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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:47 pm
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popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:38 am

What does one have to do with the other? I wouldn't be so pro-BRICS if America was not so fascist.
America is no more "fascist" than China, Russia or any other relatively more racially and culturally homogentisic society. Tribalism (the turn inward to one's "own" and away from pluralism and care for the "other") is engulfing many countries of the world right now--including many in Europe. As long as the US is in the hands of "woke" culture, then that tendency is mitigated to whatever degree.
Think about how much the world hates America, and what it would take to unite so many diverse cultures. America has been the most warlike country in the world since 1955, and world domination by any means necessary has been its program. Right now, it has put the whole world in jeopardy in its quest for world domination. America has made the same mistake as Hitler, when he believed that all that was necessary to conquer Russia was to kick its door down. Russia crushed the Nazi monster war machine, and if necessary, it will crush the American monster war machine.
If that's what you want to believe, good luck. No thanks. Go to the house next door, they might buy what you have to sell.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:44 pm It's certainly not about 'helping' others. It's about as self-indulgent, selfish, self-serving, shallow and narcissistic as you could get. Everything is about forcing others to abandon their own sense of what is true or not and accept whatever they tell you to accept, and to think exactly as they tell you to think--OR ELSE. That's pretty much a definition of fascisim isn't it? 1984? Ministry of Truth? Newspeak? What happens when we can't use the word 'woman' any more because it no longer means anything? The human race is going down the toilet and we are nearly past the S bend.
Humans just couldn't be satisfied with equal rights. It wasn't enough for a certain element that had everything to gain by continuing to fight for 'rights' that had already been won years ago. This is why they have come up with a whole dictionary full of meaningless, bullshit buzzterms that they fling around ad nauseum. I mean, 'trans genocide'? What the fuck?
I hear you, but what I hear is not a fair characterization of wokeness. They don’t care what you think as long as it isn’t objectionable.

What do you see as problematic about the term, “trans genocide”?
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commonsense wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:01 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:44 pm It's certainly not about 'helping' others. It's about as self-indulgent, selfish, self-serving, shallow and narcissistic as you could get. Everything is about forcing others to abandon their own sense of what is true or not and accept whatever they tell you to accept, and to think exactly as they tell you to think--OR ELSE. That's pretty much a definition of fascisim isn't it? 1984? Ministry of Truth? Newspeak? What happens when we can't use the word 'woman' any more because it no longer means anything? The human race is going down the toilet and we are nearly past the S bend.
Humans just couldn't be satisfied with equal rights. It wasn't enough for a certain element that had everything to gain by continuing to fight for 'rights' that had already been won years ago. This is why they have come up with a whole dictionary full of meaningless, bullshit buzzterms that they fling around ad nauseum. I mean, 'trans genocide'? What the fuck?
I hear you, but what I hear is not a fair characterization of wokeness. They don’t care what you think as long as it isn’t objectionable.

What do you see as problematic about the term, “trans genocide”?
'As long as it isn't 'objectionable' '? That's 'big' of them :lol:

What the fuck is a 'trans genocide'? What does it mean??
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:04 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:01 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:44 pm It's certainly not about 'helping' others. It's about as self-indulgent, selfish, self-serving, shallow and narcissistic as you could get. Everything is about forcing others to abandon their own sense of what is true or not and accept whatever they tell you to accept, and to think exactly as they tell you to think--OR ELSE. That's pretty much a definition of fascisim isn't it? 1984? Ministry of Truth? Newspeak? What happens when we can't use the word 'woman' any more because it no longer means anything? The human race is going down the toilet and we are nearly past the S bend.
Humans just couldn't be satisfied with equal rights. It wasn't enough for a certain element that had everything to gain by continuing to fight for 'rights' that had already been won years ago. This is why they have come up with a whole dictionary full of meaningless, bullshit buzzterms that they fling around ad nauseum. I mean, 'trans genocide'? What the fuck?
I hear you, but what I hear is not a fair characterization of wokeness. They don’t care what you think as long as it isn’t objectionable.

What do you see as problematic about the term, “trans genocide”?
'As long as it isn't 'objectionable' '? That's 'big' of them :lol:

What the fuck is a 'trans genocide'? What does it mean??
I have no idea what "trans genocide" means. I just know what genocide and murder are. Those things seem to happen sometimes in human civilization. I have no idea what makes a person do such a thing but it probably has a lot to do with fear of someone they see as "other" or feel unable to trust.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:09 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:04 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:01 pm

I hear you, but what I hear is not a fair characterization of wokeness. They don’t care what you think as long as it isn’t objectionable.

