Self-Identity

[Age]

BUT, UNTIL you WRITE the EXACT WORDS that I ACTUALLY USE, 'things' could only GET MORE CONFUSED here.

The only 'confusing' thing is you, contradicting yourself.

Are you 'trying to' now PRETEND that by NOT copying the EXACT words that the "other" USED, and so NOT responding to what was ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN, that this will NOT then affect YOUR LITERACY here?

So which is it, is difference an illusion, or are people actually different and distinct from one-another, having individuality?

I have NEVER even suggested that 'difference' is an illusion, let alone said ANY 'thing' like that. As I have ALREADY EXPLAINED, I SPOKE and WROTE CLUMSILY, which is WHY I can SEE WHERE you might have thought, or believed, there was some sort of CONTRADICTION there.

BUT BECAUSE you can NOT even COPY the ACTUAL WORDS that I USE, verbatim, you OBVIOUSLY HAVE some literacy deficiency. That is; according TO YOUR OWN previous CLAIMS here in this forum.

Now the 'things' SOMETIMES referred to as 'people' are different and distinct. But, see the issue 'I' have discussing 'things' like 'this' WITH 'you', human beings, is, for example, you have USED the 'people' word here, AND, if I was to now ask 'you' TO CLARIFY what does the 'people' word ACTUALLY mean or refer to, EXACTLY, so MANY of 'you' have DIFFERING conceptions, and definitions. So, to ANSWER YOUR CLARIFYING QUESTION here Accurately, FOR you, I FIRST NEED TO KNOW how 'you', personally, define the 'people' word.

Will you ANSWER this QUESTION?

Going on your past responses you do NOT have a very good track record for ANSWERING my CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

[Skepdick]

On the contrary, the 'linguistic avatar' is the preferred mode by which humanity evolved to set ourselves apart and distinct from one-another.

Without this, you would be unable to identify yourself apart from myself.

That's not true. What's the purpose of the word "we" then?

[Wizard22]

I like the inclusion of humor. Humor allows for dealing with taboo reactions/thoughts. So, it allows things to be present and communicated despite the taboo. And I am using 'taboo' in a very broad sense. Not just things related to sex or non-pc beliefs or whatever, though these also. But ideas about reality on all levels.


I'm going to push self-integration again. If you section off parts of yourself, you will 1) not notice when things, for example, trigger your anxiety, so you won't notice yourself avoiding feeling cognitive dissonance. This entails that you are less likely to question your beliefs and the assertions of others that fit with what you are comfortable with. 2) Anomalies are much less likely to be noticed and taken seriously, if you do not allow yourself to consider things that seem odd/impossible. 3) you won't be as aware of when your rationality is just a mask for maintaining the status quo.

I would also add that if you suppress parts of yourself, you are disabled. If your intuition and intellect are kept separate you simply won't have certain experiences or notice them. You're a partial person.


One can sit around thinking interesting stuff but never
invent anything
develop a new way to........
be interpersonally effective with X
problem solve with the knowledge
change anything

words in the mind in and of themselves don't do very much.

Schizophrenics often have extremely unique thoughts.

Yes, uniqueness is not enough. Ideas must be exchanged with reality, thought and action put into effect. So when it comes to the range-of-beliefs humans have, uphold, share, and value... a set of these define one person to the next. This would be a person's "place in society".

I find that self-identity mostly associates with meaning, purpose, and roles. Most people define themselves and others by their Jobs, careers, and achievements. Achievements, specifically, have a range of difficulty to replicate. Hence these differentiate people by ability. People are proud of their achievements, publicly praising them, while ashamed of their failures and embarrassments, privately withholding them.

[Wizard22]

You could be just a brain, floating in the universe. In fact statistically, in an infinite universe, you are much more likely to be that than an actual person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhy4Z_3 ... SSpaceTime

This is why statistics is witchcraft.

[Wizard22]

Because it's all conceptual. All concepts.

There are here only concepts. The only knowing there is.

The dream is all there is, this conceptual dream of separation.

The absurdity of conceptualising the non-conceptual.

To be a placeholder implies emptiness, how could it not?

And yes, the vessel that holds something is something and nothing, both empty and full.

Bodies and brains are real, not conceptual.

[Wizard22]

Are you 'trying to' now PRETEND that by NOT copying the EXACT words that the "other" USED, and so NOT responding to what was ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN, that this will NOT then affect YOUR LITERACY here?

That's off-topic. This thread is about Self-Identity, not Literacy.

I have NEVER even suggested that 'difference' is an illusion, let alone said ANY 'thing' like that. As I have ALREADY EXPLAINED, I SPOKE and WROTE CLUMSILY, which is WHY I can SEE WHERE you might have thought, or believed, there was some sort of CONTRADICTION there.

BUT BECAUSE you can NOT even COPY the ACTUAL WORDS that I USE, verbatim, you OBVIOUSLY HAVE some literacy deficiency. That is; according TO YOUR OWN previous CLAIMS here in this forum.

Now the 'things' SOMETIMES referred to as 'people' are different and distinct. But, see the issue 'I' have discussing 'things' like 'this' WITH 'you', human beings, is, for example, you have USED the 'people' word here, AND, if I was to now ask 'you' TO CLARIFY what does the 'people' word ACTUALLY mean or refer to, EXACTLY, so MANY of 'you' have DIFFERING conceptions, and definitions. So, to ANSWER YOUR CLARIFYING QUESTION here Accurately, FOR you, I FIRST NEED TO KNOW how 'you', personally, define the 'people' word.

