if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

[Toppsy Kretts]

in that case yes it does make a valid argument but in the aspect of "Knowledge" being something that we inherit through voice and learning because it was determined right? Then aside from a simple action that was not validated ( stupid ) that made an effect that was sufficient, wouldn't it mean in the sense of knowledge being something is preferably considered "right".

[Constantine]

in that case yes it does make a valid argument but in the aspect of "Knowledge" being something that we inherit through voice and learning because it was determined right? Then aside from a simple action that was not validated ( stupid ) that made an effect that was sufficient, wouldn't it mean in the sense of knowledge being something is preferably considered "right".

[Toppsy Kretts]

in that case yes it does make a valid argument but in the aspect of "Knowledge" being something that we inherit through voice and learning because it was determined right? Then aside from a simple action that was not validated ( stupid ) that made an effect that was sufficient, wouldn't it mean in the sense of knowledge being something is preferably considered "right".

are you going to type?? atal???

[Constantine]

I'm too stupid to know what is going on.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Further discussion around similar sort of problems are covered under Newcomb's paradox.

If I remember correctly, Newcomb arose one morning and simply could not decide which shoes to wear. Normally, he would have just put on his favourite pair of shoes, but it was raining and they let in water. His other pair, which he was not nearly so keen on, were quite water tight, however. Newcomb had an important appointment that particular morning, and wanted to look his nicest, so he really needed to wear his best shoes, but he hated having wet feet; hence his paradox. Newcomb's appointment was at his bank, where he urgently needed to secure a loan, and he knew that the manager of the bank was very fastidious regarding personal appearance, so attending the meeting wearing the right shoes was of critical importance. Newcomb struggled with his dilemma over a cup of tea and two very crispy pieces of toast, with butter and marmalade. No sooner had he popped the last morsel of toast into his mouth than the answer came to him in one of those insightful flashes of clarity that are often preceded by a civilised breakfast. Newcomb walked to the bank in his waterproof shoes, and then quickly changed into his best ones before stepping into the manager's office, where he successfully secured his much needed loan. There was an unfortunate twist to the story, however. In his joy and relief at getting his bank loan, Newcomb forgot to change back into his other shoes for the journey home, and arrived back at his residence with very wet feet.

And that, in a nutshell, is Newcomb's paradox.

Interesting story, but a dilemma-- not a pardox.

[promethean75]

Thank u happy helperton

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Could you give some examples of 'wrong' reasons?

[Harbal]

Further discussion around similar sort of problems are covered under Newcomb's paradox.

If I remember correctly, Newcomb arose one morning and simply could not decide which shoes to wear. Normally, he would have just put on his favourite pair of shoes, but it was raining and they let in water. His other pair, which he was not nearly so keen on, were quite water tight, however. Newcomb had an important appointment that particular morning, and wanted to look his nicest, so he really needed to wear his best shoes, but he hated having wet feet; hence his paradox. Newcomb's appointment was at his bank, where he urgently needed to secure a loan, and he knew that the manager of the bank was very fastidious regarding personal appearance, so attending the meeting wearing the right shoes was of critical importance. Newcomb struggled with his dilemma over a cup of tea and two very crispy pieces of toast, with butter and marmalade. No sooner had he popped the last morsel of toast into his mouth than the answer came to him in one of those insightful flashes of clarity that are often preceded by a civilised breakfast. Newcomb walked to the bank in his waterproof shoes, and then quickly changed into his best ones before stepping into the manager's office, where he successfully secured his much needed loan. There was an unfortunate twist to the story, however. In his joy and relief at getting his bank loan, Newcomb forgot to change back into his other shoes for the journey home, and arrived back at his residence with very wet feet.

And that, in a nutshell, is Newcomb's paradox.

Interesting story, but a dilemma-- not a pardox.

Yes; I don't know why they call it a paradox.

[Toppsy Kretts]

Could you give some examples of 'wrong' reasons?

Luck essentially.