What do you see as problematic about the term, “trans genocide”?
'As long as it isn't 'objectionable' '? That's 'big' of them :lol:

What the fuck is a 'trans genocide'? What does it mean??
I have no idea what "trans genocide" means. I just know what genocide and murder are. Those things seem to happen sometimes in human civilization. I have no idea what makes a person do such a thing but it probably has a lot to do with fear of someone they see as "other" or feel unable to trust.
I know what genocide is. It's actually despicable that the cult of woke is using that term at all, just because women are 'daring' to object to having men in their changing rooms, toilets, sports, prisons, rape crisis centres, hospital rooms....
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:09 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:04 pm

'As long as it isn't 'objectionable' '? That's 'big' of them :lol:

What the fuck is a 'trans genocide'? What does it mean??
I have no idea what "trans genocide" means. I just know what genocide and murder are. Those things seem to happen sometimes in human civilization. I have no idea what makes a person do such a thing but it probably has a lot to do with fear of someone they see as "other" or feel unable to trust.
I know what genocide is. It's actually despicable that the cult of woke is using that term at all.
Is it? As far as I can tell the "woke" view genocide as one of the greatest evils imaginable. Is that the wrong way to see things?

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:15 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:11 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:09 pm

I have no idea what "trans genocide" means. I just know what genocide and murder are. Those things seem to happen sometimes in human civilization. I have no idea what makes a person do such a thing but it probably has a lot to do with fear of someone they see as "other" or feel unable to trust.
I know what genocide is. It's actually despicable that the cult of woke is using that term at all.
Is it? As far as I can tell the "woke" view genocide as one of the greatest evils imaginable. Is that the wrong way to see things?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought you were brighter than this. Where is this 'trans genocide' happening and how? Are men in dresses and bad wigs being rounded up and thrown into mass graves? Where is this happening?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:20 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:15 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:11 pm

I know what genocide is. It's actually despicable that the cult of woke is using that term at all.
Is it? As far as I can tell the "woke" view genocide as one of the greatest evils imaginable. Is that the wrong way to see things?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought you were brighter than this. Where is this 'trans genocide' happening and how? Are men in dresses and bad wigs being rounded up and thrown into mass graves? Where is this happening?
I've read that people who are trans (or even culturally deviant to their surrounding society in any way) are often victims of prejudice, discrimination and sometimes the violence that results from distrust and scapegoating of others who don't fit the "correct" mold for their society. So, yes. I suspect there is more violence enacted toward the culturally deviant than to "normal" members of society. Do I think we should be performing massive reconfigurations of their bodies and biological chemistry in order to accommodate a child's experience growing up "different" from others around him or her? No. Should we promote toleration and diversity among people (so long as they aren't malicious)? Yes.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:29 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:20 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:15 pm

Is it? As far as I can tell the "woke" view genocide as one of the greatest evils imaginable. Is that the wrong way to see things?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought you were brighter than this. Where is this 'trans genocide' happening and how? Are men in dresses and bad wigs being rounded up and thrown into mass graves? Where is this happening?
I've read that people who are trans (or even culturally deviant to their surrounding society in any way) are often victims of prejudice, discrimination and sometimes the violence that results from distrust and scapegoating of others who don't fit the "correct" mold for society. So, yes. I suspect there is more violence enacted toward the culturally deviant than to "normal" members of society. Do I think we should be performing massive reconfigurations of their bodies and biological chemistry in order to accommodate a child's experience growing up "different" from others around him or her? No. Should we promote toleration and diversity among people (so long as they aren't malicious)? Yes.
More than to women? Give me a break. And it's hardly 'genocide' ffs. No one has ever said that they can't dress up as they want to, call themselves whatever they want to. It's the stomping on the rights of others that's causing the conflict. ''The so-called 'trans movement' has been infiltrated by autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles, each with their own agendas. Until they are exposed and rooted out the unfair backlash will be against all non-straight people and that's a very dangerous state of affairs.'' Everything is going backwards in time.
Everyone has the same rights under the law. That certainly wasn't always the case with gay men but it has been for some time. What are the 'rights' that so-called 'transpersons' are 'fighting for'? Most of them are straight men for fuck sake. They have NEVER said. It's all histrionics and buzzterms.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:39 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:29 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:20 pm