Will you ANSWER this QUESTION?

Going on your past responses you do NOT have a very good track record for ANSWERING my CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

People are a set of Persons.

A person is a creature or animal of the human/hominid specie.

A person is individual by way of physical separation of his/her biological parents.

A person is social by way of sharing genes, culture, ambition, and goals with others.

[Wizard22]

That's not true. What's the purpose of the word "we" then?

It's an abstraction to suppose shared beliefs between people.

If you and I are fans of the same sports team, then "we" are fans of that team together.

Without this shared belief, we are not "we".

[Skepdick]

That's not true. What's the purpose of the word "we" then?

It's an abstraction to suppose shared beliefs between people.

If you and I are fans of the same sports team, then "we" are fans of that team together.

Without this shared belief, we are not "we".

An identitity is also an abstraction.

Hence the part about leaaving out parts of history.

[Wizard22]

An identitity is also an abstraction.

Hence the part about leaaving out parts of history.

Not when it's true. If you are human, I am human, and we actually are human, then it's real, and not an abstraction.

More specifically, if you have a hand, five fingers, and all the other bodily traits, then that too, cannot be faked (easily).

[Age]

Are you 'trying to' now PRETEND that by NOT copying the EXACT words that the "other" USED, and so NOT responding to what was ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN, that this will NOT then affect YOUR LITERACY here?

That's off-topic. This thread is about Self-Identity, not Literacy.

Considering you started a thread ABOUT 'literacy', and then went on here to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you CLAIMED, in that thread, WAS 'literacy', then I found it VERY ON TOPIC, and APPROPRIATE, to mention 'this' here, even if you do NOT. But WHY you do NOT would be VERY OBVIOUS.

I found mentioning 'this' here VERY APPROPRIATE as it is EXACTLY you MISQUOTING 'me', and thus meaning 'you' ARE MISREADING and MISUNDERSTANDING 'me' here AS WELL, and therefore WHY you made the Wrong ASSUMPTION and CONCLUSION that I was CONTRADICTING here.

I have NEVER even suggested that 'difference' is an illusion, let alone said ANY 'thing' like that. As I have ALREADY EXPLAINED, I SPOKE and WROTE CLUMSILY, which is WHY I can SEE WHERE you might have thought, or believed, there was some sort of CONTRADICTION there.

BUT BECAUSE you can NOT even COPY the ACTUAL WORDS that I USE, verbatim, you OBVIOUSLY HAVE some literacy deficiency. That is; according TO YOUR OWN previous CLAIMS here in this forum.

Now the 'things' SOMETIMES referred to as 'people' are different and distinct. But, see the issue 'I' have discussing 'things' like 'this' WITH 'you', human beings, is, for example, you have USED the 'people' word here, AND, if I was to now ask 'you' TO CLARIFY what does the 'people' word ACTUALLY mean or refer to, EXACTLY, so MANY of 'you' have DIFFERING conceptions, and definitions. So, to ANSWER YOUR CLARIFYING QUESTION here Accurately, FOR you, I FIRST NEED TO KNOW how 'you', personally, define the 'people' word.

Will you ANSWER this QUESTION?

Going on your past responses you do NOT have a very good track record for ANSWERING my CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

People are a set of Persons.

A person is a creature or animal of the human/hominid specie.

A person is individual by way of physical separation of his/her biological parents.

A person is social by way of sharing genes, culture, ambition, and goals with others.

So, to 'you', 'a person', a 'person' is the human body, right?

[Skepdick]

An identitity is also an abstraction.

Hence the part about leaaving out parts of history.

Not when it's true. If you are human, I am human, and we actually are human, then it's real, and not an abstraction.

More specifically, if you have a hand, five fingers, and all the other bodily traits, then that too, cannot be faked (easily).

You don't seem to understand how abstractions work.

Nor do you seem to understand that "human" is an abstract category.

Whether you are human or trans-human not is largely a matter of self-identification, not truth.

[Age]

That's not true. What's the purpose of the word "we" then?

It's an abstraction to suppose shared beliefs between people.

So, are 'you' here saying that 'we' relies ON BELIEF/S?

If you and I are fans of the same sports team, then "we" are fans of that team together.

Okay, but WHERE is the 'shared belief/s' here?

Without this shared belief, we are not "we".

WHAT 'shared belief'?

Does being a so-called 'fan' NEED or RELY on A 'belief'?

If yes, then 'what' is 'that BELIEF', EXACTLY?

[Wizard22]

Considering you started a thread ABOUT 'literacy', and then went on here to do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you CLAIMED,

No, I did exactly what I did claim. I showed you, using your own words, contradicting yourself, about "differences being illusory".

Then you reacted with your usual tirade, obfuscating your own clumsiness and lack of mental discipline.

[Wizard22]

You don't seem to understand how abstractions work.

Nor do you seem to understand that "human" is an abstract category.

Whether you are human or trans-human not is largely a matter of self-identification, not truth.

Is it an abstract category to have a hand with five fingers?

Is it an abstract category to have wings or a tail?

[Skepdick]

Is it an abstract category to have a hand with five fingers?

Of course it is. How many things in the universe have a hand with five fingers?

More than one? It's an abstract category.

In so far as identity/identification goes there's many objects which can be identified with "has a hand with five fingers"

Is it an abstract category to have wings or a tail?

Same thing as above.