Those who typically do wrong intentionally never do to gain appraisal or to be considered right in the end.
Those who usually do wrong to be in the right or to gain some sort of upper hand is mere greater good and the lesser evil type of scenario.


for instance a military aspect if i was to murder a child because he had a grenade in his hand and didn't know what that object does nor does he understand the fact of war, he is told by his beloved mother or father to walk to the group of military men such as myself and to pull the pin and release the trigger and hug the men wearing funny helmets, am i in the wrong to shoot him dead?

Doing wrong sometimes results in right cause. doing right for the wrong intentions is still wrong, you just wanted to be evil, you didnt even think the plan through.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Could you give some examples of 'wrong' reasons?

Luck essentially.

Those who typically do wrong intentionally never do to gain appraisal or to be considered right in the end.
Those who usually do wrong to be in the right or to gain some sort of upper hand is mere greater good and the lesser evil type of scenario.


for instance a military aspect if i was to murder a child because he had a grenade in his hand and didn't know what that object does nor does he understand the fact of war, he is told by his beloved mother or father to walk to the group of military men such as myself and to pull the pin and release the trigger and hug the men wearing funny helmets, am i in the wrong to shoot him dead?

Doing wrong sometimes results in right cause. doing right for the wrong intentions is still wrong, you just wanted to be evil, you didnt even think the plan through.

What a particularly fucked up 'example'. Go fuck yourself.

[Toppsy Kretts]

What a particularly fucked up 'example'. Go fuck yourself.

im sorry did you think the world to be a pretty place of rainbows a sunshine's? Filled with countless little kids in treehouses? Veggie brain you I've in a world were all it takes for you not to wake up one morning is for sum 5 year old to dumb an envelope on a sidewalk and 5 miles go up in flames. you have no right to expect anything less than the truth. you should be ashamed of yourself thinking that someone like me is wrong a fucked up for having o deal with such things. what would you have done? got blown up along with the child? tell me please i am intrigued to know now you self-righteous p****.

You have no idea what truth is. you can't sit behind your screen, Acting as if the world is some ivory tower where everybody gets along. Because you know damn well that that isn't the case. But yet you sit and choose. To live your life according to this. Falsehood of a Reality. And it doesn't make sense. I gave you a legitimate reason. For wrongdoings that are for the right reason. And you couldn't accept that? Which tells me a couple of things about you. You're self-centered. You see the world for how you want it to be. Because without it, you couldn't accept it. You can't possibly imagine a world so distraught, so chaotic. So. Unfavorable to the week that you choose to sit. And ponder about things that you can't even control. About philosophy, about the way of the world, the state of the universe, How you can go against somebody else's critique or their examples or reasons, just so you can try to validate being some sort of an opposer. You're what we in the military called trash. Because I don't like you getting out. In trying to stop a problem. You sit behind and denote on it. You try to correct it with words and and false wisdom that you have somehow managed to corrupt your personality with thinking that something that you know is registered as anything intelligent, but in reality it's just the kid who read a couple books heard a couple phrases. And now you sit and type alongside degrading people who can't possibly see the ignorance that you call truth.

It's sad, really I feel sorry for you. Because I hope it isn't in your lifetime, but if it is. It'll be worth your while to sit and watch the world burn at your feet when you realize how little of the Press of a button and how a child can simply ruin everybody's lives. By a simple movement. In your role, could crumble to the ground. And you have never seen anything like it. What a man can do to another man. Would rage in a man's heart, could put out. Everyone has heard stories, but no one has seen with their own eyes. Very few have been in conflict with it. I've been in touch with the side of humanity for a long time now. It's not something pleasant. But there is something God like about it. He did create me and everybody else. He created you as well, whether you choose to accept it or not. Veggie Brain.

This life is a melting pot of chaos, love, And hatred. You can't pick and choose what you experience in this life. Nor can you cycle through, like a gold miner searching for the last bit of diamonds in his pan on the river, The information in which is brought to your attention. Take a step back and think of this information is something that was meant to come to you in the first place. You are not all powerful. You are not God. For God would have no sense of philosophy. Nor to think for himself, for he knows everything and depth and what it is. You are a man such as I. An Ignorant one. But a man nonetheless.

