Reincarnation

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Re: Reincarnation

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seeds wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:39 pm
Age wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 3:21 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:49 pm ...what is your personal explanation for "how and why" we and the universe exist?
FINALLY.

Now, so 'this' does NOT take AGES, let us SAY that the 'we' word here refers to 'you', human beings, then HOW 'you', human beings, and the Universe exist IS BECAUSE of the EXACT SAME 'thing', or process. That is; The Universe, Itself, EXACTLY like 'you', is fundamentally made up of 'matter' AND 'space', ALONE.

Now, there can ONLY EVER BE three scenarios:
Sorry, I just had to stop right there to highlight the absolute absurdity of that last prefacing sentence.

Continuing on...
Age wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 3:21 pm 1. There is just 'singularity', which would just be a solitary piece of 'matter', infinite 'spatially' and eternal 'temporally'.

2. There is just 'space', in the sense of absolutely NO 'thing' AT ALL, again which would just be solitary also, as well as infinite 'spatially' and eternal 'temporally'.

Although 'spatial' and 'temporal' have NO ACTUAL 'meaning' here because neither solitary 'things' could be referenced to ANY OTHER 'thing'.



3. There IS 'what' exists HERE, NOW. That is; BOTH 'space' AND 'matter' co-existing TOGETHER. Which, by the way, have been infinitely AND eternally.

See, although 1. or 2. could exist, theoretically, they could NOT have, EVER, existed, and this is just BECAUSE 'one' could NOT CHANGE IN ANY way whatsoever. And 'we' KNOW that 3. DOES EXIST BECAUSE there IS, at least One 'Thing' here contemplating ALL-OF-THIS. Which then MEANS that BECAUSE there is SOME 'thing' BESIDES just INFINITE and ETERNAL 'space' OR INFINITE and ETERNAL 'matter', then 3. IS what ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY exists, and DOES SO FOREVER.

Now, some of 'you', human beings, may like to CLAIM that EITHER, there WAS absolutely NO 'thing', from which Everything CAME, or there WAS some 'thing', with some 'name' like 'God' or 'the big bang', from which Everything CAME. BUT, then 'we' ARE BACK to what EVERY child would PONDER and QUESTION now, 'WHERE did either of these two 'things' come from, EXACTLY, IF Everything BEGAN?'

Any so-called 'God', or 'thing', existing BEFORE Everything was created is just ABSURDITY in the ABSOLUTE EXTREME, for the CLEARLY OBVIOUS REASONS, that even EVERY child PICKS UP, on almost instantaneously. And, to CLAIM that Everything came FROM a so-called 'big bang', or 'singularity', then two 'things' here:

1. If some so-called 'big bang' created Everything, or was the cause of Everything, then BECAUSE of 'cause and effect', 'What CAUSED 'the big bang' to EXIST, prior to Everything, AND what caused 'whatever 'it' WAS' to go 'bang'?

2. Now, OF COURSE, what 'it' WAS, which went 'bang', could have been what is sometimes called and referred to as 'singularity', that is; an infinite compression of 'matter'. Which, OBVIOUSLY, could have been existing, and when off with 'a bang', which could of, also OBVIOUSLY, occurred. However, an 'infinite compression of matter', which means a piece of 'matter' WITHOUT ANY 'space', WITHIN 'it', which could OBVIOUSLY exist. For all 'we' KNOW ALL the 'matter' in the Universe could have been 'crunched together' into one singular piece of 'matter'. But, 'this piece of matter' could NOT expand unless there WAS 'space', or a distance of NO 'thing', in which 'it' could EXPAND.

So, OBVIOUSLY, for a 'single piece of infinitely compressed 'matter', that is; 'matter' with NO 'space' in 'it', TO EXPAND, then there HAD TO BE 'space' EXISTING outside of 'that matter' went of with 'a bang'. Which all to EASILY and SIMPLY could HAVE OCCURRED. However, BECAUSE there MUST of been SOME 'thing', that IS; 'a piece of matter' AND 'space', at that 'time' or moment, EXISTING, then either BOTH of those 'things' were EXISTING eternally BEFOREHAND, or ALL matter IS CONTINUALLY 'expanding' and 'contracting', ETERNALLY. BECAUSE there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that 'one piece of matter' COULD go off with 'a bang', ALL by itself. For ABSOLUTELY ANY and EVERY 'thing' to BE CREATED, there HAS TO BE at least TWO 'things' PRIOR, which CAME TOGETHER. For EVERY 'action' there IS a 'reaction', and for EVERY 'reaction', there IS CREATION as some 'thing' NEW IS CREATED.

And, OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW could be CREATED if just one solitary single piece of 'matter' EXISTED WITHIN the whole of what is sometimes called and referred to as 'space'.

SURE, 'matter' could be CONTINUALLY 'expanding' FROM a so-called 'big bang', AND then 'contracting' into one solitary singular piece of infinitely compressed 'matter', but what was called 'the big bang' might then just be 'one bang' out of countless 'bangs', and in relative terms might not even necessarily been that much of a 'big' bang, as it might have only been A PORTION of ALL the 'matter' in the Universe infinitely compressed together into just 'one' of MANY, then misnomered, 'singularities'.

Now, since the Universe IS, the way 'It' IS, that is; made up of 'space' AND 'matter' TOGETHER, which IS infinite AND eternal, in length, HOW ALL 'things', including the Universe, EXIST IS BECAUSE of HOW 'matter' AND 'space' CO-EXIST TOGETHER. There is NO OTHER way than 'this way', and WHAT HAPPENS and OCCURS 'this way' IS; 'matter', BECAUSE OF 'space' is ABLE to move about ABSOLUTELY FREELY, and when 'matter' IS MOVING ABOUT 'it' IS INTER-ACTING with itself, and coming together with itself, CAUSING the CREATION of new/er 'things' ALL the time. That IS; thee One 'Thing' here KNOWN AS the Universe, Itself, is just CONTINUALLY CHANGING in shape and form ALWAYS, and in ALL WAYS, some might say or suggest. This CONTINUAL CHANGE, which 'creates' EVERY 'thing' is just 'evolution', itself, by the way. The One Everything IS just CREATING, through EVOLUTION, ALL of the 'things', which are KNOWN, or thought ABOUT, by 'you', human beings.

By the way, it IS the 'friction' CAUSED by 'matter' INTERACTING with itself, which OCCURS BECAUSE of 'space' remember, which is WHAT CAUSES or CREATES 'energy', itself. The friction caused by matter 'bumping' into itself, which HAPPENS ETERNALLY, is WHY 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another'.

EVERY action CAUSES a reaction, and it is, literally, this never-beginning and never-ending One REACTION that IS CREATION, Itself. HOW EVERY 'thing' EXISTS IS BECAUSE this is HOW EVERY 'thing' IS CREATED, through a never-ending EVOLUTIONARY process.

Now, WHY does 'you', and the Universe, EXIST, IS to bear witness to WHAT I AM Creating HERE-NOW. AND BECAUSE there just could NOT be ANY OTHER WAY, as, partly, EXPLAINED above here.
Do you actually believe that that incoherent hodgepodge of some general scientific concepts, cobbled together with a few of your purely speculative imaginings, explains how the utterly blind and mindless processes of chance managed to create this...

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...this...

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...this...

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...this...

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...and, finally, this...

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...just to name a few of the amazing features of reality :?: :?: :?:

If I were to adopt your adolescent habit of using LOLs after everything I disagree with, then now would certainly be a fitting moment.

Indeed, the sheer idiocy of thinking that the blind and mindless processes of chance could have magically produced what would take dozens of genres of innumerable encyclopedias to list, is beyond measure.

Anyway, to sum-up your so-called "explanation" of how and why we and the universe exist, then, according to you, the whole universe exists so that we humans ("...in the days when this is being written...") can all bear witness to an utterly meaningless and nonsensical explanation as to how and why we and the universe exist.

Got it.

Thank you, Age.

Thanks to your amazing offering of irrefutable truth and clarifying enlightenment, the only thing left for the rest of us to do from this moment on, is to chop wood and carry water. :roll:

In a later post, you accused Atla of the following...
Age wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 1:09 pm 'This one' LITERALLY BELIEVES what 'it' STATES and CLAIMS is SO TRUE that 'it' can NOT even SEE that a LOT of what 'it' STATES and CLAIMS is true here is ACTUALLY ALL of 'its' OWN MAKING, and exists SOLELY in the IMAGINATION WITHIN 'that body'.
You keep proving my earlier assertions about your mental status. Indeed, you are so completely lacking in self-awareness, and so under the thrall of your "D-K E" (Dunning-Kruger Effect) affliction, that you are incapable of recognizing that the above quote is pure "projection" on your part.

You have inadvertently provided us with what is, in essence, a signed confession that succinctly describes the reason and impetus behind every comment you have ever made on this forum.
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YET there is NOT one paragraph, sentence, nor even just one word of mine, which you have CHOSEN to even 'TRY TO' counter nor refute here. And, the reason for 'this' is because 'you' are NOT even capable to do so "seeds".