I thought you were brighter than this. Where is this 'trans genocide' happening and how? Are men in dresses and bad wigs being rounded up and thrown into mass graves? Where is this happening?
I've read that people who are trans (or even culturally deviant to their surrounding society in any way) are often victims of prejudice, discrimination and sometimes the violence that results from distrust and scapegoating of others who don't fit the "correct" mold for society. So, yes. I suspect there is more violence enacted toward the culturally deviant than to "normal" members of society. Do I think we should be performing massive reconfigurations of their bodies and biological chemistry in order to accommodate a child's experience growing up "different" from others around him or her? No. Should we promote toleration and diversity among people (so long as they aren't malicious)? Yes.
More than to women? Give me a break. And it's hardly 'genocide' ffs. No one has ever said that they can't dress up as they want to, call themselves whatever they want to. It's stomping on the rights of others that's causing the conflict. ''The so-called 'trans movement' has been infiltrated by autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles", each with their own agendas. Until they are exposed and rooted out the unfair backlash will be against all non-straight people and that's a very dangerous state of affairs.'' Everything is going backwards in time.
Everyone has the same 'rights' under the law. What are the 'rights' that so-called 'transpersons' are 'fighting for'? They have NEVER said. It's all histrionics and buzzterms.
Homosexual males are victims of violence quite often. In my own city which I live near, there was a mass shooting at a bar called "Pulse" which was a gay bar. Do they suffer the same level and frequency of violence as women sometimes do at the hands of toxic (for lack of a better word) males? I would doubt it. But they are victims of violence.

I'm not part of the "trans-movement". I haven't met many trans people, at least not held substantial conversations with any, so I can't say if the "movement" is "infiltrated" by "autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles. To be honest, I can't think of why "misogynists" would adopt the gender that they (I would assume from the label) despise. If someone assume the identity of someone else, it's usually the case from my experience that they adopt the identity that they admire for whatever reason. (And when I say, "admire" I'm not talking about people dressing as a female in order to infiltrate the ladies' room because they lust after women). There are those too. But, no. Opening the ladies' room to males who "identify" as female, is unfortunately not realistic for societies that don't want to minimize instances of rape or other violence against women.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:51 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:39 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:29 pm

I've read that people who are trans (or even culturally deviant to their surrounding society in any way) are often victims of prejudice, discrimination and sometimes the violence that results from distrust and scapegoating of others who don't fit the "correct" mold for society. So, yes. I suspect there is more violence enacted toward the culturally deviant than to "normal" members of society. Do I think we should be performing massive reconfigurations of their bodies and biological chemistry in order to accommodate a child's experience growing up "different" from others around him or her? No. Should we promote toleration and diversity among people (so long as they aren't malicious)? Yes.
More than to women? Give me a break. And it's hardly 'genocide' ffs. No one has ever said that they can't dress up as they want to, call themselves whatever they want to. It's stomping on the rights of others that's causing the conflict. ''The so-called 'trans movement' has been infiltrated by autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles", each with their own agendas. Until they are exposed and rooted out the unfair backlash will be against all non-straight people and that's a very dangerous state of affairs.'' Everything is going backwards in time.
Everyone has the same 'rights' under the law. What are the 'rights' that so-called 'transpersons' are 'fighting for'? They have NEVER said. It's all histrionics and buzzterms.
Homosexual males are victims of violence quite often. In my own city which I live near, there was a mass shooting at a bar called "Pulse" which was a gay bar. Do they suffer the same level and frequency of violence as women sometimes do at the hands of toxic (for lack of a better word) males? I would doubt it. But they are victims of violence.

