Nazis and Neo-Pagan Gnosis

[Wizard22]

I remember when in college and learning of the Hellenic philosophers, to be Literate back then (among the ancients), and fully in command of language, was as-if your ancestors were speaking through you.

Hence channeling.

Hence Medium.

Wisdom/Philosophy/Gnosticism would then be a process of 'divining' your ancient past, your ancestors, (whom are the Old Gods), to the present-day, to Modernity.


Among the Abrahamics, they would interpret this as "tapping into God-consciousness".

[Wizard22]

This is also why self-proclaimed "Gnostics" today, or Gnostic religions, often involve practices of Summoning (devils or angels).

This quickly devolves into "Conspiracy Theories", like Alex Jones and the Bohemian Grove. What religion do the world's "elites" practice? How? Why?

[Maia]

I don't know about that.

Gnosis is connected to signs, symbols, and runes concerning the magical power of words. The first forms of human literacy were equated to Divine powers and among the Hellenic philosophers, "speaking with/to/through the gods".

That's not really the main focus of Gnosticism, and is more a feature of the various magical traditions that existed both in the Classical world and pre-Christian Europe.

[Maia]

I remember when in college and learning of the Hellenic philosophers, to be Literate back then (among the ancients), and fully in command of language, was as-if your ancestors were speaking through you.

Hence channeling.

Hence Medium.

Wisdom/Philosophy/Gnosticism would then be a process of 'divining' your ancient past, your ancestors, (whom are the Old Gods), to the present-day, to Modernity.


Among the Abrahamics, they would interpret this as "tapping into God-consciousness".

Among the Northern peoples too, writing was regarded as magical, hence the reverence attached to the runes. This is not Gnosticism, though.

[Wizard22]

That's not really the main focus of Gnosticism, and is more a feature of the various magical traditions that existed both in the Classical world and pre-Christian Europe.

How is that not Gnosticism??

[Maia]

That's not really the main focus of Gnosticism, and is more a feature of the various magical traditions that existed both in the Classical world and pre-Christian Europe.

How is that not Gnosticism??

Gnosticism is a specific set of beliefs concerning the nature of the universe, with a supreme god of good, and a supreme god of evil who created the material world.

[Wizard22]

Gnosticism is a specific set of beliefs concerning the nature of the universe, with a supreme god of good, and a supreme god of evil who created the material world.

According to whom?

[Maia]

Gnosticism is a specific set of beliefs concerning the nature of the universe, with a supreme god of good, and a supreme god of evil who created the material world.

According to whom?

Well, according to them, for a start off, but also any historian of religion.

[Wizard22]

My impression of Gnosticism did not revolve around 'Creator' of the world, being good or evil, but I have heard about Transmutation and Transubstantiation.

My impression is that Gnosticism is essentially the opposite of Newtonian Physics and what we now call "Science". Newton rejected the creation and destruction of matter, except as 'transfer of energy', but even this could be interpretation as Transmutation.

So it seems like a muddled area of religious belief.

[Maia]

My impression of Gnosticism did not revolve around 'Creator' of the world, being good or evil, but I have heard about Transmutation and Transubstantiation.

My impression is that Gnosticism is essentially the opposite of Newtonian Physics and what we now call "Science". Newton rejected the creation and destruction of matter, except as 'transfer of energy', but even this could be interpretation as Transmutation.

So it seems like a muddled area of religious belief.

Newton was a committed alchemist, of course, which involves transmutation.

Perhaps use a term such as Hermeticism, rather than Gnosticism, to avoid confusion.

[Wizard22]

Matter is converted forms of Energy,
Just like Words are converted forms of Meaning.

[Maia]

Matter is converted forms of Energy,
Just like Words are converted forms of Meaning.

That's magic.

