Liminal places

[Harbal]

I think you are wrong.

Okay, fair enough.

Do you think I am wrong in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

And, do you have any proof, or even any evidence, for what it is, EXACTLY, which you think I am wrong about?

No, I don't have proof of anything, but neither do you. Your claim just seems unlikely to be correct, as it contradicts what seems to be the case.

"Territorial behavior is prevalent not only among humans, but across the animal kingdom. It has evolved independently across a broad array of taxonomic groups and ecological contexts, from the depths of the ocean to rainforest canopies, and from arid deserts to the Arctic tundra."

That is neither proof nor evidence; it is just what I think most likely to be true.

[Age]

you appear to have completely and utterly MISSED or MISUNDERSTOOD my QUESTION here.

I WAS and AM ASKING, How could an animal 'own' ANY 'thing'?

you SAY that the stomach of an animal is within 'its' 'own body'. Now, who and/or what IS 'the thing', EXACTLY, which HAS 'its own body'?

Let us SEE if you CAN comprehend and understand the ACTUAL QUESTION this time.

I tHiNk YoU mIsUnDeRsToOd My AnSwEr HeRe.

Ownership = Possession = Of your own body

If you do not 'own' your own body, then you own nothing at all, and you have no Self.

BUT, WHO, or WHAT, IS the 'you', which 'you', adult human beings, KEEP 'TRYING TO' CLAIM 'OWNS' 'things' like 'bodies'?

THIS IS THE QUESTION I AM ASKING. you are ANSWERING some OTHER 'thing'. Of YOUR OWN MAKING, by the way.

ANOTHER WAY to ASK 'this' IS; WHO, or WHAT, does the 'your' word REFER TO, EXACTLY, in the phrase or term, 'your body'?

[Wizard22]

BUT, WHO, or WHAT, IS the 'you', which 'you', adult human beings, KEEP 'TRYING TO' CLAIM 'OWNS' 'things' like 'bodies'?

THIS IS THE QUESTION I AM ASKING. you are ANSWERING some OTHER 'thing'. Of YOUR OWN MAKING, by the way.

ANOTHER WAY to ASK 'this' IS; WHO, or WHAT, does the 'your' word REFER TO, EXACTLY, in the phrase or term, 'your body'?

What 'You' or 'I' am, are individual "Selves".

A Self, is like your Spirit or Soul or Identity, your Uniqueness. At the basic level of Physics, this means the time and physical location of your Body, which cannot be replicated. Even if you had a Clone-self, a copy, or an identical twin, no two bodies can inhabit the same physical time and space. Therefore, "your" uniqueness is at least your physical location in space & time. But the Self is more intertwined with the "Mind" or Brain of the organism. What "You" are, then, is also a set of beliefs, some of which are true, some of which are false. Or more accurately, some of which are more Real, some of which are less Real.

A person whose beliefs are aligned with "Reality", therefore "more true", is identified as "Objective" as opposed to someone whose beliefs does not align with Reality, is identified as "Subjective".

A person's Self is not only their mental Beliefs, but also their series of Memories, of lived experience, which are also Unique. Because memories cannot be recalled exactly, and decay over time. Some memories, like some beliefs, are 'stronger' than others.

All of these together represent your "Self" or your 'You', what 'You' are, that 'You' own. They are yours, not somebody else's. Because no two people share the exact-same beliefs, nor the exact-same memories, nor the exact-same physical location (Existence).

[Constantine]

I looked through everything. I can't get a closeup of the wall, someone drone shot it, so know the rough layout of the church. In a photo I'm not even sure belongs to the church I see a modern brick wall, and it has a grave with tilted slate slabs over it that are falling in. It's by the wall. About three slabs if memory recalls.

[Age]

I think you are wrong.

Okay, fair enough.

Do you think I am wrong in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

And, do you have any proof, or even any evidence, for what it is, EXACTLY, which you think I am wrong about?

No, I don't have proof of anything, but neither do you.

BUT ON THE CONTRARY.

I DO HAVE THE PROOF, which, OBVIOUSLY, could NOT be REFUTED.