I'm not part of the "trans-movement". I haven't met many trans people, at least not held substantial conversations with any, so I can't say if the "movement" is "infiltrated" by "autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles. To be honest, I can't think of why "misogynists" would adopt the gender that they (I would assume from the label) despise. If someone assume the identity of someone else, it's usually the case from my experience that they adopt the identity that they admire for whatever reason. (And when I say, "admire" I'm not talking about people dressing as a female in order to infiltrate the ladies' room because they lust after women). There are those too. But, no. Opening the ladies' room to males who "identify" as female, is unfortunately not realistic for societies that don't want to minimize instances of rape or other violence against women.
Not 'admire'; want to control and intimidate and essentially supplant and erase. You really don't have a clue about this. As a man it doesn't affect you anyway, unless you decide that you 'are' a woman because you think you have a better chance of getting with a lesbian (that's A LOT more common than you think).
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:51 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:39 pm

More than to women? Give me a break. And it's hardly 'genocide' ffs. No one has ever said that they can't dress up as they want to, call themselves whatever they want to. It's stomping on the rights of others that's causing the conflict. ''The so-called 'trans movement' has been infiltrated by autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles", each with their own agendas. Until they are exposed and rooted out the unfair backlash will be against all non-straight people and that's a very dangerous state of affairs.'' Everything is going backwards in time.
Everyone has the same 'rights' under the law. What are the 'rights' that so-called 'transpersons' are 'fighting for'? They have NEVER said. It's all histrionics and buzzterms.
Homosexual males are victims of violence quite often. In my own city which I live near, there was a mass shooting at a bar called "Pulse" which was a gay bar. Do they suffer the same level and frequency of violence as women sometimes do at the hands of toxic (for lack of a better word) males? I would doubt it. But they are victims of violence.

I'm not part of the "trans-movement". I haven't met many trans people, at least not held substantial conversations with any, so I can't say if the "movement" is "infiltrated" by "autogynephiles, homophobes, incels, misogynists and paedophiles. To be honest, I can't think of why "misogynists" would adopt the gender that they (I would assume from the label) despise. If someone assume the identity of someone else, it's usually the case from my experience that they adopt the identity that they admire for whatever reason. (And when I say, "admire" I'm not talking about people dressing as a female in order to infiltrate the ladies' room because they lust after women). There are those too. But, no. Opening the ladies' room to males who "identify" as female, is unfortunately not realistic for societies that don't want to minimize instances of rape or other violence against women.
Not 'admire', want to control and intimidate. You really don't have a clue about this. As a man it doesn't affect you anyway, unless you decide that you 'are' a woman because you think you have a better chance of getting with a lesbian (that's A LOT more common than you think).
I don't know. I live in Florida. We have a governor who is a member of the US Republican Party. Where I live, work and travel, men are not allowed in women's restrooms. I'm fine with that. It sounds like insanity to me to open women's restrooms up to sexually confused males or visa versa. Maybe a separate private restroom labeled "Universal" could be created to accommodate anyone who doesn't want to do their business in the restroom assigned to them. That makes the most sense to me. Do I despise the "woke"? No. They're human beings too and for whatever reason are struggling with their social surroundings.
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Maybe a separate private restroom labeled "Universal" could be created to accommodate anyone who doesn't want to do their business in the restroom assigned to them. That makes the most sense to me.
How would that work?

If you don't let a man who identifies as a woman into the Women's Restroom, then you are discriminating against trans. You're not recognizing their identity. You're committing trans genocide.
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phyllo wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:20 pm
Maybe a separate private restroom labeled "Universal" could be created to accommodate anyone who doesn't want to do their business in the restroom assigned to them. That makes the most sense to me.
How would that work?

If you don't let a man who identifies as a woman into the Women's Restroom, then you are discriminating against trans. You're not recognizing their identity. You're committing trans genocide.
Not really but if that's what the "trans movement" truly believes, then yes. They are going off the wall.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:55 pm
popeye1945 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:21 am

America is no more "fascist" than China, Russia or any other relatively more racially and culturally homogentisic society. Tribalism (the turn inward to one's "own" and away from pluralism and care for the "other") is engulfing many countries of the world right now--including many in Europe. As long as the US is in the hands of "woke" culture, then that tendency is mitigated to whatever degree.
Think about how much the world hates America, and what it would take to unite so many diverse cultures. America has been the most warlike country in the world since 1955, and world domination by any means necessary has been its program. Right now, it has put the whole world in jeopardy in its quest for world domination. America has made the same mistake as Hitler, when he believed that all that was necessary to conquer Russia was to kick its door down. Russia crushed the Nazi monster war machine, and if necessary, it will crush the American monster war machine.
If that's what you want to believe, good luck. No thanks. Go to the house next door, they might buy what you have to sell.
It's the land of the brave and the home of the free for you is it, that is so fucking naive I am embarrassed for you. The statement about America being the most war like country in the world since 1955, is a direct quote of president Jimmy Carter.
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