My Metaphysics

[Gary Childress]

Which is why IC homes in on you like a rat to cheese. Proselytising relgious nuts like IC can sniff out indecisiveness in a potential victim like an airport sniffer dog and cocaine.

Yes. I realize that.

It's like AJ telling me he'll send venomous Columbian jumping spiders to track me down if I pleasure myself or a witch doctor putting a vodoo curse on a Southern Plantation owner who has enslaved him. They prey on that seed of possibility that will haunt the mind of the guilty.

That's fine. I try not to make slaves out of others and I pleasure myself much less now than when I was younger and single. Therefore, I'll fire back an equal "curse" on anyone who tries to put one in my head. If there's a God, then some people maybe ought to worry about whether or not the creator of the universe approves of what they're doing before condemning others. But they'll try every trick in the book they can think of regardless.

Do you talk about 'pleasuring yourself' with strangers in your everyday life? It's not something I really need to know about.

If it comes up or seems pertinent, then I sometimes will. I have no problem with it. I haven't raped anyone. I was a virgin until age 48 or so. Yet, I have hormones that I can't exactly turn off with a light switch. I'd say I've done pretty well overall.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yes. I realize that.

It's like AJ telling me he'll send venomous Columbian jumping spiders to track me down if I pleasure myself or a witch doctor putting a vodoo curse on a Southern Plantation owner who has enslaved him. They prey on that seed of possibility that will haunt the mind of the guilty.

That's fine. I try not to make slaves out of others and I pleasure myself much less now than when I was younger and single. Therefore, I'll fire back an equal "curse" on anyone who tries to put one in my head. If there's a God, then some people maybe ought to worry about whether or not the creator of the universe approves of what they're doing before condemning others. But they'll try every trick in the book they can think of regardless.

Do you talk about 'pleasuring yourself' with strangers in your everyday life? It's not something I really need to know about.

If it comes up or seems pertinent, then I sometimes will. I have no problem with it. I haven't raped anyone. I was a virgin until age 48 or so. Yet, I have hormones that I can't exactly turn off with a light switch. I'd say I've done pretty well overall.

But it didn't 'come up'. I don't give a shit about your masturbating habits.

[Age]

I cannot believe in the Abrahamic God who favors some over others.

I'm not going to prostrate myself to any mortal.

How does your second sentence follow from the first? That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't recall the Abrahamic God requiring you to prostrate yourself to any mortal...?

However, being agnostic, I also have to deal with people who think they are favored by God (or a favorite of gods--or whatever). I would like to think that God is available to all in whatever manner. Of course, I can't prove it. I can only hope it is the case. Otherwise, the "Christian" God is not for me because I see no reason to believe Christ was any more the creator of the universe than any other human being who has ever lived, let alone even any tremendously influential one.

Ultimately, we are all confined by what can be communicated and how much can be communicated in a finite period of time or a finite string of words and sentences.

There's a few things here.

Why do you think that "God is available to all in whatever manner"? You basically sound Protestant here. Secondly, you refer to 'Christ' as God. Jews and Moslems do not believe Christ is the Abrahamic God. They have entirely different religious beliefs. So your perspective seems, solidly, Protestant-Christian in your conception of God. Have you considered these differences and where your ideals of God came from originally?

I personally don't believe Divinity or 'Gods' are universal. So I don't understand your interpretation that "God is available to all"...where's this belief come from?

As I stated above to iwannaplato, this thread was made in my frustration with talking to IC in the Christianity thread. I do not "refer to Christ as God". I refer to others' belief that Christ is "God" (or that one must "accept" Christ as the only way to God, or whatever).

As far as my other comments, I'm not going to go into an exhaustive reiteration of how they all fit into my views from a position of agnosticism because it is exhausting. The very fact that you all are questioning my views tells me that you think it's somehow important for me to be in some kind of particular alignment (or frame of mind) or for you all to know what my alignment (or frame of mind) is.

This is my alignment or frame of mind: As I've stated repeatedly, I am agnostic.

Why do you talk about or of a 'Thing' when you BELIEVE that nothing is known nor could be known of nor about 'It' anyway?