LOL "seeds" even from your first sentence in this reply 'you' could NOT have been MORE CLOSED, and thus MORE STUPID, and to PROVE 'this' true I will ASK 'you' here now to PROVE 'your' CLAIM there, or to at least elaborate on 'your' CLAIM. Now, 'your' response, or NON response as may be, WILL PROVE my CLAIM here
True.

As WILL BE CLEARLY SEEN.

Oh, and by the way, 'your' list of absolutely Wrong and Incorrect ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS continues to GROW here.
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Re: Reincarnation

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Gary Childress wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 12:36 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:01 pm I've been thinking about the possibility of reincarnation, and after much deliberation (one minute and twenty three seconds) I have concluded the notion to be utterly bonkers, and that's that. :roll:
I hope it's bonkers. Who wants to go back through this shit show again. No thanks, God. Please just go away and leave me out of any more of your "plans". That goes for "nature" or "fate" too. This world is a crap fest. :|
AND the ACTUAL creator/s of 'this world' is ONLY 'you' adult human beings.
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Re: Reincarnation

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Will Bouwman wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 9:51 am
Harbal wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 9:13 pmI have come to suspect more and more that we will never have any significant idea of what true reality might be until we have discovered what consciousness is.
"If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't."
Emerson M. Pugh
LOL

The human brain IS SO SIMPLE that 'it' more or less just works EXACTLY like a computer does.

That is; 'it' can only put out what has been put in 'it'.

The Mind is what ACTUALLY ALLOWED 'you', human beings, to be ABLE TO-COME to UNDERSTAND this Fact.
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Re: Reincarnation

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Age wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 10:33 am
The word 'consciousness' just refers to being aware; awareness.

'Consciousness', capital 'C', refers to thee one and ONLY One, which is AWARE of ALL 'things', or Everything.

'consciousness', small 'c', refers to 'things' like 'you', human beings, who are, at times, aware of SOME 'things', or a part of Everything.

The word 'consciousness' is just in reference to the 'awareness', within a body.

But if ANY one at all finds ANY of 'this' 'interesting' or NOT, then we will just have to WAIT, and SEE.
You are simply describing the experience of consciousness; the perception of it. But what does consciousness consist of, and how does it come into being? Am I consciousness and are you a separate consciousness, or is every thing that is conscious just tapped into one universal pool of consciousness?
'Consciousness', capital 'C', refers to thee one and ONLY One, which is AWARE of ALL 'things', or Everything.
Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
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Re: Reincarnation

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attofishpi wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 10:19 am
Will Bouwman wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 9:51 am
Harbal wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 9:13 pmI have come to suspect more and more that we will never have any significant idea of what true reality might be until we have discovered what consciousness is.
"If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't."
Emerson M. Pugh
GOLD.

I'm embarrassed by the number of times I had to read that to comprehend it.
For those that have ANY interest at all it is IN SIMPLISITCY where True UNDERSTANDING IS FOUND, and SEEN.
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Re: Reincarnation

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Harbal wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Atla wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:10 pm
The big irony of philosophy is that Western philosophers have been looking for something "extra" for centuries, in order to explain consciousness.
I have come to suspect more and more that we will never have any significant idea of what true reality might be until we have discovered what consciousness is. I also suspect that understanding consciousness could well be impossible. I further suspect that I don't know what I'm talking about. :?
What can we do, but make educated guesses..

In nondualism, which is the Occam's razor solution (most likely to be correct, but still could be dead wrong of course), consciousness is simply existence, the world, and this can't be any other way than in first-person-view. Which is not to say however that the world is some kind of big being.

Its's kinda like the philosophy beyond panpsychism, where the mental-material duality is collapsed because they are one and the same thing. And the I-other duality is collapsed because they are one and the same thing.

We Westerners think that every one of us has an individual consciousness. But consciousness is simply the world. And we are parts of it with our individual human minds, but the same way, rocks are also parts of it. Consciousness is eternal which is nice.

Consciousness means at lest two other things too. Consciousness as the individual mind: only organisms with nervous systems are known to have this.
Consciousness as in self-awareness: only a few species, all with fairly advanced minds, seem to have this.

