Philosophical Realism's Mind-Independence is Absurd

[Darkneos]

Though to be honest I’m still not sure what it all means for daily life. The answers I get are conflicting and it’s unclear who’s dramatizing QM and who’s being straight.

Like the time warp from the eraser was being overblown and dramatic. Many worlds, from asking the people I know, seems like the best one now but I’m not sure what it all means for me and other peoples.

[Flannel Jesus]

Many worlds, from asking the people I know, seems like the best one now but I’m not sure what it all means for me and other peoples.

Oh really? When did this happen? Would you share your conversations?

In practical terms, I don't know that it means anything, other than that the universe is quasi-deterministic, which is imo not as big of a deal as the free will debate makes it out to be.

There are a couple of other implications, potentially - for example, did you know that if many worlds is true, you can transfer wealth from some versions of yourself to other versions of yourself?

But other than those, it's more a matter of personal interest, and maybe it allows the ability to construct quantum computers. It's not some big political or personal life changer. I mean, it might be, but I haven't seen how it is

[Darkneos]

Many worlds, from asking the people I know, seems like the best one now but I’m not sure what it all means for me and other peoples.

Oh really? When did this happen? Would you share your conversations?

In practical terms, I don't know that it means anything, other than that the universe is quasi-deterministic, which is imo not as big of a deal as the free will debate makes it out to be.

There are a couple of other implications, potentially - for example, did you know that if many worlds is true, you can transfer wealth from some versions of yourself to other versions of yourself?

But other than those, it's more a matter of personal interest, and maybe it allows the ability to construct quantum computers. It's not some big political or personal life changer. I mean, it might be, but I haven't seen how it is

I mostly care how it impacts the day to day life since I'm not entirely sure how a quantum computer is going to change my life. Though I'm not really sure if many worlds literally means alternate versions of you living their lives or not. Also I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to transfer wealth from different versions of you without some consequences, not to mention it might be pretty unethical.

I also didn't really get an answer of Atla saying stuff already happened 10 billion years ago.

[Flannel Jesus]

Though I'm not really sure if many worlds literally means alternate versions of you living their lives or not. Also I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to transfer wealth from different versions of you without some consequences.

Some people say it doesn't literally mean alternate versions of you, but... then they're not taking many worlds literally. The most literal interpretation is that it actually means exactly that.

As for transferring wealth, it's very easy (if MWI is true): play the quantum lottery! Most versions of yourself will lose a little bit, and one version of yourself will gain a lot.

[Darkneos]

Though I'm not really sure if many worlds literally means alternate versions of you living their lives or not. Also I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to transfer wealth from different versions of you without some consequences.

Some people say it doesn't literally mean alternate versions of you, but... then they're not taking many worlds literally. The most literal interpretation is that it actually means exactly that.

As for transferring wealth, it's very easy (if MWI is true): play the quantum lottery! Most versions of yourself will lose a little bit, and one version of yourself will gain a lot.

The doesn't sound easy. You don't know if that version of you will share or what sharing that money across worlds will do, it's a bad idea no matter how you slice it.

And again what about the "everything happening 10 billion years ago?

I think this issue was firmly resolved by nonlocality. You "bring it into existence" or how I would rather view it, its "eigenstate-ness correlates with your/our eigenstate-ness" 10 years ago. So it happens "retroactively" or how I would rather view it, spacetime may be a weakly emergent property, time is an illusion on this level.

If the light was emitted 10 billion years ago, this still works all the same. It can appear from our everyday perspective that we can choose from a limited set of possibilites, what happened 10 billion years ago.

Which is absolutely mindblowing of course, if more people understood this new picture of reality, philosophy forums would be on fire.

Though judging from what the two physicists said about how there is no time warp effect this seems to be false. You didn't bring it into existence, the moon or star is there even when you're not looking (and I posted a link to a guy who explains it). The notion of "the moon is only there when you're looking at it" is a based on a misunderstanding of QM.

[Flannel Jesus]

The doesn't sound easy. You don't know if that version of you will share or what sharing that money across worlds will do, it's a bad idea no matter how you slice it.

It's exceptionally easy, I've done it! (again, assuming MWI is true - if it's not true, I've just played the normal lottery). I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence.