When others tell me that there is a God or not a God or anything that I myself am unable to verify,

WHY do you BELIEVE that you are NOT able to verify ANY 'thing' here?

then I am skeptical of those claims because if I can't verify it, then I see no way that anyone else can verify it either unless God did something miraculous to somehow reveal to them but didn't reveal to me.

you really do have a very limited and short-sighted view of 'things' here.

I'm not interested in taking sides. I'm more interested in getting along with others.

Well REFUSING to LISTEN to "others", just because of your OWN BELIEFS, is NOT going to really help you 'get along' with "others".

If I am required by another to side against someone else, then I'm not going to do it unless there is good reason to, such as if the one I'm asked to side against is out to do serious harm. Then I would wish to ask the other who wishes to do serious harm why s/he wants to do serious harm and see if there's a way to peacefully settle it.

[Age]

As I stated above to iwannaplato, this thread was made in my frustration with talking to IC in the Christianity thread.

Frustrated by talking to IC about Christianity, you say?

Yes, because he seems to think Christianity is the real deal (or whatever one should call it). It's a nice approach to life but as far as I'm concerned I don't see reason to believe that Christ was God incarnate any more than any other human being might or might not be.

But that "jesus" is 'one of us', that is; just like EVERY "other" human being, is the main story about and of "jesus christ".

With ' the second coming of "jesus" ', which has NOT YET been revealed, comes with 'it' a far more thorough and thus far better understanding of how, EXACTLY, the story of "jesus christ" is about and of 'you', human beings, well a segment of 'you', human beings, anyway.

When asked to show his evidence for Christ being God incarnate, he doesn't give it.

LOL "immanuel can" STILL BELIEVES that the creator of the Universe is male gendered, so, obviously, "immanuel can", is STILL A LONG WAY OFF from FINDING and KNOWING the IRREFUTABLE PROOF of "christ" being God incarnate.

But that's fine, I'll accept that he's not going to share whatever it is that he thinks is evidence but I'm not going to accept his word for it 'just because' or whatever.

[Gary Childress]

Do you talk about 'pleasuring yourself' with strangers in your everyday life? It's not something I really need to know about.

If it comes up or seems pertinent, then I sometimes will. I have no problem with it. I haven't raped anyone. I was a virgin until age 48 or so. Yet, I have hormones that I can't exactly turn off with a light switch. I'd say I've done pretty well overall.

But it didn't 'come up'. I don't give a shit about your masturbating habits.

It seemed pertinent to me. As I say, if it's pertinent then I might bring it up. Sorry if you don't like the thought of a male human pleasuring himself. Do you also have trouble believing that your parents did something 'dirty' that resulted in you being here too?

[Age]

As I stated above to iwannaplato, this thread was made in my frustration with talking to IC in the Christianity thread. I do not "refer to Christ as God". I refer to others' belief that Christ is "God" (or that one must "accept" Christ as the only way to God, or whatever).

As far as my other comments, I'm not going to go into an exhaustive reiteration of how they all fit into my views from a position of agnosticism because it is exhausting. The very fact that you all are questioning my views tells me that you think it's somehow important for me to be in some kind of particular alignment (or frame of mind) or for you all to know what my alignment (or frame of mind) is.

This is my alignment or frame of mind: As I've stated repeatedly, I am agnostic. When others tell me that there is a God or not a God or anything that I myself am unable to verify, then I am skeptical of those claims because if I can't verify it, then I see no way that anyone else can verify it either unless God did something miraculous to somehow reveal to them but didn't reveal to me. I'm not interested in taking sides. I'm more interested in getting along with others. If I am required by another to side against someone else, then I'm not going to do it unless there is good reason to, such as if the one I'm asked to side against is out to do serious harm. Then I would wish to ask the other who wishes to do serious harm why s/he wants to do serious harm and see if there's a way to peacefully settle it.

You've mentioned expectations, upon others and God, that leave you unfulfilled.

If your expectations are premised upon false beliefs or lies, then yes, you will remain unfulfilled in life.

If you do not want to engage with others about these expectations, then it is quite redundant to make a thread about it and press it toward the public.

Technically, you asked for this.

I didn't say I "don't want to engage with others."

But if you BELIEVE that absolutely NOTHING can be known about nor of some 'thing', then talking about that 'thing' and questioning "others" about or of that 'thing' would be completely and utterly futile, correct?

If you feel that I have some "false beiefs or lies" then I will welcome clarity on what "false beliefs or lies" my "expectations" are premised on, if you have interest or inclination in doing so.

