WE NEED MORE GUNS..

[Age]

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

Yes, and that wish it had been you instead of someone else is exactly my point. Killing others is like as if you've killed yourself, for anyone who has a conscience, which is most people to be honest, because no one ever dreams of shooting their own head off, most people like being alive. Maybe there are some people without a conscience, or someone hopelessly suicidal, but I'm thinking those people are few and far between, but no one really knows what is going on inside another persons mind, we can only project what is going on inside our own mind.

The thing is, as long as we do not have a problem killing others, meaning, we prefer to kill other to save our own skin,a kill or be killed mentality, and in addition, we don't have a problem dealing with the ensuing psychological aftermath of what we have done, then the killing will never stop...PERIOD..whether we own guns not..

I wish 'you' had explained 'this meaning' of 'having a problem killing others' earlier to "skepdick" when 'it' ASKED for 'it', THEN "skepdick" would NOT have ANY EXCUSE AT ALL for NOT just ANSWERING

ABSOLUTELY nothing will ever protect us from our own minds when it does not have a problem with the intent to kill or be killed mentality.

The ABSOLUTELY DEFEATIST ATTITUDE WILL, OBVIOUSLY, NOT HELP here.

We can just as easily fight each other to the death in any dire fearful situation we find ourselves in with our bare hands, just like animals have to,

BUT WHY?

WHY IS the DECISION TO KILL "others" even CONTEMPLATED, let alone MADE, in regards to just the VERY NATURAL and NORMAL emotion of 'fear'?

but we do not have to use guns to do it, it's just so easy to put someone out with a gun, it's a cowards way of fighting.

This here could NOT be MORE True.

Until we stop not having a problem using guns to resolve our petty childish immature disputes or differences, then the killing will continue on and on and on whether we are armed to the hilt, or gunless, it will not make the slightest bit of difference to our way of life.

I AM suggesting that 'you', adult human beings, do NOT even get to HAVING 'petty immature disputes or differences', IN THE VERY BEGINNING. When 'this' DOES OCCUR, then NONE of the Wrong DOING that FOLLOWS ON from 'such things' would even OCCUR.

No one is safe, as long as we continue to have the mind-set of it's not a problem to kill or be killed attitude using guns.

And no therapist on earth can cure you of your own mental state.

Can 'one' cure their OWN mental state, "them" 'self'?

Or, is it EASIER IF BOTH 'you', and some one "else", are HELPING TOGETHER in the goal of CURING of 'one's OWN mental state?

That's a fallacy right off the bat, it's your own responsibility to cure yourself from your own self-inflicted mental state,

LOL WHO goes out of 'their way' to self-inflict ANY unhealthy or, literally 'ill-gotten', 'mental state'?

And, HOW, EXACTLY, does 'one', 'all on their lonesome', even go about in curing their OWN 'mental state'?

ALL unhealthy 'mental states' are 'ill-GOTTEN' from past UNWANTED, or NON-CONTROLLED, experiences.

not the job of someone else, who is probably more fucked up than you anyway for all you know.

To me, it would be a MUCH BETTER 'world' if it was EVERY adult's 'job' to SEE 'things' CLEARLY, through a loving, guiding way of teaching, patiently.

After all it is ONLY FROM LEARNING and KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE FROM, and WHY, ALL adult human beings have 'unhealthy mental states' CAME FROM, that it is ALSO KNOWN HOW TO CURE 'them' properly AND correctly.

I cannot make this any clearer. You either get it or you don't.

That's my last post on this thread.

Okay.

[Age]

Anyone can say anything they like on the internet. I don't think you understand.

Yes, but what would be the motivation for someone to lie on PN?

To 'TRY TO' argue or fight for their position or BELIEF further.

[Age]

Anyone can say anything they like on the internet.

Oh lord, please do not tell me you are thinking about volunteering to become the internet police officer to decipher between who is speaking the truth and who is lying online?

DAM, it makes no difference whether S is a cop or a person who claims to be a cop. That’s because we are discussing arguments versus counter arguments, not identities versus identities.

Okay.

So, ALL people should NOT bring up 'things', which do NOT make ANY DIFFERENCE here, right?

By the way, WHO was 'it' EXACTLY WHO brought up some person being a so-called 'cop' FIRST?

[Age]

You may be missing out on a lot of fun!

You are right, I need to take things less seriously.

I love it.

LOL
LOL
LOL

From the one with the LEAST 'serious' perspective here.

[Skepdick]

As long as people like you who have no problem killing other people even when it makes you feel sick to the stomach, then killing will never stop.

Try another moral high horse.

Every single one of your armed police officers likely feel the exact same way after taking a life. That's what the therapy is for...

It's no good just getting rid of every last weapon, you have to get rid of the problem of having no problem killing a sentient living organism of any description.

So you would much prefer it if your armed police couldn't pull the trigger to end a terrorist attack?

Have 'you' EVER the SAYING, 'Prevention is BETTER than the cure', "skepdick"?

Of course I have.

That is what I use my gun for - preventing my murder.

Because you can’t cure me once I am murdered.

[Harbal]

Try another moral high horse.

Every single one of your armed police officers likely feel the exact same way after taking a life. That's what the therapy is for...


So you would much prefer it if your armed police couldn't pull the trigger to end a terrorist attack?

Have 'you' EVER the SAYING, 'Prevention is BETTER than the cure', "skepdick"?