I know exactly what it will do, it's pretty easy to visualise. It's also harmless. Either many worlds isn't true, in which case you've just gambled a bit of money and lost, or many worlds is true, and most versions of you lost a little but one of you gained a lot.

And again what about the "everything happening 10 billion years ago?

I'm not really sure what you mean by this, or where your quote comes from. Is this just referring to determinism and/or the idea of a block universe?

[Flannel Jesus]

The doesn't sound easy.

I'm happy to detail how one might play the quantum lottery, and how it works in MWI assumptions, if you're curious. All you need is a quantum random number generator.

[Darkneos]

The doesn't sound easy. You don't know if that version of you will share or what sharing that money across worlds will do, it's a bad idea no matter how you slice it.

It's exceptionally easy, I've done it! (again, assuming MWI is true - if it's not true, I've just played the normal lottery). I'm not sure what you mean by the second sentence.

I know exactly what it will do, it's pretty easy to visualise. It's also harmless. Either many worlds isn't true, in which case you've just gambled a bit of money and lost, or many worlds is true, and most versions of you lost a little but one of you gained a lot.

And again what about the "everything happening 10 billion years ago?

I'm not really sure what you mean by this, or where your quote comes from. Is this just referring to determinism and/or the idea of a block universe?

I just think there are severe ethical issues with trying to interfere with different versions of you since they are in a sense other people.

The quote was something atla mentioned some pages back.

[Darkneos]

The doesn't sound easy.

I'm happy to detail how one might play the quantum lottery, and how it works in MWI assumptions, if you're curious. All you need is a quantum random number generator.

It's a bad idea no matter how you slice it though. There's no evidence you can even interfere with what happens in those worlds anyway and I don't think one should.

[Flannel Jesus]

I just think there are severe ethical issues with trying to interfere with different versions of you since they are in a sense other people.

At the time you're making the decision to interfere, those other versions of you are actually the same you fundamentally. They only become different versions of you afterward. Nothing is spontaneously happening to any version of you that that version of you didn't consent to happening, if that's what you're thinking.

[Flannel Jesus]

The doesn't sound easy.

I'm happy to detail how one might play the quantum lottery, and how it works in MWI assumptions, if you're curious. All you need is a quantum random number generator.

It's a bad idea no matter how you slice it though. There's no evidence you can even interfere with what happens in those worlds anyway and I don't think one should.

If MWI is true, you're affecting many many (future) versions of yourself with every decision you make. The quantum lottery is just part of that.

[Darkneos]

I'm happy to detail how one might play the quantum lottery, and how it works in MWI assumptions, if you're curious. All you need is a quantum random number generator.

It's a bad idea no matter how you slice it though. There's no evidence you can even interfere with what happens in those worlds anyway and I don't think one should.

If MWI is true, you're affecting many many (future) versions of yourself with every decision you make. The quantum lottery is just part of that.

I'm not entirely sure that's what it means. You're not really affecting future you so much as branching you with each choice that you make. The only one really being impacted by your choices would be yourself not the other you's.

[Darkneos]

I just think there are severe ethical issues with trying to interfere with different versions of you since they are in a sense other people.

At the time you're making the decision to interfere, those other versions of you are actually the same you fundamentally. They only become different versions of you afterward. Nothing is spontaneously happening to any version of you that that version of you didn't consent to happening, if that's what you're thinking.

According to MWI they are not you but their own persons so they aren't the same you. They become different versions of you with each branching decision you make, but no none of them consented to whatever another version of them is planning.

Hence it is unethical and a bad idea to try to contact these other worlds, assuming they exist.

[Darkneos]

Though I'm mostly just concerned with the Atla quote.

[Flannel Jesus]

I just think there are severe ethical issues with trying to interfere with different versions of you since they are in a sense other people.

At the time you're making the decision to interfere, those other versions of you are actually the same you fundamentally. They only become different versions of you afterward. Nothing is spontaneously happening to any version of you that that version of you didn't consent to happening, if that's what you're thinking.

According to MWI they are not you but their own persons so they aren't the same you. They become different versions of you with each branching decision you make, but no none of them consented to whatever another version of them is planning.

Hence it is unethical and a bad idea to try to contact these other worlds, assuming they exist.

Contact? I don't know how that got brought in. I think you've possibly made some assumptions about what the quantum lottery means, assumptions I don't share.