I'm straight and tired of gay pride

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Re: I'm straight and tired of gay pride

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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:31 pm
You spelt "color" wrong. You're welcome.
And you spelled 'spelt' wrong.
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Re: I'm straight and tired of gay pride

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:36 am A lot of gay people are fed up with the excesses of 'pride parades' too and are distancing themselves from them since the acronym became a mile long and the parades became a display of fetishes and sex acts.
Yes, what started as a political demonstration for the civil rights of gay people has become a queer carnival with a degree of kinkiness that is unlikely to increase the social acceptance of homosexuals & transsexuals.
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Consul wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:54 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:36 am A lot of gay people are fed up with the excesses of 'pride parades' too and are distancing themselves from them since the acronym became a mile long and the parades became a display of fetishes and sex acts.
Yes, what started as a political demonstration for the civil rights of gay people has become a queer carnival with a degree of kinkiness that is unlikely to increase the social acceptance of homosexuals & transsexuals.
Perhaps when everyone has become used to seeing this "kinkiness", it won't seem quite as kinky.
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Re: I'm straight and tired of gay pride

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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:23 pmI can't condone so-called 'moderate' or 'conservative' homosexual lifestyles either.

If you're going to engage in perversion, then as a matter of public decency, keep it in the closet, to yourselves?

The problem is that this shame, of sexual kinks and perversions, was inverted from shame to virtue beginning in the 60s and 70s.
Homosexuality or transsexuality as such isn't a "lifestyle", a "kink", or a "perversion". It isn't a vice or a "sin" either. Nor is it a sexual practice or a political view.
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Re: I'm straight and tired of gay pride

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Harbal wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:01 am
Consul wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:54 am Yes, what started as a political demonstration for the civil rights of gay people has become a queer carnival with a degree of kinkiness that is unlikely to increase the social acceptance of homosexuals & transsexuals.
Perhaps when everyone has become used to seeing this "kinkiness", it won't seem quite as kinky.
The ideological problem is that the good old civil-rights movement has come under the sway of postmodern gender theory & queer theory, whose adherents have much more in mind than just liberal tolerance & acceptance of homosexuals & transsexuals.

Embracing all forms of "nonstraight sexuality" (1 and persuing a liberatory & libertarian "politics of marginal sexualities" (2 that seeks to unleash "the performative possibilities for proliferating gender configurations outside the restricting frames of masculinist domination and compulsory heterosexuality" (3, queer theorists intend to "to challenge the sexual order" (2, to subvert "het culture" (2 and "the regime of the normal in general" (2. They plan to deconstruct (dismantle/disrupt/destroy/disturb) the prevalent "heterosexual matrix or heterosexual hegemony" (4, the dominant "sex hierarchy" (5 with its (allegedly) oppressive conservative sexual morality that determines what is "good, normal, natural, blessed sexuality" (5 and what is "bad, abnormal, unnatural, damned sexuality" (5. According to it, good forms of sexuality are "heterosexual, married, monogamous, procreative, non-commercial, in pairs, in a relationship, same generation, in private, no pornography, bodies only, vanilla" (5; and bad forms of sexuality are "homosexual, unmarried, promiscuous, non-procreative, commercial, alone or in groups, casual, cross-generational, in public, pornography, with manufactured objects, sadomasochistic" (5.
So what queer theorists envision is "a new style of 'queer' politics that, no longer content to carve out a buffer zone for a minoritized and protected subculture, has begun to challenge the pervasive and often invisible heteronormativity of modern societies." (6 "The task of queer social theory in this context as in so many others must be to confront the default heteronormativity of modern culture with its worst nightmare, a queer planet." (6 "[Q]ueer work wants to address the full range of power-ridden normativities of sex. This endeavor has animated a rethinking of both the perverse and the normal: the romantic couple, sex for money, reproduction, the genres of life narrative." (7

(1 Alexander Doty: Making Things Perfectly Queer, 1993. p. xvi)

(2 Michael Warner: Fear of a Queer Planet: Queer Politics and Social Theory, 1993. pp. x+xxi+xxvii)

(3 Judith Butler: Gender Trouble, 1999 [2nd]. p. 180)

(4 Judith Butler: Bodies That Matter, 1993. p. 19)

