Philosophical Realism's Mind-Independence is Absurd

[Atla]

At this point you’re either blind or stupid:



They can’t explain it to me because it would require teaching me the field to do so. Not everything can me broken down for lay understanding, that’s what makes QM difficult to talk about. Because the interpretations are just guess about the math and experiments which are all solid and proven. I know that’s a new concept for you, perhaps humility will serve you well.

Still lying you little shit, I didn't say it there.

And still unable to provide even a link.

You literally did. There is no help for you if you can’t even see that.

Hmm so you don't just hear "things" but also see "things" that aren't there.

[Darkneos]

Still lying you little shit, I didn't say it there.

And still unable to provide even a link.

You literally did. There is no help for you if you can’t even see that.

Hmm so you don't just hear "things" but also see "things" that aren't there.

I can’t really make you see it if you refuse to. Even when it’s right in front of you.

[Darkneos]

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

Now if you were wrong to say that then that's another matter but there's no sense denying you did.

[Atla]

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

Now if you were wrong to say that then that's another matter but there's no sense denying you did.

I'm sure people around you are greatly impressed by your ability to hallucinate, not really my thing though sorry.

[Darkneos]

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

Now if you were wrong to say that then that's another matter but there's no sense denying you did.

I'm sure people around you are greatly impressed by your ability to hallucinate, not really my thing though sorry.

You can continue to deny it but everyone else can see it, no sense in trying to bluff.

You can either admit you were mistaken in what you said or not, even in the original sense you were wrong.

[Iwannaplato]

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

Now if you were wrong to say that then that's another matter but there's no sense denying you did.

I'm sure people around you are greatly impressed by your ability to hallucinate, not really my thing though sorry.

I started to go back to try to understand what you guys are arguing about. Couldn't find the root. It seemed like Darkenous can't find it either. But I gave up. In any case....

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

looks like argumentum ad consequentiam. It can't or shouldn't be true because it would mean X. Or perhaps he meant you seem glad about X, but really you should be depressed. I couldn't even work out if he is expressing his argumentum ad consequentiam, or saying you argued one, or something else. I don't know how you guys are keeping track.

[Darkneos]

looks like argumentum ad consequentiam. It can't or shouldn't be true because it would mean X. Or perhaps he meant you seem glad about X, but really you should be depressed. I couldn't even work out if he is expressing his argumentum ad consequentiam, or saying you argued one, or something else. I don't know how you guys are keeping track.

That's not what this is about it's not appeal to consequences. More like just showing where their logic leads.

I started to go back to try to understand what you guys are arguing about. Couldn't find the root. It seemed like Darkenous can't find it either. But I gave up. In any case...

I did and quoted it, twice.

[Darkneos]

I keep telling them that life would be pointless if according to them everything has already happened billions of years ago, and they keep insisting no (with no real argument for it).

I mean...there is a reason fatalism is pretty heavily criticized.

[Atla]

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

Now if you were wrong to say that then that's another matter but there's no sense denying you did.

I'm sure people around you are greatly impressed by your ability to hallucinate, not really my thing though sorry.

I started to go back to try to understand what you guys are arguing about. Couldn't find the root. It seemed like Darkenous can't find it either. But I gave up. In any case....

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

looks like argumentum ad consequentiam. It can't or shouldn't be true because it would mean X. Or perhaps he meant you seem glad about X, but really you should be depressed. I couldn't even work out if he is expressing his argumentum ad consequentiam, or saying you argued one, or something else. I don't know how you guys are keeping track.

He's probably just displaying his ignorance about QM again, trying to make me admit saying something I didn't. The nature of QM-timelessness went above his head.

[Darkneos]

I'm sure people around you are greatly impressed by your ability to hallucinate, not really my thing though sorry.

I started to go back to try to understand what you guys are arguing about. Couldn't find the root. It seemed like Darkenous can't find it either. But I gave up. In any case....

So once again, AS YOU SAID, if everything has already occurred and it's just playing out then that would make life pointless.

looks like argumentum ad consequentiam. It can't or shouldn't be true because it would mean X. Or perhaps he meant you seem glad about X, but really you should be depressed. I couldn't even work out if he is expressing his argumentum ad consequentiam, or saying you argued one, or something else. I don't know how you guys are keeping track.

He's probably just displaying his ignorance about QM again, trying to make me admit saying something I didn't. The nature of QM-timelessness went above his head.

Timelessness according to ONE particular interpretation, stop misrepresenting it. That is also not what you said.

[Atla]

I started to go back to try to understand what you guys are arguing about. Couldn't find the root. It seemed like Darkenous can't find it either. But I gave up. In any case....

looks like argumentum ad consequentiam. It can't or shouldn't be true because it would mean X. Or perhaps he meant you seem glad about X, but really you should be depressed. I couldn't even work out if he is expressing his argumentum ad consequentiam, or saying you argued one, or something else. I don't know how you guys are keeping track.

He's probably just displaying his ignorance about QM again, trying to make me admit saying something I didn't. The nature of QM-timelessness went above his head.

Timelessness according to ONE particular interpretation, stop misrepresenting it. That is also not what you said.

Wtf is wrong with you anyway that you come here and all you do is lie lie lie? What's your damage?

[Darkneos]

He's probably just displaying his ignorance about QM again, trying to make me admit saying something I didn't. The nature of QM-timelessness went above his head.

Timelessness according to ONE particular interpretation, stop misrepresenting it. That is also not what you said.

Wtf is wrong with you anyway that you come here and all you do is lie lie lie? What's your damage?

It's not lying, you explicitly said it and I quoted it. You denying that doesn't change anything.

As for the time bit that is only for Many Worlds, not other interpretations. Many Worlds has it's own problems, mostly the need (if not hunger) for simplicity, in addition to the unfalsifiability of other worlds. IT sounds more like a need for comfort than an explanation of reality.

Thought from what I'm reading of MWI the word they are looking for is fatalism, not determinism.

[Atla]

Timelessness according to ONE particular interpretation, stop misrepresenting it. That is also not what you said.

Wtf is wrong with you anyway that you come here and all you do is lie lie lie? What's your damage?

It's not lying, you explicitly said it and I quoted it. You denying that doesn't change anything.

As for the time bit that is only for Many Worlds, not other interpretations. Many Worlds has it's own problems, mostly the need (if not hunger) for simplicity, in addition to the unfalsifiability of other worlds. IT sounds more like a need for comfort than an explanation of reality.

Thought from what I'm reading of MWI the word they are looking for is fatalism, not determinism.

No I didn't, you are lying. Wtf is wrong with you?

[Darkneos]

Wtf is wrong with you anyway that you come here and all you do is lie lie lie? What's your damage?

It's not lying, you explicitly said it and I quoted it. You denying that doesn't change anything.

As for the time bit that is only for Many Worlds, not other interpretations. Many Worlds has it's own problems, mostly the need (if not hunger) for simplicity, in addition to the unfalsifiability of other worlds. IT sounds more like a need for comfort than an explanation of reality.

Thought from what I'm reading of MWI the word they are looking for is fatalism, not determinism.

No I didn't, you are lying. Wtf is wrong with you?

You did, there is no getting around the direct quote.

[Darkneos]

Unless I am mistaken but you haven't really said HOW what you said isn't saying that everything has already happened 10 billion years ago.