[Constantine]

Just a heads up, gnisticism is never absolutely equal in it's duality. That's the primary definition, the good hidden God is the better, but the lesser ruler of this earth/universe is the one running the show, and he has less powers, and even when bad is trying to be good but doesn't quite know how to pull it off. It can run from down right satanic as in "F this guy" to Plotinus (a important philosopher) who was supportive of the lesser God and considered him and his creation as essentially good. Christianity dumped the gnostic component but overall incorporated Neo-Platonism into itself, best expressed in the Orthodox Church and to a slightly lesser extend the Catholics, but it also has expression in Vedanta. Just they don't seem very accepting of gnosticism either and I don't quite know why despite sharing a similar root in pagan platonism (some have dated the modern emergence of Advaita Vedanta to the 5th century AD, but this isn't the thread for that).

Hermeticism and Gnosticism are usually seperate things but can also be under the same umbrella religion. Gnostics have no shortage of magic spells and puzzles. Drugs also get used. Hermeticism is another hybrid Platonic and earlier strata pagan Corpus. Islam took this up stronger than the Christian west ever did, centered around Iraq and Egypt in it's heyday, and the hermetic spells and cosmology often looks like stuff you expect from the bronze age. (I'm currently hand copying a hittite text, so know what I'm talking about).

But hermeticism often looks like the riff-raff spells pulled out of some ignorant Roman plebian's traveling salesman ass. Complete with ineffectual drugs that takes up to a year to kick in just to have a proper hallucination because they lacked the hard drugs of today. Soma died out, LSD and western hemisphere pharmacopia yet to be discovered. I read these texts incase they mention some philosopher (hermetics and alchemists like to do this) but am largely dissappinted.

[Maia]

Just a heads up, gnisticism is never absolutely equal in it's duality. That's the primary definition, the good hidden God is the better, but the lesser ruler of this earth/universe is the one running the show, and he has less powers, and even when bad is trying to be good but doesn't quite know how to pull it off. It can run from down right satanic as in "F this guy" to Plotinus (a important philosopher) who was supportive of the lesser God and considered him and his creation as essentially good. Christianity dumped the gnostic component but overall incorporated Neo-Platonism into itself, best expressed in the Orthodox Church and to a slightly lesser extend the Catholics, but it also has expression in Vedanta. Just they don't seem very accepting of gnosticism either and I don't quite know why despite sharing a similar root in pagan platonism (some have dated the modern emergence of Advaita Vedanta to the 5th century AD, but this isn't the thread for that).

Hermeticism and Gnosticism are usually seperate things but can also be under the same umbrella religion. Gnostics have no shortage of magic spells and puzzles. Drugs also get used. Hermeticism is another hybrid Platonic and earlier strata pagan Corpus. Islam took this up stronger than the Christian west ever did, centered around Iraq and Egypt in it's heyday, and the hermetic spells and cosmology often looks like stuff you expect from the bronze age. (I'm currently hand copying a hittite text, so know what I'm talking about).

But hermeticism often looks like the riff-raff spells pulled out of some ignorant Roman plebian's traveling salesman ass. Complete with ineffectual drugs that takes up to a year to kick in just to have a proper hallucination because they lacked the hard drugs of today. Soma died out, LSD and western hemisphere pharmacopia yet to be discovered. I read these texts incase they mention some philosopher (hermetics and alchemists like to do this) but am largely dissappinted.

Yes, it's certainly true that different Gnostic sects had different ideas about the lesser god. Even Paul is thought to have been a Gnostic in some sense, with his mention of archons, and different levels of heaven, which are both Gnostic ideas.

[Constantine]

That's just indicative of a religious hierarchy of states of mind. Esoterica did do a video on Paul's parallels to earlier Jewish sects involving ecstatic states of vision. I'm not fully convinced anyone alive fully knows what he was talking about because they were outwardly admitting to being muddled and secretive. It could be described as gnostic with Jesus as the demiurge but that's deeply dependent on who is interpreting it, but I'm just stumped on what is actually being said. I'll look for the video in a bit, out hiking.