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[Harbal]

There is no need to nit-pick in my case.

I stated there is a continuum in the FSKed objectivity.
I believe any rational person will understand me when I state,
while the scientific FSK is in one end of the continuum of objectivity, the theistic-FSK is on the other extreme of the continuum.

It is the same in the context of colors if I were to put white on one end of a continuum of greyness with black at the other end.

The understanding is not the problem. Your choices are perfectly clear.

But it's precisely because YOU are doing the ranking (you have an undefined notion of "higher" or "lower" rank), and not their inherent properties is where the discontinuity emerges.

Because (arbitrary) choice is the discontinuity.

So you are saying that VA is an incompetant idiot? I think that's a bit strong, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Harbal]

There is no need to nit-pick in my case.

I stated there is a continuum in the FSKed objectivity.
I believe any rational person will understand me when I state,
while the scientific FSK is in one end of the continuum of objectivity, the theistic-FSK is on the other extreme of the continuum.

It is the same in the context of colors if I were to put white on one end of a continuum of greyness with black at the other end.

The understanding is not the problem. Your choices are perfectly clear.

But it's precisely because YOU are doing the ranking (you have an undefined notion of "higher" or "lower" rank), and not their inherent properties is where the discontinuity emerges.

Because (arbitrary) choice is the discontinuity.

Since it is FSK-ed the ranking has to be based on a collective basis just as millions or billions will accept the black-grey-white continuum.
If it is only 'me' then it would be the tabooed subjectivity which I will not accept.

Tell him to mind his own business, VA, he's always butting in where he's not wanted.

[Skepdick]

Tell him to mind his own business, VA, he's always butting in where he's not wanted.

It's a public space.

If you don't want me here, then mind your own business and leave.

[Harbal]

Tell him to mind his own business, VA, he's always butting in where he's not wanted.

It's a public space.

Exactly. I would tell VA to take a hike if I were you.

[Skepdick]

Exactly. I would tell VA to take a hike if I were you.

Don't tell me what to tell him.

[Iwannaplato]

Since it is FSK-ed the ranking has to be based on a collective basis just as millions or billions will accept the black-grey-white continuum.

I'm assuming that 'millions or billions' refers to people. And I think the 'will' is a must, given that millions or billions NOW are not going to agree with your sense of the scientific vs. theistic FSK ranking.

If it is only 'me' then it would be the tabooed subjectivity which I will not accept.

You have a method for determining the rankings of the FSKs. When you have described this method in the past (not that you referred to it as a method) sometimes there was a kind of appeal to incredulity (of course the scientific FSK is better), once you used Chatgpt which showed that lots of people believed the scientific FSK was more objective (which is a kind of appeal to popularity). I think you would agree that both incredulity appeals can be problematic (for example for antirealists and others with counterintuitive beliefs) and also popularity arguments (which could support theism).

So, the issue still up in the air is: what is the FSK that ranks FSKs?

If all human-based knowledge comes via a human based FSK AND the ranking system you put forward is knowledge, then there must be an FSK for determining the ranking.

What is that FSK? Can you describe the system and framework and how you used it?

[Harbal]

Exactly. I would tell VA to take a hike if I were you.

Don't tell me what to tell him.

I didn't tell you what to tell him; I told you what I would tell him if I were in your place. If you want to let him walk all over you, that's your business.

[Skepdick]

Exactly. I would tell VA to take a hike if I were you.

Don't tell me what to tell him.

I didn't tell you what to tell him; I told you what I would tell him if I were in your place. If you want to let him walk all over you, that's your business.

OK, but why are you telling me things?

If I were in your place I'd tell somebody else.

[Harbal]

Don't tell me what to tell him.

I didn't tell you what to tell him; I told you what I would tell him if I were in your place. If you want to let him walk all over you, that's your business.

OK, but why are you telling me things?

Because I don't like to see you being made a fool of.

[Skepdick]

I didn't tell you what to tell him; I told you what I would tell him if I were in your place. If you want to let him walk all over you, that's your business.

OK, but why are you telling me things?

Because I don't like to see you being made a fool of.

You are a fool if you think I am so easily fooled.

[Harbal]

OK, but why are you telling me things?

Because I don't like to see you being made a fool of.

You are a fool

[Skepdick]

Because I don't like to see you being made a fool of.

You are a fool

There's a whole lot of IF... you left out.

[Harbal]

You are a fool

There's a whole lot of IF... you left out.

This is a philosophy forum; I was using Occam's razor.

[Skepdick]

This is a philosophy forum; I was using Occam's razor.

That's what happens when you play with razors.

[Atla]

The Big Bang is a speculated theory without direct evidence, as such, its objectivity would be rated relatively much lower that evidence justified theories, say 20/100 in contrast to 'oxygen is a gas at room temperature' at say 80/100 objectivity.

Looks like we use science done on the assumed real external world, as the main metric to establish how good an FSK is. And then we turn around and throw out this real external world nonsense, only those blinded by illusions and existential cryses would have anything to do with it.

It may look like a duck, walk like a duck, swim like a duck, fly like a duck, quack like a duck, and it's best to treat it as if it was a duck. But we must absolutely never ever think that it could really be a duck, now that would be just flat out crazy.