Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:12 pm
Akathisia and the Ideation of Purpose and Identity.....
You can have this treated with a beta blocker in 7 hour blocks. As to people following and emulating you.... Run Forest, Run! People with a deficiency of purpose will latch onto any cause or object that gives them purpose and community. That's what sustains most cults and isms. Other people's perspective of a philosopher is not the philosopher, we are more of a unmoved mover. The projected philosophical persona of what a philosopher is and should be is a hurdle to be overcome, not indulged in.
As to the peripatetic impulse of a thinker to move, it can be the zen or aristotelian desire to mindfully walk and communicate in a measured way, or the buddhist Rhinoceros Sutra desire to evade and wallow in anxiety.... to wander alone like a rhinocerous as in primitive buddhism. It can be the Jain position to purify the soul and gain cosmic predicate enlightenment, living in ruins and livong like a ninja survivalist, or like the Cynics and Hendonists of ancient greece and rome who would travel the world and learn through direct action and consequence. What others thinks in most of these philosophies matters not one damn bit (maybe in aristotle and judiasm). What matters is the development of your own position. You can lead without them, or have them and not lead. Doesn't make it automatically a defining duality of life. I walk and wander often, but go out of my way to remain hidden and uninfluential and unpretentious in most affairs. I'm never going to be mistaken as a guru. If someone insists it is the case a strategically launched fart and dispel that illusion.
ak·a·this·ia
noun
a state of agitation, distress, and restlessness that is an occasional side-effect of antipsychotic and antidepressant drugs.
Perhaps I should stop taking the antipsychotics and antidepressants I've been prescribed? I've tried that before and just end up in the hospital again when I encounter a psychiatrist. So what should I do?
Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:29 pm
Ask if you are suffering from it and if you can he treated for it. Like I said, a beta blocker can work.
Will that solve anything? My dad was on an incredibly large number of prescription pills toward the end of his life. Some were prescribed just to deal with the side effects of other prescriptions. In the end, he was diabetic, full of tremors, and largely physically incapacitated to the point where he couldn't do much of anything for himself.
Thank you for the offer of advice, doctor. However, I'll pass for now.
You are the one ideating the phenomena, so it isn't a question anyone but you can anwser. I listed the root in many philosophies it pops up in. I didn't mention taoist immortals or the medieval myth of the wandering jew. But the roots of these philosophies and the wrath against the homeless or nomadic (Eribu- Hebrew in early iron age) comes from this. Ibn Khaldun modelled his sociology and statecraft off nomads periodically attacking and conquering sedentary populations and becomming sedentary themselves. You also have magical religious concepts like the hex which holds bad luck and disperses it to unknown travelers (got gonerreah, put the spirit in a rock, some pedestrian will take it away to the next village).
Shit abounds in the modern world still. We have a veneer of advanced enlightenment but same impulses. It alone isn't a good foundation for a philosophy. The spartan constitution was founded by a wanderer but he absorbed countless foreign philosophical systems prior. The strength was his electicism, not his feet.
Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:45 pm
It alone isn't a good foundation for a philosophy.
Perhaps that is true. "Philosophers" have largely criticized what they refer to as "sophistry", which is interesting because "sofia" is the Greek word for wisdom. Sounds like a lover's quarrel to me.
Has it's roots in the socratic epistemeology derived from Pythagoreanism. Sophists do a dialectic approach, whereas the socratic method (Analogy of the Divided Line) requires a bit more of contemplative synchonism across multiple aspects of mind. Without hand puppets or a picture to point to, hard to deliver this as a sophist to the crowd. Socrates would scorn it usually. Exceptions exist.
Has it's roots in the socratic epistemeology derived from Pythagoreanism. Sophists do a dialectic approach, whereas the socratic method (Analogy of the Divided Line) requires a bit more of contemplative synchonism across multiple aspects of mind. Without hand puppets or a picture to point to, hard to deliver this as a sophist to the crowd. Socrates would scorn it usually. Exceptions exist.
Feel free to give Socrates my apologies or whatever is in order. Otherwise, I don't know what else to say. I'd wish him the best but he was killed by his fellow Athenians, so it's a little late for that.
Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:44 pm
Not from his perspective.
He was given the choice of either drinking the Hemlock or fleeing into exile. He chose the former over the latter. At his age and temperament, I can't say I blame him. It was a pretty lousy choice for his statesmen to leave him with.
He knew death came to all. But being was always in flux. The belief systems the most hardcore of his students dabbled in either accepted a gracious suicide or reincarnation of a type (not a karmic - dharmic hindu kind though). But there was also a kind of immortality to the philosophy of the line approach. So much so many hard core emperical athiests still hold to the presumptions of the universality and timelessness of certain axiomatic mathematical concepts as independent of mind or individuality. Just sorta exists and knowing it makes them right. They don't factor in concepts like their zealotry and faith. Bishop Berkeley famously trolled the calculus community over this.