So consciousness means at least three different things, that co-incide in humans. Age came up with a fourth one, but that particular definition is only good for muddying things.
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Re: Reincarnation

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Age wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:42 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 12:36 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:01 pm I've been thinking about the possibility of reincarnation, and after much deliberation (one minute and twenty three seconds) I have concluded the notion to be utterly bonkers, and that's that. :roll:
I hope it's bonkers. Who wants to go back through this shit show again. No thanks, God. Please just go away and leave me out of any more of your "plans". That goes for "nature" or "fate" too. This world is a crap fest. :|
AND the ACTUAL creator/s of 'this world' is ONLY 'you' adult human beings.
Don't sell yourself short, Age. You're doing pretty good at creating this world too. We're all contributing our best to this, either doing what God must have intended or else doing what seems to come naturally to us. :wink:
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Re: Reincarnation

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Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am
Age wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 10:33 am
The word 'consciousness' just refers to being aware; awareness.

'Consciousness', capital 'C', refers to thee one and ONLY One, which is AWARE of ALL 'things', or Everything.

'consciousness', small 'c', refers to 'things' like 'you', human beings, who are, at times, aware of SOME 'things', or a part of Everything.

The word 'consciousness' is just in reference to the 'awareness', within a body.

But if ANY one at all finds ANY of 'this' 'interesting' or NOT, then we will just have to WAIT, and SEE.
You are simply describing the experience of consciousness; the perception of it. But what does consciousness consist of, and how does it come into being?
How about you tell me what 'thoughts', 'emotions', 'Mind', 'awareness', and any of the other invisible to the physical eyes 'things' consist of, or could even consist of, FIRST, and EXACTLY, then we will see how I go informing you of what 'consciousness', itself, consists of, or could exist of, EXACTLY. That is; if I even can.

The best and probably only way that i could explain how 'consciousness, itself, came into being is just through evolution, or maybe 'it' has just always existed but only through a species which has the ability to gather, store, and recall information well enough, again which resulted because of and through the continual evolving process, that species has just come to, and is continuing to, better understand 'consciousness', itself
Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am Am I consciousness and are you a separate consciousness, or is every thing that is conscious just tapped into one universal pool of consciousness?
There exists thee (Universal) 'I', which is (FULLY) Conscious of ALL and Everything. How this works/achieved is from and through EVERY 'thing', which, some of, like 'you', human beings, and other animals for example, are conscious, but only of some 'things'. So it is through the collective sum of ALL conscious, (perceived 'separate'), 'things' how the universal Consciousness exists.

Now, how to tap into the universal pool of Consciousness, Itself, is done by just LOOKING and SEEING FROM EVERY 'things' perspective. 'you' will KNOW when 'you' are doing 'this' Correctly when 'you' can ascertain that EVERY one could AGREE WITH and ACCEPT some 'thing', which by the way would also be an ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth as well.
Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am
'Consciousness', capital 'C', refers to thee one and ONLY One, which is AWARE of ALL 'things', or Everything.
Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
Some of 'you', human beings, call and name this 'Thing', or this 'One', the Spirit, Allah, God, Enlightenment, or just SAGE if you like, among other names and labels.

Now, what all these words are referring to, EXACTLY, in the visible sense, is just the Universe, Itself, and, in the invisible sense, just thee Mind, Itself.

How I KNOW of these two 'Things' is because 'I' would NOT be HERE, NOW (in this Universe) communicating WITH 'you', nor NOT WITH thy Self, as the "nondualists" among 'you' might say, (WITH and THROUGH thee Mind).

Because there IS A Mind, HERE, in what is called this Universe, this is how I KNOW THERE IS these 'Things' EXISTING as One,
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Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
Age has a fractured mind with at least two personality fragments, just like attofishpi. One of the personality fragments is God, so Age thinks that this universal "I" is communicating through him/her.
It's almost completely impossible to make such people realize that it's just in their heads, but I tried anyway just to see what happens. I failed of course. :)
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Re: Reincarnation

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Atla wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 am
Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
Age has a fractured mind with at least two personality fragments, just like attofishpi. One of the personality fragments is God, so Age thinks that this universal "I" is communicating through him/her.
It's almost completely impossible to make such people realize that it's just in their heads, but I tried anyway just to see what happens. I failed of course. :)
Of course you failed - because EVERYTHING is in our heads IDIOT - explain something that is NOT in your head.

Hey dipshit, didn't real eyes you were one, I just stumbled upon this - maybe I should write some code to pick up when people are making misrepresentations of me.