A False BELIEF that you have, which I can CLEARLY SEE, is the BELIEF that absolutely NOTHING can be known about nor of God, Itself.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If it comes up or seems pertinent, then I sometimes will. I have no problem with it. I haven't raped anyone. I was a virgin until age 48 or so. Yet, I have hormones that I can't exactly turn off with a light switch. I'd say I've done pretty well overall.

But it didn't 'come up'. I don't give a shit about your masturbating habits.

It seemed pertinent to me. As I say, if it's pertinent then I might bring it up. Sorry if you don't like the thought of a male human pleasuring himself. Do you also have trouble believing that your parents did something 'dirty' that resulted in you being here too?

Then why the puritanical 'pleasuring myself'? Just say, 'I don't wank as much as I used to'. That would suffice. I still couldn't give a flying rat's arse what you do in your mother's basement, as long as it doesn't involve sewing up women suits...

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[Gary Childress]

Well REFUSING to LISTEN to "others", just because of your OWN BELIEFS, is NOT going to really help you 'get along' with "others".

I listen to people when they are being reasonable. If someone isn't being reasonable then I listen but I may point it out to them that I see their beliefs as unreasonable. I find that I get along very well in that way.

[Gary Childress]

But it didn't 'come up'. I don't give a shit about your masturbating habits.

It seemed pertinent to me. As I say, if it's pertinent then I might bring it up. Sorry if you don't like the thought of a male human pleasuring himself. Do you also have trouble believing that your parents did something 'dirty' that resulted in you being here too?

Then why the puritanical 'pleasuring myself'? Just say, 'I don't wank as much as I used to'. That would suffice. I still couldn't give a flying rat's arse what you do in your mother's basement, as long as it doesn't involve sewing up women suits...

I thought perhaps "pleasuring" would be a more tactful way of putting it, without getting graphical or unnecessarily pejorative. If you want to refer to it as "wanking" so that you can denounce me as a "wanker" (as is a popular putdown among some English-speaking nations) then go for it. I could care less, however, I really don't care very much.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It seemed pertinent to me. As I say, if it's pertinent then I might bring it up. Sorry if you don't like the thought of a male human pleasuring himself. Do you also have trouble believing that your parents did something 'dirty' that resulted in you being here too?

Then why the puritanical 'pleasuring myself'? Just say, 'I don't wank as much as I used to'. That would suffice. I still couldn't give a flying rat's arse what you do in your mother's basement, as long as it doesn't involve sewing up women suits...

I thought perhaps "pleasuring" would be a more tactful way of putting it, without getting graphical or unnecessarily pejorative. If you want to refer to it as "wanking" so that you can denounce me as a "wanker" (as is a popular putdown among some English-speaking nations) then go for it. I could care less, however, I really don't care very much.

If you 'could care less' then that means you care quite a bit. Think about it...

[Age]

everyone's agnostic, gary, because nobody can know whether or not a god exists.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of just how EASILY and SIMPLY just one BELIEF can SERIOUSLY NEGATIVELY effect the way one LOOKS AT and SEES 'things'.

what they believe and have faith in is irrelevant in this case. one doesn't cease being agnostic by choosing one particular religion or another. the fact remains; they don't know whether or not a god exists.

But the PROOF ALREADY SHOWS IRREFUTABLY what the ACTUAL Truth IS here, EXACTLY.

That some people are YET to FIND or SEE 'the PROOF' does, IN NOW WAY, mean that whether or not God exists IS UNKNOWABLE.

These people, back then, REALLY DID let their OWN BELIEFS DISTORT the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth and REALLY DID STOP and PREVENT 'them' FROM FINDING and SEEING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things'.

nevermind all that tho. the better question is, why would u willingly choose to worship and commit to a god like the one described in the bible, even if this god did exist? Are u a sadist or just an imbecile?

It appears that you have ALREADY DECIDED who and what God IS, EXACTLY, which completely and utterly CONTRADICTS YOUR CLAIM that 'you' ARE "agnostic".

Also, WHY do you BELIEVE that one would HAVE TO BE a "sadistic" or an "imbecile" to 'worship' and 'commit' to the God of YOUR IMAGINATION?

Or, in other words, how are 'you' IMAGINING the God described in the bible to be like, EXACTLY?