(5 Gayle Rubin: "Thinking Sex: Notes for a Radical Theory of the Politics of Sexuality," 1984. p. 281)

(6 Michael Warner: "Introduction: Fear of a Queer Planet," 1991. pp. 3+16)

(7 Lauren Berlant & Michael Warner: "What Does Queer Theory Teach Us About X?", 1995. pp. 345-6)
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:16 pm
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:31 pm
Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:26 pmIt would be much too dull without me; I bring colour to the place, like a rainbow man. :wink:
You spelt "color" wrong. You're welcome.
No, he didn't.
What's odd is he used the British (et al) spelling of 'spelt' but failed to recognize the British spelling of 'colour'.
Is this irony?
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:05 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:16 pm
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:31 pm
You spelt "color" wrong. You're welcome.
No, he didn't.
What's odd is he used the British (et al) spelling of 'spelt' but failed to recognize the British spelling of 'colour'.
Is this irony?
I did find that odd as well. Do Canadians 'mix and match'?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:37 pm I did find that odd as well. Do Canadians 'mix and match'?

Ah, maybe. [just googled that and it seems they use 'spelled' like their downstairs neighbors}
I suspect it was a spelling error in whatever part of the world he's from.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:26 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:37 pm I did find that odd as well. Do Canadians 'mix and match'?

Ah, maybe. [just googled that and it seems they use 'spelled' like their downstairs neighbors}
I suspect it was a spelling error in whatever part of the world he's from.
Australia? They've never been able to make up their mind about spelling.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:35 am Australia? They've never been able to make up their mind about spelling.
Googled it: they use both'. But they also use 'colour' with the 'u'.
A country of one is Wizard.
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Touchy subject, gayism. Whatever it is that's happening as I write this, again boils down to the power of specific common denominator - it's not at all surprising that this phenomena seems restricted to a particular group. Gayism isn't a particularly good yardstick to measure progress, but does provide an avenue of what I would consider escape for all of us. To sum up, sad truths!
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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:37 pmSo you also have an aversion to the letter "u"; is there no end to your prejudices?
No.
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Agent Smith wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:01 am Touchy subject, gayism.
What's that?

"The promotion and spreading of homosexuality and/or LGBTQIA+ values, customs, ideas or culture."

Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gayism

Oh boy…
Homosexuality cannot be spread like a contagious disease, and what are those gay (queer) "values, customs, ideas"? Is there such a thing as a homogeneous, monolithic gay (queer) culture? Are we just talking about postmodern gender/queer theory? Is gayism qua "promotion" of homosexuality the attempt to substitute "homonormativity" and "compulsory homosexuality" for "heteronormativity" and "compulsory heterosexuality"?
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Consul wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 2:08 amOh boy…
Homosexuality cannot be spread like a contagious disease,
How is it not spread as such?

Non-Western civilizations aren't holding "Pride Parades", yet, but the contagion does seem to be spreading across the world, as a disease would...
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well in evolutionary biology theory, aberrant sexual behaviors are noted across a wide range of species, none of which threaten the fitness level of the group. why are you being so hard on humans? they're animals too bruh.

plus there are a gazillion bizarre fetishes that genuinely produce intense sexual arousal for the fetishist. they can't just be like hey nevermind I don't to think i want to like wearing girl's panties anymore. this shit is the result of a continuum of conditioning factors, experiences and events that makes them crave doing that stuff.

u gotta understand whatever is the cause(s) that led up to the initial realization that one wuz gay, all of it is accounted for and the perfectly natural result of that series of experiences that were his life leading up to the moment he purchased the roller blades at the skate shop and noticed how Chad wuz lookin at em when he wuz scanning his credit card at the checkout.

now as much as we male heteros might recoil at the thought of pitching and catching in a game with other males, we gotta understand that that qualia of disgust and offense doesn't exist in their reality, and therefore they cannot be expected to observe the valuations we give to their actions. in their reality, homosexual sex is not perverse and the same erotic shit going on in our hetero brains during sex-with-a-ho, is going on in Chad's and Scott's brain when they're playing ball.

And how much u wanna bet the proportion of gay people to straight people in any given society has always been more or less the same throughout history? We can't possibly know cuz we can take a consensus, but it's a damn reasonable theory.
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