Men often suffer in their pursuit of knowledge, because they fail to determined the limits of their understanding.

[Toppsy Kretts]

I see the mass of this being choreographed into ideas of trying to convince everyone they infect with their preposterous knowledge, that in some way, shape or form we have this ability to perceive things such as Gods reasonings and his ambitions ,so to speak, as if we could imagine this being a true mindset that we can achieve and or have.


in a sense this:
We accept the 4th dimension correct? we acknowledge that there is such a thing (hypothetically), correct? In this aspect we can determined that a 1st dimensional entity cannot visit nor comprehend fully the variables of the 2nd dimension. Same for 2nd dimension entities, though unlike the 1st dimension creatures the 2nd dimension beings can see and create, determine and conquer the 1st dimension bodies.

This applies to all corresponding dimensional creatures and which they lay thereof.

1st-cannot sense reality of 2nd-3rd-and 4th
2nd-can sense reality of 1st and itself but no sense of the 3rd nor 4th
3rd-can sense the reality of 1st and 2nd along with itself but no more the 4th.
4th-Being the highest we can inheritably achieve in acceptance to what we can collectively know as a dimension

so I oppose a question to you friend, if the 4th dimension is something that we can presumably acknowledge and accept that exist yet in the same breath we know that it is something that we are apart of, yet we do not entirely exist inside the registered 4th dimension in of itself...could ones self genuinely truly determined the mind of God and such reasonings in which he lays himself under? In the same aspect of the 4th dimension which we are apart of yet we cannot physically indulge to the fullest extent for we are not apart of it ( we are apart of got in the sense of the holy ghost, I merely mean in the aspect of becoming in the essence of god as in I can transcend to his power and be be with him ). Since we cannot see alike God, then who are we to judge the reasons of God?

We cannot judge God for the way life turns out nor can we question if life is a plan he has developed in his head or if we truly have free will.

Free will exist per the bible. God has a plan for all of us. Disobeying his orders and committing sin and then turning around and saving some ones life and then murdering that person which you saved is all...part...of...the...plan.

We cannot try and grasp the foundational groundings of God. It will leave us in a downfall to chaos and destruction.

[Impenitent]

do you want to experience the 4th dimension? ask me again in 5 minutes...

-Imp

[rootseeker]

From a video game perspective that includes a bit of computer programming notation it's not too difficult to understand higher numbers of dimensions when you think of a portal system. Suppose there is a video game portal system in which there is a locker for video game items to be stored. The locker system uses a PIN code like [1][2][3][4]. In this portal system, each PIN code number is one dimension. So the first dimension is portals numbered 0 to 9 and then the 2nd dimension has subportals 0 to 9. Each one portal of the first dimension leads to a different set of nine portals in the second dimension, and that is likewise true for the last two dimensions. The first three portal sets lead to other portals while the fourth portal sets lead to a locker for this example. Furthermore, these lockers connect to each other in two directions for each dimension such that all lockers connect directly to neighboring lockers. So, locker [1][2][3][4] is next to locker [1][2][3][5], and furthermore both those fourth dimension lockers shares the same portal #3 as "the same point" in the third dimension. By looking at the perspective of the first three portals your locker is in the same place [1][2][3] but by then looking at the last dimension you can see the locker [1][2][3][4] is a different locker location than locker [1][2][3][5]. That four dimension "locker system" is simple enough to imagine a five or more dimensional portal system. This could be re-imagined as a building with a series of rooms as well such that there are ten doors that each lead to a separate set of ten doors and so on until you get to the fourth set of doors with an ending room. You'd have a 3-dimensional building with 10,000 rooms instead of 10,000 lockers with the video game analogy, but conceptually a 4-dimensional path to take to arrive at a room.

[Toppsy Kretts]

do you want to experience the 4th dimension? ask me again in 5 minutes...

-Imp

lmk when ego death occurs

[Lacewing]

who are we to judge the reasons of God?

Well, if we imagine such a thing as a 'god', I suppose we can go on to judge and do all sorts of things with that.

We cannot judge God for the way life turns out nor can we question if life is a plan he has developed in his head or if we truly have free will.

Sounds like a mental loop. Imagining what 'the other' we imagine is thinking, when it is we ourselves who are doing all of 'that thinking'.

Disobeying his orders and committing sin and then turning around and saving some ones life and then murdering that person which you saved is all...part...of...the...plan.

So if it's all part of the plan, how can it be 'sin'?

The ideas of God and sin can be (and are) distorted in all kinds of ways to serve anyone's needs or agenda.

