The 'Self' is zero distance from itself.

[Dontaskme]

The 'Self' is never the object it sees, or knows. There is no distance between the knower and the known, the seeing and the seen.

There is no room in zero to infinity for two. Both the observer and observed are ONE, where the observed, never-not observed.

A truthless truth that is rarely heard.

[Wizard22]

No, it's not.

Self is a duration of time. What "You" are—changes everyday.

[Dontaskme]

No, it's not.

No, it's never not.

Self is a duration of time. What "You" are—changes everyday.

The 'Seeing Self' is always zero distance from itself, the seer and the seen are one in the same instant of recognition.

This topic is not talking about the seen, the what is viewed, the seen object of seeing. It's talking about the seer only, known as Self or whatever other conceptual label ''thought'' / ''mind'' imposes/overlays upon this empty seeing.

Yes, while the seen object changes, the seer/self of every seen object never changes. Why, because there is no image of the seer, the seer is empty of image.

This empty looking does appear to show up as a seen object, and it does so by method/way that can be illustrated here >



Truth is, there is no one looking at itself, except as an image that in and of itself, is simply a reflection of the seer, never the actual seer which is empty at it's core, meaning absolute zero distance from itself. Zero to Infinity is always NOW..and now never moved.



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[Constantine]

Are you talking about the Neo-Platonic Intellect that can't know itself, as self? At least once in a translation I forgot I've seen one argue the intellectual can know itself.

[Gary Childress]

Are you talking about the Neo-Platonic Intellect that can't know itself, as self? At least once in a translation I forgot I've seen one argue the intellectual can know itself.

Are you interested in wisdom, the study of wisdom, or the study of studiers of wisdom?

[Constantine]

I study paradoxology and try to solve problems, and as a side project I study the history of philosophy from the earliest to the modern (philosophy of history). This really isn't the website to deep dive. However I've seen this particular question play out in antiquity. I've provided enough info foe others to track it down if they want the answer. But my main goal is survival, not wisdom. I entered into philosophy from the study of ancient strategy writers, not Plato. But there is a massive overlap on the venn diagram for this.

[Dontaskme]

Are you interested in wisdom, the study of wisdom, or the study of studiers of wisdom?

I'm personally interested in the study of the studier. I have been DOING this all my life as far back as I can remember which has no begining for me, meaning, I have come to discover, to realise, to recognise that I have never ever taken birth or death, and that I am merely just a dream character that just happens to pop aware every now and again, and when I'm done with the dream I simply fall into a deep dreamless slumber again.

I can always remember the time when I did not exist, as if I was merely just in some state of deep dreamless sleep. That was/is imagined until I woke up and realised I am now lucid within my own dream of myself, where I am witness to all kinds of images where they had once been absent. But enough of that nonsense....lol

It is only by the evidence of a subject's objectification that a subject knows that it exists, but a subject is not equal to it's objectification.
The object is perceptible, but is not the same thing as the subject because the subject is not a thing that can in and of itself be perceived.
Perception is a one way unitary action, this immediate unity can never see the actual source of seeing, or know the actual source of knowing, nor can it ever re-enact it, because it is the ONLY source there is, which is always here totally present right now, the only time and place there is.

[Wizard22]

the same instant of recognition.

That's false, because cognization takes time.

Your "self" moves between re-cognition. It changes, always changing. Every nanosecond is unique and cannot be repeated.

[Dontaskme]

the same instant of recognition.

That's false, because cognization takes time.

Your "self" moves between re-cognition. It changes, always changing. Every nanosecond is unique and cannot be repeated.

Yes, but you are still not listening to what this topic is actually pointing to. It's pointing via talking words, about the original knowing/seeing unitary Self..and not the Self that knows only the reactions of Self which are illusions. The Self recognising itself as and through memory, is only apparent within the artificial dream of separation, where there is none here in this immediate timeless present of now. Now is only a beginningless succession of endless now's.
And NOW never moved, and is timeless.

I still glean mostly from Albert Einstein's wisdom ..he said: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a persistent one.
So with that I agree.

[Wizard22]

Now is relative to what a mind is capable of. Some minds have very slow cognition, other minds, very fast. Your sense of time is not the same as mine. Nor are your memories, the same as mine.

Identity is built on memory. If you don't remember what you were a year ago, a month ago, a second ago, then you cannot identify with your "self".

Memory can be manipulated too.