Can you please explain how ANYTHING that you me Harbal and Age comprehend\perceive is NOT in our head? :D
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Atla wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 2:24 pm
Harbal wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Atla wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 8:10 pm
The big irony of philosophy is that Western philosophers have been looking for something "extra" for centuries, in order to explain consciousness.
I have come to suspect more and more that we will never have any significant idea of what true reality might be until we have discovered what consciousness is. I also suspect that understanding consciousness could well be impossible. I further suspect that I don't know what I'm talking about. :?
What can we do, but make educated guesses..

What ELSE you CAN, and you COULD, DO is JUST EXPRESS what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True, INSTEAD.

In nondualism, which is the Occam's razor solution (most likely to be correct, but still could be dead wrong of course), consciousness is simply existence, the world, and this can't be any other way than in first-person-view. Which is not to say however that the world is some kind of big being.

Its's kinda like the philosophy beyond panpsychism, where the mental-material duality is collapsed because they are one and the same thing. And the I-other duality is collapsed because they are one and the same thing.

We Westerners think that every one of us has an individual consciousness. But consciousness is simply the world. And we are parts of it with our individual human minds, but the same way, rocks are also parts of it. Consciousness is eternal which is nice.

Consciousness means at lest two other things too. Consciousness as the individual mind: only organisms with nervous systems are known to have this.
Consciousness as in self-awareness: only a few species, all with fairly advanced minds, seem to have this.

So consciousness means at least three different things, that co-incide in humans. Age came up with a fourth one, but that particular definition is only good for muddying things.
What "atla" has successfully done here is just re-repeat, or 'parrot', the ALREADY Incorrect views of SOME"others".
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Re: Reincarnation

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Atla wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 am
Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
Age has a fractured mind with at least two personality fragments, just like attofishpi. One of the personality fragments is God, so Age thinks that this universal "I" is communicating through him/her.
It's almost completely impossible to make such people realize that it's just in their heads, but I tried anyway just to see what happens. I failed of course. :)
you FAILED, OF COURSE, BECAUSE INSTEAD of SEEKING CLARITY and UNDERSTANDING you just PREFER to DIAGNOSE, FIRST.

What you have ASSUMED here is NOT even Correct, so your DIAGNOSES are ALSO Wrong and Incorrect.
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Age wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:40 pm
How about you tell me what 'thoughts', 'emotions', 'Mind', 'awareness', and any of the other invisible to the physical eyes 'things' consist of, or could even consist of, FIRST, and EXACTLY, then we will see how I go informing you of what 'consciousness', itself, consists of, or could exist of, EXACTLY. That is; if I even can.
But this is my point: I can't even begin to conceive of what thoughts and emotions are. I know the experience of them, but I have no idea what they consist of, or by what mechanism -either physical or non-physical- they are brought into being.
The best and probably only way that i could explain how 'consciousness, itself, came into being is just through evolution, or maybe 'it' has just always existed but only through a species which has the ability to gather, store, and recall information well enough, again which resulted because of and through the continual evolving process, that species has just come to, and is continuing to, better understand 'consciousness', itself

There exists thee (Universal) 'I', which is (FULLY) Conscious of ALL and Everything. How this works/achieved is from and through EVERY 'thing', which, some of, like 'you', human beings, and other animals for example, are conscious, but only of some 'things'. So it is through the collective sum of ALL conscious, (perceived 'separate'), 'things' how the universal Consciousness exists.

Now, how to tap into the universal pool of Consciousness, Itself, is done by just LOOKING and SEEING FROM EVERY 'things' perspective. 'you' will KNOW when 'you' are doing 'this' Correctly when 'you' can ascertain that EVERY one could AGREE WITH and ACCEPT some 'thing', which by the way would also be an ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth as well.
This doesn't explain what consciousness is; at least not in a way that answers my questions about consciousness. I find it very difficult to put into words what I am actually asking for, so I'm not too surprised that I'm not getting it.

We can observe and explain what physical objects are made of, and when the physical object is functional, as with a machine, or a bodily organ, we can observe and explain the processes and mechanisms at work. It's hard to deny the existence of consciousness; in fact, it seems to be the only thing we can be certain of. So consciousness is something, but we have no idea what it's made of, and I'm not sure it even makes sense to ask the question. Likewise, we cannot observe or explain its functioning, we can only we aware of the result of its functioning. So it exists and it functions, but we can't explain either of those facts, yet -to me at least- consciousness seems to be fundamental to reality.