Your claim just seems unlikely to be correct, as it contradicts what seems to be the case.

The claim that the earth revolves around the sun REMAINED 'unlikely to be correct, just because 'it contradicts' what 'SEEMS to be the case', that is; it SEEMS like the sun revolves around the earth.

AND, as I CONTINUALLY SAY, 'What SEEMS or APPEARS to be the case, is ACTUALLY NOT ALWAYS 'the ACTUAL case'.

"Territorial behavior is prevalent not only among humans, but across the animal kingdom. It has evolved independently across a broad array of taxonomic groups and ecological contexts, from the depths of the ocean to rainforest canopies, and from arid deserts to the Arctic tundra."

That is neither proof nor evidence; it is just what I think most likely to be true.

But there is NOTHING there to even DISPUTE, NOR could even be DISPUTED, correct?

ALSO, what is 'it', EXACTLY, here that you think MOST LIKELY to be true?

[Harbal]

ALSO, what is 'it', EXACTLY, here that you think MOST LIKELY to be true?

That human beings are territorial by nature, just like many other animals are.

[Age]

BUT, WHO, or WHAT, IS the 'you', which 'you', adult human beings, KEEP 'TRYING TO' CLAIM 'OWNS' 'things' like 'bodies'?

THIS IS THE QUESTION I AM ASKING. you are ANSWERING some OTHER 'thing'. Of YOUR OWN MAKING, by the way.

ANOTHER WAY to ASK 'this' IS; WHO, or WHAT, does the 'your' word REFER TO, EXACTLY, in the phrase or term, 'your body'?

What 'You' or 'I' am, are individual "Selves".

WHY are 'you', "wizard22", here USING capital letters for 'y' and 's'?

Also, if 'You' and 'i' ARE individual 'Selves', then 'this' MUST BE and ONLY BE what 'we' ARE, right?

A Self, is like your Spirit or Soul or Identity, your Uniqueness.

Here we have, ONCE AGAIN, 'self-contradiction' in the PRIME FORM.

A so-called 'Self', (capital 's') is LIKE 'your' Spirit or Soul or Identity, to 'you'. So, now TELL 'us' HOW, EXACTLY, could A 'Self' ALSO be what its OWN Spirit, Soul, or Identity IS?

At the basic level of Physics, this means the time and physical location of your Body, which cannot be replicated. Even if you had a Clone-self, a copy, or an identical twin, no two bodies can inhabit the same physical time and space.

Talk ABOUT ANOTHER PRIME example here of MISSING, and/or MISUNDERSTANDING, what I HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT and POINTING OUT.

Therefore, "your" uniqueness is at least your physical location in space & time.

'you' would have to FIRST EXPLAIN WHO and/or WHAT the 'your' word here is REFERRING TO, EXACTLY, and then EXPLAIN how 'this thing' IS RELATED to the physical body, EXACTLY, and do BOTH in a Truly NON CONTRADICTORY and CONSISTENT way, which could NOT be REFUTED, THEN we CAN SEE if 'this conclusion' of 'YOURS' here is even REMOTELY CLOSE to the ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

But the Self is more intertwined with the "Mind" or Brain of the organism. What "You" are, then, is also a set of beliefs, some of which are true, some of which are false. Or more accurately, some of which are more Real, some of which are less Real.

Like what, for example, are some of the BELIEFS, WITHIN 'that body', which are LESS Real?

A person whose beliefs are aligned with "Reality", therefore "more true", is identified as "Objective" as opposed to someone whose beliefs does not align with Reality, is identified as "Subjective".

AND, 'you' REALLY can NOT SEE the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS DILEMMA here?

A person's Self is not only their mental Beliefs, but also their series of Memories, of lived experience, which are also Unique.

So, now 'we' have A thing, called a 'person' here now, who HAS, OWNS, or POSSESSES this 'Self' 'Thing'.

Are 'you' able to EXPLAIN this CONTRADICTION and INCONSISTENCY here?

