a new promise...

[Iwannaplato]

K: 60's you say... given your lack of self control and style of writing,
and your need to stalk me, I had you pegged to be around 22...

my bad....and off to work I go...

Kropotkin

Way to, as usual, not take any responsibility for: your inability to read, your inability to integrate what other's say in your responses or your inability to admit anything specific you wrote might have been in error.

I've known people of 22 who can do better than you on this and people over 60, so why don't you spare us your posturing and agism.

And yeah, I did as you asked and critiqued capitalism...nothing from you. Why'd you bother to ask me to do something you seem to have no interest in?

[Peter Kropotkin]

K: 60's you say... given your lack of self control and style of writing,
and your need to stalk me, I had you pegged to be around 22...

my bad....and off to work I go...

Kropotkin

Way to, as usual, not take any responsibility for: your inability to read, your inability to integrate what other's say in your responses or your inability to admit anything specific you wrote might have been in error.

I've known people of 22 who can do better than you on this and people over 60, so why don't you spare us your posturing and agism.

And yeah, I did as you asked and critiqued capitalism...nothing from you. Why'd you bother to ask me to do something you seem to have no interest in?

K: ok, given your need for validation, ok, I hereby give you a gold star
for your excellent effort in your critique of capitalism..
does that help?

Kropotkin

[Iwannaplato]

K: ok, given your need for validation, ok, I hereby give you a gold star
for your excellent effort in your critique of capitalism..
does that help?

You asked me to write about capitalism. Why?

[Peter Kropotkin]

K: ok, given your need for validation, ok, I hereby give you a gold star
for your excellent effort in your critique of capitalism..
does that help?

You asked me to write about capitalism. Why?

K: think of it like homework... any chance at self-knowledge is
a very good thing... and there is the chance that writing
about capitalism will bring about some new knowledge
for you.... maybe it did, maybe it didn't....
that is for you to decide....

I am really nothing more than a midwife... I wonder who else said that?

Kropotkin

[Immanuel Can]

K: ok, given your need for validation, ok, I hereby give you a gold star
for your excellent effort in your critique of capitalism..
does that help?

You asked me to write about capitalism. Why?

K: think of it like homework... any chance at self-knowledge is
a very good thing... and there is the chance that writing
about capitalism will bring about some new knowledge
for you.... maybe it did, maybe it didn't....
that is for you to decide....

I am really nothing more than a midwife... I wonder who else said that?

Kropotkin

"Capital-ISM" is a fiction, one created just prior to Marx, actually. But Marxists have really picked up on the idea. They project their own ideology-drivenness onto others, and assume that if there is such a thing as MarxISM, then there must also be CapitalISM. But there is not. There is only the non-ideological practice of having free markets. "Capital" is not something one believes in, like one does with Marxism. It's not a creed, an ideology, an imposition of theory upon fact. Unlike Marxism, it has no manifesto. Nobody ever exclusively owned rights to it. And it does not rabble-rouse crowds of angry ideologues to overthrow existing structures in the name of worshipping "capital."

It's just an economic state of affairs, a rather practical one. One may like it, one may dislike it; but it's not a creed.

Marxism is essentially a secular religion. It's about the farthest thing from actual economics, which is why it NEVER works. And it's about the farthest thing from reality, as well.

[Iwannaplato]

Well, pretentiousness reaches a new high, and that's in a forum with a citizen from the future and two other people claiming to be the best philosophers in history.

[Iwannaplato]

K: think of it like homework... any chance at self-knowledge is
a very good thing... and there is the chance that writing
about capitalism will bring about some new knowledge
for you.... maybe it did, maybe it didn't....
that is for you to decide....

I am really nothing more than a midwife... I wonder who else said that?

Someone who didn't babble at people pretentiously.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Well, pretentiousness reaches a new high, and that's in a forum with a citizen from the future and two other people claiming to be the best philosophers in history.

K: and more failure at reading comprehension.. I said I wanted to be
the best philosopher ever, not that I am the best philosopher ever...
I aspire to a goal...a possibility... to overcome what I am
and become something different, something that is "higher"
and what do you aspire to?

as far as I can tell, you simply follow me around telling me
how wrong I am... I would hope you would aspire to something
that is bigger than that...something that is derived from
your own possibilities... now I cannot know what your possibilities
are, only you know that... but what is possible for you? Hopefully,
it is something that is greater than stalking Kropotkin...

Kropotkin

[promethean75]

"Capital-ISM" is a fiction, one created just prior to Marx, actually."

This is true but not in the way you think it is. There are very certain characteristics and features of a capitalist free market that identify it as it is... so it isn't something imaginary and conceptual. It is a material practice and a human activity. A certain way of doing things and arranging economic activity. These practices and activities are sanctioned and protected by our laws, etc. U know all this tho.

What is fictitious about the attack on capitalism is a) that it's alternative would only impose another new set of laws and restrictions on the individual, and b) a combination of the naturalistic fallacy that capitalism ought not be unethical (if it is) and the general moral argument that it is unethical, e.g., that it causes poverty and crime and wealth disparity and all that and that that is bad.

For such reasons and my commitment to philosophical honesty and integrity, i had to switch from marxism to maxism... but I keep my commitment to marxism for the wage earning classes (of which i no longer belong but will always belong to) becuz the egoist is the laborer even if the state is a spook!

[Iwannaplato]

Well, pretentiousness reaches a new high, and that's in a forum with a citizen from the future and two other people claiming to be the best philosophers in history.

K: and more failure at reading comprehension.. I said I wanted to be
the best philosopher ever, not that I am the best philosopher ever...

You misread me. But to be fair to you it could have been interpreted the way you interpreted it.

Read it again: a forum with a philosopher from the future and two other philosophers (other than the one from the future) who think they are the best philosophers in the world. So, you weren't on the list in that sentence. It wasn't other than you. I do in fact remember that you have that as a goal and it's not a current self-assessment.

You're just pretentious for the meaningless self-comparison with Socrates, who communicated nearly the opposite way to the way you do. You do ask some questions, but primarily to the ether.

You have no idea how to engage in a dialogue. Dialogues. Key word.

I aspire to a goal...a possibility... to overcome what I am
and become something different, something that is "higher"
and what do you aspire to?

Oh, another question the answer to which I can expect no response from. Handing out homework.

as far as I can tell, you simply follow me around telling me
how wrong I am...

It's fine that you don't notice I post in threads other than yours and respond to other people. I don't expect you to know how I post. But how telling that you would assume that all I do is respond to you. A tad narcissistic.

I would hope you would aspire to something
that is bigger than that...something that is derived from
your own possibilities... now I cannot know what your possibilities
are, only you know that... but what is possible for you? Hopefully,
it is something that is greater than stalking Kropotkin...

I think it's funny you even consider this a possibility as my highest aspiration.
Again, warning signs of narcisissm.

You've evaded responding to good points about the topic you raised.
If you were interested in the topic, in this thread and others where you get criticism, you'd respond, respectfully and not try to find one thing to dismiss whole posts over and ignore the rest.
You'd also be able to concede this.

Again, I doubt any third party is interested in our exchange and you're hardly fooling me with the way you avoid criticism by attacking others.

And here's a hint: the patterns of behavior you're exhibiting also happen out in the world, face to face. So, I learn a lot watching patterns of evasion or manipulation here. And interacting with evaders and manipulators. Narcissists, for that matter, also. Of course people behave online in ways they may not IRL. But there's much to learn.

If I respond, I am actually interested in the subject matter. But when you respond in the ways you tend to - not always, but tend to - sure...I can shift from focus on the subject matter to learning about the evasive and manipulative games people play.