It appears that you're saying God exists... but we can't know 'his' intentions. Why would we think that we have any clear idea at all of what exists? Imagination is very powerful, and clearly humankind has always created all kinds of things to vigorously believe in. Then we are blind to anything to the contrary. Why do we need to 'know' or figure out something so far beyond our human comprehension? Isn't it enough to live each day mastering ourselves? Isn't that an excellent way of connecting with all that we're part of?

Isn't reaching for a god a way of shirking our own responsibility and glorifying ourselves through imagination? In other words, we're not enough on our own... we have to be associated with a god.

We cannot try and grasp the foundational groundings of God. It will leave us in a downfall to chaos and destruction.

Agreed. But to prescribe to the notion of a male god is already grasping in ways that have led (and continue to lead) to chaos and destruction.

[Toppsy Kretts]

Well, if we imagine such a thing as a 'god', I suppose we can go on to judge and do all sorts of things with that.

We are not meant to judge the almighty, for he is above all creation, the one true judge. How is it in any of our places of sin and unperfection to try and judge something so perfect and true as if we reside on the same level as he?

Sounds like a mental loop. Imagining what 'the other' we imagine is thinking, when it is we ourselves who are doing all of 'that thinking'.

It is a mental loop, and one we cannot even begin to unravel and comprehend. for this is the aspect of something so high above us. How can an ant understand the ethics of a boot?

So if it's all part of the plan, how can it be 'sin'?

once again, The way of sin and the path in the book unknown to all is something we cannot comprehend, all we can know for sure is 2 things.
1. God has a plan and God is all knowing. Fir everything is already seen, heard and judged
2. We all have a choice and we all have a decision to make in all aspects of our lives. No matter how "set in stone" life really is, this is the way. Dont try and understand it.

It appears that you're saying God exists... but we can't know 'his' intentions. Why would we think that we have any clear idea at all of what exists? Imagination is very powerful, and clearly humankind has always created all kinds of things to vigorously believe in. Then we are blind to anything to the contrary. Why do we need to 'know' or figure out something so far beyond our human comprehension? Isn't it enough to live each day mastering ourselves? Isn't that an excellent way of connecting with all that we're part of?

Human curiosity...simple.

Isn't reaching for a god a way of shirking our own responsibility and glorifying ourselves through imagination? In other words, we're not enough on our own... we have to be associated with a god.

Yes, it is more ignorant to rid ourselves of the possibility of a God then to believe in a creator. We must believe in a God.

Agreed. But to prescribe to the notion of a male god is already grasping in ways that have led (and continue to lead) to chaos and destruction.

God is a male. He is described as masculine, and soothing father and a shepherd, all male traits.

[Lacewing]

...we cannot even begin to unravel and comprehend. for this is the aspect of something so high above us.

So God is 'beyond comprehension', yet you claim to know all that you know?

[promethean75]

Kretts is like an apophatic theologist who argues that other than a few ontological certainties about the metaphysical necessity of god (to exist), nothing more can be known about em or his nature.

[promethean75]

Thus J. Scotus 'the scrotus' Erigena writes:

"We do not know what God is. God Himself does not know what He is because He is not anything [i.e., "not any created thing"]. Literally God is not, because He transcends being."

[Lacewing]

Thus J. Scotus 'the scrotus' Erigena writes:

"We do not know what God is. God Himself does not know what He is because He is not anything [i.e., "not any created thing"]. Literally God is not, because He transcends being."

Now that makes some sense. Essentially, we make up everything and glorify that.

[Toppsy Kretts]

Thus J. Scotus 'the scrotus' Erigena writes:

"We do not know what God is. God Himself does not know what He is because He is not anything [i.e., "not any created thing"]. Literally God is not, because He transcends being."

Now that makes some sense. Essentially, we make up everything and glorify that.

There is proof of God existing and evidence a non human preached to the masses. This is factual proof of God.

[Lacewing]

There is proof of God existing and evidence a non human preached to the masses. This is factual proof of God.

There's proof of the unfathomable? How can you fathom that?

The 'facts' are that there are countless and widely diverse stories and imaginings all throughout human history and culture that have claimed to know the unfathomable, and each is imagined by its followers to be true, more than any others. We can see this... and it's ridiculous that people are still doing it.

[Wizard22]

The 4th dimension isn't time.

The 4th, 5th, and 6th dimensions are directions of rotational movement.

Time is not a spatial dimension.

Time is like the Zeroeth dimension, so-to-speak.