Because memories cannot be recalled exactly, and decay over time. Some memories, like some beliefs, are 'stronger' than others.

All of these together represent your "Self" or your 'You', what 'You' are, that 'You' own.

Can you, AGAIN, really NOT SEE the 'self-contradiction' here?

Saying, "your" 'Self' implies that there IS "ANOTHER" other than the 'Self', and to make 'this' WORSE the word 'your', (and even 'my') implies 'ownership'. SO, AGAIN, WHO and/or WHAT is 'the one' who OWNS or POSSESSES the 'Self'?

They are yours, not somebody else's.

SO, the 'Self' AND the 'you' ARE MINE, and NOT some OTHER physical bodies, correct?

Which 'one' could infer MEANS that A 'body' OWNS these 'things' or 'thing', which 'you' call and label here as 'Self', and 'You'.

Because no two people share the exact-same beliefs, nor the exact-same memories, nor the exact-same physical location (Existence).

Okay, if you SAY SO.

[Wizard22]

So now you see, Age. Anything else?

[Age]

ALSO, what is 'it', EXACTLY, here that you think MOST LIKELY to be true?

That human beings are territorial by nature, just like many other animals are.

So what are you NATURALLY 'territorially 'attracted to', EXACTLY? If I can ASK you 'this' in 'this way'.

What do 'you' CLASS as 'YOUR territory'?

And, IF 'human beings' are 'territorial', by nature, then 'the nature of human beings' IS 'being territorial', right?

[Age]

So now you see, Age.

NO.

What are 'you' talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO here, EXACTLY?

Anything else?

There ARE PLENTY OF 'things' "wizard22".

[Wizard22]

Now you understand what Ownership and Possession is.

"You" is a label for your self, what I already said: your beliefs, your memories, your physical place and time.

These things cannot be copied 1-for-1. Therefore they are not "somebody else's". They are unique.

[Age]

Now you understand what Ownership and Possession is.

'you', "wizard22", are SO 'egotistical', and living on and with one of the GREATEST examples of 'superiority complex' here, that 'you' ARE being COMPLETELY BLINDED by, literally, "you", the 'person' AND 'self', WITHIN 'that body'.

"You" is a label for your self, what I already said: your beliefs, your memories, your physical place and time.

SO, if the word 'You' is a label for 'your' 'self', then what does the word 'your' MEAN or REFER TO, EXACTLY?

These things cannot be copied 1-for-1. Therefore they are not "somebody else's". They are unique.

WHY would ANY one even think that A 'thing' could even be copied, EXACTLY?

OBVIOUSLY 'this' could NEVER happen and occur. So, WHY do 'you' keep REFERRING TO 'this'?

[Wizard22]

I already answered that question.

It is "your" stomach and not "another's" stomach.

"Possession is nine-tenths of the Law" as the saying goes.

[Harbal]

ALSO, what is 'it', EXACTLY, here that you think MOST LIKELY to be true?

That human beings are territorial by nature, just like many other animals are.

So what are you NATURALLY 'territorially 'attracted to', EXACTLY? If I can ASK you 'this' in 'this way'.

I used to own a house with a garden, which was enclosed partly by a fence, and partly by a hawthorn hedge, which were there to show that that piece of land belonged to somebody, and to stop people just wandering onto it. I didn't like the thought of people just wandering into my garden, although I used to turn a blind eye to the postman.

What do 'you' CLASS as 'YOUR territory'?

My house, when I owned one, and now the flat I live in, even though I don't actually own it. I think of my country as being the territory of a particular group of people, of which I am a member.

And, IF 'human beings' are 'territorial', by nature, then 'the nature of human beings' IS 'being territorial', right?

Certain aspects of human behaviour do strongly suggest we are territorial by nature. I don't see any reason to question my impression that human beings are territorial, but were I presented with the results of some study or other on the matter that proved otherwise, I suppose I would rethink.

[Harbal]

I already answered that question.

It is "your" stomach and not "another's" stomach.

"Possession is nine-tenths of the Law" as the saying goes.

So who owns the remaining tenth of your stomach?