You have been blocked. From my readings. It will say that you have posted. But I will not click to see what you have typed. That was the last straw of your ignorance upon my posts. I have no interest in seeing what verbiage you have to say. Or anything else you can entail. The only way I will see what you have ever written upon one of my conversations Is if someone replies. And your information is displayed above their Comment. Have a nice life veggie brain. But I'm sad that you Do not realize the severity of death amongst today. And have diseases and everything that we touch and lies fill the drinks and the food that we are served. You live in a dream. And it's time for you to wake up, friend.

[Impenitent]

Newcomb straightens old hair...

The banker was simply ducky...

I don't know was on third...

-Imp

[Impenitent]

double

[Toppsy Kretts]

Newcomb straightens old hair...

The banker was simply ducky...

I don't know was on third...

-Imp

huh?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What a particularly fucked up 'example'. Go fuck yourself.

im sorry did you think the world to be a pretty place of rainbows a sunshine's? Filled with countless little kids in treehouses? Veggie brain you I've in a world were all it takes for you not to wake up one morning is for sum 5 year old to dumb an envelope on a sidewalk and 5 miles go up in flames. you have no right to expect anything less than the truth. you should be ashamed of yourself thinking that someone like me is wrong a fucked up for having o deal with such things. what would you have done? got blown up along with the child? tell me please i am intrigued to know now you self-righteous p****.

You have no idea what truth is. you can't sit behind your screen, Acting as if the world is some ivory tower where everybody gets along. Because you know damn well that that isn't the case. But yet you sit and choose. To live your life according to this. Falsehood of a Reality. And it doesn't make sense. I gave you a legitimate reason. For wrongdoings that are for the right reason. And you couldn't accept that? Which tells me a couple of things about you. You're self-centered. You see the world for how you want it to be. Because without it, you couldn't accept it. You can't possibly imagine a world so distraught, so chaotic. So. Unfavorable to the week that you choose to sit. And ponder about things that you can't even control. About philosophy, about the way of the world, the state of the universe, How you can go against somebody else's critique or their examples or reasons, just so you can try to validate being some sort of an opposer. You're what we in the military called trash. Because I don't like you getting out. In trying to stop a problem. You sit behind and denote on it. You try to correct it with words and and false wisdom that you have somehow managed to corrupt your personality with thinking that something that you know is registered as anything intelligent, but in reality it's just the kid who read a couple books heard a couple phrases. And now you sit and type alongside degrading people who can't possibly see the ignorance that you call truth.

It's sad, really I feel sorry for you. Because I hope it isn't in your lifetime, but if it is. It'll be worth your while to sit and watch the world burn at your feet when you realize how little of the Press of a button and how a child can simply ruin everybody's lives. By a simple movement. In your role, could crumble to the ground. And you have never seen anything like it. What a man can do to another man. Would rage in a man's heart, could put out. Everyone has heard stories, but no one has seen with their own eyes. Very few have been in conflict with it. I've been in touch with the side of humanity for a long time now. It's not something pleasant. But there is something God like about it. He did create me and everybody else. He created you as well, whether you choose to accept it or not. Veggie Brain.

This life is a melting pot of chaos, love, And hatred. You can't pick and choose what you experience in this life. Nor can you cycle through, like a gold miner searching for the last bit of diamonds in his pan on the river, The information in which is brought to your attention. Take a step back and think of this information is something that was meant to come to you in the first place. You are not all powerful. You are not God. For God would have no sense of philosophy. Nor to think for himself, for he knows everything and depth and what it is. You are a man such as I. An Ignorant one. But a man nonetheless.

You have been blocked. From my readings. It will say that you have posted. But I will not click to see what you have typed. That was the last straw of your ignorance upon my posts. I have no interest in seeing what verbiage you have to say. Or anything else you can entail. The only way I will see what you have ever written upon one of my conversations Is if someone replies. And your information is displayed above their Comment. Have a nice life veggie brain. But I'm sad that you Do not realize the severity of death amongst today. And have diseases and everything that we touch and lies fill the drinks and the food that we are served. You live in a dream. And it's time for you to wake up, friend.

Whatever you say. I bow down to your 'brilliance' and natural sense of logic and reason