He knew death came to all. But being was always in flux. The belief systems the most hardcore of his students dabbled in either accepted a gracious suicide or reincarnation of a type (not a karmic - dharmic hindu kind though). But there was also a kind of immortality to the philosophy of the line approach. So much so many hard core emperical athiests still hold to the presumptions of the universality and timelessness of certain axiomatic mathematical concepts as independent of mind or individuality. Just sorta exists and knowing it makes them right. They don't factor in concepts like their zealotry and faith. Bishop Berkeley famously trolled the calculus community over this.
I'm not disputing that Socrates knew that death came to all. All I see you doing here is avoiding my statement that it was lousy of the Athenians to give Socrates the choice of either drinking hemlock or fleeing the city. As far as we know of Socrates, all he did was ask questions and challenge the answers he got along with the outcome of making many arrogant posers look like fools. Having your views challenged seems to bring the utmost agitation out of you. Do you have any ancestors by the name of Anytus, by chance?
I wasn't aware I was being challenged. I'm laying on a beach.
Society in general does this to everyone. People are constantly subjected to coercion (you are trying it with me). People are squeezed out. That's the well of virtue that Cynicism and the cult of noble suicide comes from. A socratic refusal to give up on the best of life once it passes.
I may espouse the Cynics as the best of the ancient sects but not their love of suicide. The stoics after them (still embracing suicide) did alot to reform society to make it function better. But it is the nature of man to get into one another's business. The athenians felt they were protecting themselves. It was paranoid but not out of place. Socrates wasn't the first. Fact is every society does disgusting things to uphold and preserve their ethics and institutions. It is very commonplace. Socrates did eat the bread.
Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:04 pm
I wasn't aware I was being challenged. I'm laying on a beach.
Society in general does this to everyone. People are constantly subjected to coercion (you are trying it with me). People are squeezed out. That's the well of virtue that Cynicism and the cult of noble suicide comes from. A socratic refusal to give up on the best of life once it passes.
I may espouse the Cynics as the best of the ancient sects but not their love of suicide. The stoics after them (still embracing suicide) did alot to reform society to make it function better. But it is the nature of man to get into one another's business. The athenians felt they were protecting themselves. It was paranoid but not out of place. Socrates wasn't the first. Fact is every society does disgusting things to uphold and preserve their ethics and institutions. It is very commonplace. Socrates did eat the bread.
If you disagree with my assessment that it was lousy of the Athenians to offer Socrates the dilemma they offered him, then it's pretty clear that I am challenging you if you don't agree with what I said. What part of what just happened do you not understand or are else "unaware" of?
For the love of life, it's like some people don't even understand themselves! Maybe you need to sign up for AJ's video course. You and he would make great debating partners. You're both intellectual master debaters in my book!
Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:12 pm
Akathisia and the Ideation of Purpose and Identity.....
You can have this treated with a beta blocker in 7 hour blocks. As to people following and emulating you.... Run Forest, Run! People with a deficiency of purpose will latch onto any cause or object that gives them purpose and community. That's what sustains most cults and isms. Other people's perspective of a philosopher is not the philosopher, we are more of a unmoved mover. The projected philosophical persona of what a philosopher is and should be is a hurdle to be overcome, not indulged in.
As to the peripatetic impulse of a thinker to move, it can be the zen or aristotelian desire to mindfully walk and communicate in a measured way, or the buddhist Rhinoceros Sutra desire to evade and wallow in anxiety.... to wander alone like a rhinocerous as in primitive buddhism. It can be the Jain position to purify the soul and gain cosmic predicate enlightenment, living in ruins and livong like a ninja survivalist, or like the Cynics and Hendonists of ancient greece and rome who would travel the world and learn through direct action and consequence. What others thinks in most of these philosophies matters not one damn bit (maybe in aristotle and judiasm). What matters is the development of your own position. You can lead without them, or have them and not lead. Doesn't make it automatically a defining duality of life. I walk and wander often, but go out of my way to remain hidden and uninfluential and unpretentious in most affairs. I'm never going to be mistaken as a guru. If someone insists it is the case a strategically launched fart and dispel that illusion.
ak·a·this·ia
noun
a state of agitation, distress, and restlessness that is an occasional side-effect of antipsychotic and antidepressant drugs.
Perhaps I should stop taking the antipsychotics and antidepressants I've been prescribed? I've tried that before and just end up in the hospital again when I encounter a psychiatrist. So what should I do?
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