Of course I have.

That is what I use my gun for - preventing my murder.

Because you can’t cure me once I am murdered.

Some might say that is the only cure for you.

[Skepdick]

Have 'you' EVER the SAYING, 'Prevention is BETTER than the cure', "skepdick"?

Of course I have.

That is what I use my gun for - preventing my murder.

Because you can’t cure me once I am murdered.

Some might say that is the only cure for you.

Some; or you?

Unprincipled.
Compulsive liar.

Should the fact you wish harm upon me even surprise me?

[Harbal]

Of course I have.

That is what I use my gun for - preventing my murder.

Because you can’t cure me once I am murdered.

Some might say that is the only cure for you.

Some; or you?

Well, only me in this particular instance, but we can do a survey, if you like.

Should the fact you wish harm upon me even surprise me?

I don't wish any harm on you at all; it's not my job to cure you.

[Skepdick]

Some might say that is the only cure for you.

Some; or you?

Well, only me in this particular instance, but we can do a survey, if you like.

Should the fact you wish harm upon me even surprise me?

I don't wish any harm on you at all; it's not my job to cure you.

Was it even your job to “diagnose” me?

[commonsense]

OK, so we’re still stuck at either everyone has guns or no one (except the police and the military) has guns.

If everyone has at least one gun, theoretically everyone would be able to protect himself from someone else who has a gun.

If no one has any guns, then theoretically there would be no need for anyone to protect himself.

In practice, lots of people have guns in the US.

Therefore, on the whole it would be theoretically and practically more sensible to permit everyone to have guns.

Sadly, I must concede that Skepdik has been right all along.

I was anti-gun when this thread began, but Skepdick changed my mind. It makes more sense to arm and train everyone than to collect the guns that are out there.

'This' was EXACTLY what I was referring to, and WHERE the 'flaw in reasoning', from my perspective, EXISTS.

Basically I changed my mind from where I started. I was being serious.

[commonsense]

It's like the Spanish Enquisition has some pre-approved vocabulary for what you are allowed and not allowed to say; what you are and not allowed to feel; and what you are allowed and not allowed to think when you get put in a fucked up situation where all the options are shit.

Normal people don't want to do it.
Normal people get put in a situations where they have to do it.
Normal people hate the fact that they were put in such a fucked up situation and they endure the psychological cost thereof.
Normal people would do it again if they were put in the same fucked up situation.

Does any of this mean they do; or don't have a problem with it?

Amen.

What 'part/s' here are 'you' 'amening', EXACTLY?

Really all of it.

[commonsense]

Anyone can say anything they like on the internet.

Oh lord, please do not tell me you are thinking about volunteering to become the internet police officer to decipher between who is speaking the truth and who is lying online?

DAM, it makes no difference whether S is a cop or a person who claims to be a cop. That’s because we are discussing arguments versus counter arguments, not identities versus identities.

Okay.

So, ALL people should NOT bring up 'things', which do NOT make ANY DIFFERENCE here, right?

By the way, WHO was 'it' EXACTLY WHO brought up some person being a so-called 'cop' FIRST?

Skepdick self/identified as a cop and Harbal called Skepdick a liar.

[Harbal]

Some; or you?

Well, only me in this particular instance, but we can do a survey, if you like.

Should the fact you wish harm upon me even surprise me?

I don't wish any harm on you at all; it's not my job to cure you.

Was it even your job to “diagnose” me?

No, but I thought you should know.

[FlashDangerpants]

he's in it for the conflict and nothing else, it's a personality disorder.

Absolute bullshit.

I do distributed systems, you retard - the entire field revolves around distributed consensus. As in the exact opposite of conflict.

I am just here to pour fuel on the dumpster fire that is Philosophy - so it burns down brighter and quicker.

QED.

It sort of stands to reason that you wouldn't have stopped to think whether boasting that you waste hours here pursuing nothing but destruction works for you or just makes you look worse. That's the oblivious behaviour of the personality disordered.

And of course you would aggrandize yourself as a big shot computer guy within the same thread you've been telling us you are a policeman.

[Skepdick]

he's in it for the conflict and nothing else, it's a personality disorder.

Absolute bullshit.

I do distributed systems, you retard - the entire field revolves around distributed consensus. As in the exact opposite of conflict.

I am just here to pour fuel on the dumpster fire that is Philosophy - so it burns down brighter and quicker.

QED.

It sort of stands to reason that you wouldn't have stopped to think whether boasting that you waste hours here pursuing nothing but destruction works for you or just makes you look worse. That's the oblivious behaviour of the personality disordered.

Q.E.D ^ 2

Your exaggerations have no end.

I don’t pursue “nothing but destruction”. I have surgical precision in my pursuit of the destruction of philosophy.

Nothing more - nothing less.

I have no desire to destruct anything non-Philosophical. In order for order for humanity to move forward the cancer that is Philosophy (as currently practiced) needs to be removed.

And of course you would aggrandize yourself as a big shot computer guy within the same thread you've been telling us you are a policeman.

There is no need to aggrandize myself; and I don’t know if I am a “big shot” but in terms of being a police officer and a distributed systems guy - I am both.

Is your mutually exclusive brain failing to cope with this fact; is time-sharing a novel idea to you; or is it the fact that a Bobby on the beat understands your “field of expertise” better than you do that pisses you off?