WE NEED MORE GUNS..

[commonsense]

Unlike you, I couldn't care less who believes what.

Why are you lying?

Why are you still running round in circles? going nowhere. Oh come on now, why doesn't anyone believe Skepdick? Please someone just believe him.

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

[Harbal]

What does that have to do with the OP?

Well, if I could be lying about being a policeman - he could be lying about being anti-gun.

If someone intentionally deceives you by presenting arguments he doesn’t believe, does that affect the validity of his arguments?

I don't recall presenting any arguments. I have given my opinion that allowing the general public to own guns seems insane to me. Maybe it's appropriate in some countries, I really don't know, but it isn't appropriate in my country.

[commonsense]

Well, if I could be lying about being a policeman - he could be lying about being anti-gun.

If someone intentionally deceives you by presenting arguments he doesn’t believe, does that affect the validity of his arguments?

I don't recall presenting any arguments. I have given my opinion that allowing the general public to own guns seems insane to me. Maybe it's appropriate in some countries, I really don't know, but it isn't appropriate in my country.

Oops! I was conflating opinions with arguments.

[commonsense]

If someone intentionally deceives you by presenting arguments he doesn’t believe, does that affect the validity of his arguments?

I don't recall presenting any arguments. I have given my opinion that allowing the general public to own guns seems insane to me. Maybe it's appropriate in some countries, I really don't know, but it isn't appropriate in my country.

Oops! I was conflating opinions with arguments.

Or with claims.

[Skepdick]

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe then they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

[commonsense]

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

You cannot lie to yourself.

[Dontaskme]

You are missing the point as usual because you are actually quite dumb and stupid.

Supposing your child, soon to be children choose for themselves not to own a gun to protect themself against any potential harm that may or may not encounter in their life. Assuming you are not going to FORCE them to own a gun.

Then one day, your child, teenager, or grown up adult, are out and about on their own, and become the victim of a gunman on the loose, who then murders them by shooting them dead. Where were you to protect them from harms way in that unfortunate incident? ...Surely you are not going to tell me that you and your child, teenager, grown up adult are permanently conjoined at the hip now are you?

Still awaiting a response.

You can run from the truth, but you can never hide from it Skepdick.

I don't understand why you need me to answer that question.

Suppose you go out and about tomorrow and some Allah Snackbar chases you down with a machete - what's your plan?

If you can stop him - you will.
If you can't - you'll die, your friends and family will mourn you and that's the end of it.

Choices. Consequences. The end.

Yes that’s right.

That could happen to anyone, including your own offspring. How would that be keeping your own offspring out of harms way?

[Skepdick]

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

You cannot lie to yourself.

Of course you can. Self-deception is still deception.

[Skepdick]

Still awaiting a response.

You can run from the truth, but you can never hide from it Skepdick.

I don't understand why you need me to answer that question.

Suppose you go out and about tomorrow and some Allah Snackbar chases you down with a machete - what's your plan?

If you can stop him - you will.
If you can't - you'll die, your friends and family will mourn you and that's the end of it.

Choices. Consequences. The end.

Yes that’s right.

That could happen to anyone, including your own offspring. How would that be keeping your own offspring out of harms way?

Yes it can. Me and you included.

If it happens to somebody with the mindset, means and luck to stop it - they are less likely to die.
If it happens to somebody without the mindset, means and luck to stop it - they are more likely to die.

One of those choices seems better.

What's confusing you?

[Dontaskme]

I don't understand why you need me to answer that question.

Suppose you go out and about tomorrow and some Allah Snackbar chases you down with a machete - what's your plan?

If you can stop him - you will.
If you can't - you'll die, your friends and family will mourn you and that's the end of it.

Choices. Consequences. The end.

Yes that’s right.

That could happen to anyone, including your own offspring. How would that be keeping your own offspring out of harms way?

Yes it can. Me and you included.

If it happens to somebody with the mindset, means and luck to stop it - they are less likely to die.
If it happens to somebody without the mindset, means and luck to stop it - they are more likely to die.

One of those choices seems better.

What's confusing you?

How can you keep your offspring out of harms way…surely that’s their job not yours?

[Skepdick]

How can you keep your offspring out of harms way…surely that’s their job not yours?

It will eventually become their job. I ain't gonna be here forever.

If they don't want the job - I hope luck is on their side

[commonsense]

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

You cannot lie to yourself.

Of course you can. Self-deception is still deception.

So you can think something is false that you know is true, right?

[Skepdick]

So you can think something is false that you know is true, right?

If you think that something as being true; or false while also knowing that you have no good reason to believe either.

I could believe that I can hold my breath for 10 minutes.

[commonsense]

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe then they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

But it’s not possible.

[Skepdick]

A lie is an intentional deception. I have no access to intentions other than my own. I take words at face value. I accept statements made by other people for what they are .

If somebody chooses to believe what they have no good reason to believe then they are intentionally deceiving themselves.

It fits the bill for lying.

But it’s not possible.

Of course it's possible. Incompetent epistemologists do it all the time. They fool themselves.

The first principle is that you musn't fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.