[Gary Childress]

Then why the puritanical 'pleasuring myself'? Just say, 'I don't wank as much as I used to'. That would suffice. I still couldn't give a flying rat's arse what you do in your mother's basement, as long as it doesn't involve sewing up women suits...

I thought perhaps "pleasuring" would be a more tactful way of putting it, without getting graphical or unnecessarily pejorative. If you want to refer to it as "wanking" so that you can denounce me as a "wanker" (as is a popular putdown among some English-speaking nations) then go for it. I could care less, however, I really don't care very much.

If you 'could care less' then that mean you care quite a bit. Think about it...

I said I could care less, however, I really don't care very much. Meaning I could care for some things less than I do about the names you call me, but not by very much. I'm not going to hide behind a facade of practically unachievable purity. I urinate and defecate as well. I'm sure you do too. It doesn't particularly bother me to think about that fact, however, I can't say I'd like to stand in front of you while you're doing it. At least have the door closed or something. I promise I won't allow any transgender people in while you're using it. I can't say I particularly fancy using the facilities while being stared at by someone of the opposite sex either.

[Age]

everyone's agnostic, gary, because nobody can know whether or not a god exists. what they believe and have faith in is irrelevant in this case. one doesn't cease being agnostic by choosing one particular religion or another. the fact remains; they don't know whether or not a god exists.

nevermind all that tho. the better question is, why would u willingly choose to worship and commit to a god like the one described in the bible, even if this god did exist? Are u a sadist or just an imbecile?

I'm agnostic. I can't rule out that the Bible can't be the words of God. I hope God is not the type of God who would unleash disasters due to being angry with us, however, considering history and physics as they are understood to apply to the universe, I can't exactly rule that out either.

But ACTUAL Untruths are EXTREMELY EASY and SIMPLE to rule OUT. Just like ACTUAL Truths are EXTREMELY EASY and SIMPLE to rule IN.

one just has to FIRST LEARN how to DISTINGUISH the Truth FROM Untruths. Which, by the way, IS one of the MOST SIMPLEST and EASIEST lessons TO LEARN, in Life.

[Gary Childress]

everyone's agnostic, gary, because nobody can know whether or not a god exists. what they believe and have faith in is irrelevant in this case. one doesn't cease being agnostic by choosing one particular religion or another. the fact remains; they don't know whether or not a god exists.

nevermind all that tho. the better question is, why would u willingly choose to worship and commit to a god like the one described in the bible, even if this god did exist? Are u a sadist or just an imbecile?

I'm agnostic. I can't rule out that the Bible can't be the words of God. I hope God is not the type of God who would unleash disasters due to being angry with us, however, considering history and physics as they are understood to apply to the universe, I can't exactly rule that out either.

But ACTUAL Untruths are EXTREMELY EASY and SIMPLE to rule OUT. Just like ACTUAL Truths are EXTREMELY EASY and SIMPLE to rule IN.

one just has to FIRST LEARN how to DISTINGUISH the Truth FROM Untruths. Which, by the way, IS one of the MOST SIMPLEST and EASIEST lessons TO LEARN, in Life.

Sounds good. I'll go with that. Well said, Age.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I thought perhaps "pleasuring" would be a more tactful way of putting it, without getting graphical or unnecessarily pejorative. If you want to refer to it as "wanking" so that you can denounce me as a "wanker" (as is a popular putdown among some English-speaking nations) then go for it. I could care less, however, I really don't care very much.

If you 'could care less' then that mean you care quite a bit. Think about it...

I said I could care less, however, I really don't care very much. Meaning I could care for some things less than I do about the names you call me, but not by very much. I'm not going to hide behind a facade of practically unachievable purity. I urinate and defecate as well. I'm sure you do too. It doesn't particularly bother me to think about that fact, however, I can't say I'd like to stand in front of you while you're doing it. At least have the door closed or something. I promise I won't allow any transgender people in while you're using it. I can't say I particularly fancy using the facilities while being stared at by someone of the opposite sex either.

Actually I'm sick of your narcissistic, self-indulgent whining. It's emotional blackmail and just depressing. We all have our problems-- some of them enormous and all-encompassing. Not all of us want to lumber others with them though. Do you really believe that you are the only miserable sod on the planet?