Is consciousness produced by the brain; an emergent property of it, or does consciousness just coexist with the brain? If they just coexist, where does the consciousness come from, and how is the coexistence brought about? Is consciousness the same thing as conscious awareness, or is conscious awareness an amalgamation of consciousness and something else? I could write an almost endless list of such questions without the slightest prospect of being able to answer any of them, and I would be both surprised and delighted if anyone else could come up with a satisfactory answer to any of them.
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attofishpi wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:09 pm
Atla wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 am
Harbal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:52 am Will you explain what this "one and ONLY One" is, and how you know there is such a one and only one.
Age has a fractured mind with at least two personality fragments, just like attofishpi. One of the personality fragments is God, so Age thinks that this universal "I" is communicating through him/her.
It's almost completely impossible to make such people realize that it's just in their heads, but I tried anyway just to see what happens. I failed of course. :)
Of course you failed - because EVERYTHING is in our heads IDIOT - explain something that is NOT in your head.

Hey dipshit, didn't real eyes you were one, I just stumbled upon this - maybe I should write some code to pick up when people are making misrepresentations of me.

Can you please explain how ANYTHING that you me Harbal and Age comprehend\perceive is NOT in our head? :D
So you agree then that the third party intelligence doesn't actually exist out there, you just made him up?
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Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm
Age wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 10:40 pm
How about you tell me what 'thoughts', 'emotions', 'Mind', 'awareness', and any of the other invisible to the physical eyes 'things' consist of, or could even consist of, FIRST, and EXACTLY, then we will see how I go informing you of what 'consciousness', itself, consists of, or could exist of, EXACTLY. That is; if I even can.
But this is my point: I can't even begin to conceive of what thoughts and emotions are.
BUT, conceiving what 'things' ARE, EXACTLY, can be VERY DIFFERENT to conceiving what 'things' CONSIST OF, EXACTLY.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm I know the experience of them, but I have no idea what they consist of, or by what mechanism -either physical or non-physical- they are brought into being.
OKAY.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm
This doesn't explain what consciousness is; at least not in a way that answers my questions about consciousness
What do you want TO KNOW here, EXACTLY?

What a 'tree' IS EXACTLY, can be EXPRESSED, and EXPLAINED, VERY DIFFERENTLY FROM what a 'tree' CONSISTS OF, EXACTLY.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm I find it very difficult to put into words what I am actually asking for, so I'm not too surprised that I'm not getting it.
I suggest that you just ASK, Openly, and Honestly what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you want the answer/s to here.

For example, do you WANT to KNOW what 'consciousness', itself, DOES, IS, or CONSISTS OF, EXACTLY? Or, is there some 'thing' ELSE here that you really WANT to LEARN and KNOW?
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm We can observe and explain what physical objects are made of, and when the physical object is functional, as with a machine, or a bodily organ, we can observe and explain the processes and mechanisms at work. It's hard to deny the existence of consciousness; in fact, it seems to be the only thing we can be certain of. So consciousness is something, but we have no idea what it's made of, and I'm not sure it even makes sense to ask the question.
SO WHY ASK what does 'consciousness' CONSIST OF, previously?

By the way I am glad that you picked up in the Fact that it IS the VISIBLE 'things', which are MUCH SIMPLER Aand EASIER TO WORK OUT, and EXPLAIN, than it is the INVISIBLE 'things'.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm Likewise, we cannot observe or explain its functioning, we can only we aware of the result of its functioning. So it exists and it functions, but we can't explain either of those facts, yet -to me at least- consciousness seems to be fundamental to reality.

Is consciousness produced by the brain; an emergent property of it, or does consciousness just coexist with the brain?
The latter.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm If they just coexist, where does the consciousness come from,
The Mind.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm and how is the coexistence brought about?
The same way EVERY 'thing' else that 'coexists' is 'brought about'. But I will NEED to BETTER UNDERSTAND what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you are WANTING TO LEARN and UNDERSTAND BETTER here to be able to BETTER ANSWER and respond here.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm Is consciousness the same thing as conscious awareness, or is conscious awareness an amalgamation of consciousness and something else?
'This' ALL depends DIRECTLY UPON how you are defining these words and are ACTUALLY SEEKING here.
Harbal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 3:50 pm I could write an almost endless list of such questions without the slightest prospect of being able to answer any of them, and I would be both surprised and delighted if anyone else could come up with a satisfactory answer to any of them.
Well EXPECT to be DELIGHTED and SURPRISED.

BUT, OF COURSE, 'this' will all depend on your CLAIM here about 'such questions' NOT having 'the SLIGHTEST PROSPECT if being ANSWERED' was in relation to 'you' or in relation to ABSOLUTELY EVERY one, a
AND how MUCH BELIEF you are HOLDING WITH 'this view'
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