...
Conservatives do much the same thing. Ally with whoever will fight with them against the common enemy of the moment. When not outfighting against an enemy they produce countless sects of particular idiosyncratic beliefs that fight among themselves for attention and followers. Christianity is a prime example of a splintering phenomenon among humans. Is it possible we could all be human beings equally doing what human beings tend to do?

When there is no "outfighting" there is 'infighting'. We're always sharpening our swords, even among each other. When minds come into conflict, bodies inevitably do likewise, and visa versa.

All our Gods are also 'war gods'.
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