Sodom and Gamorrah in 2023

[Iwannaplato]

They are "out and proud" everywhere these days, not just Ukraine.

And the Ukraine is not especially postive about LGBTQ people. It's much worse there than most of Europe.
But God has limited reach.

[Harbal]

I admit to an aversion of anything biblical, but even putting that aside, I am completely baffled by the supposed connection between the war in Ukraine, and the story of Sodom and Gamorrah.

Let me help. I think you are confounded by both logic and experience. Set these aside.
Putin hates gays and transpeople and they are less accepted in Russia than in the Ukraine.
Hence Putin is God, planes and missiles are angels and collateral damage is like the less than 50 good people faced in S & G.

Why God is attacking the Ukraine, where there gay and trans people face a lot of violence and problems and not raining down wrath on San Francisco, say, is one of those God moves in mysterious ways things.

Why God would need to kill children and straight people in the Ukraine is also one of those God moves in mysterious ways things.

Why so many straight young Russian males must die to kill some gay people in the Ukraine along with a lot of straight people and children in the Ukraine is not a valid question. No prophet would ask that.

You would think, clutching naively onto reason and logic as you are, Harbal, that if God wanted to rain vengeance down on sexual sinners, he or she would begin hitting things like people pimping out children to pedophiles in Thailand or, really, anywhere pedophile tourism is chugging along well.

But that's because you are not a prophet. You can't see behind the incredibly sloppy for a deity program of eternal justic in the war in the Ukraine.

Perhaps if there were pillars of salt all over the place, I would have made the connection.

But someone like Wizard, from the Religious Right in the US...he would immediately understand how an ex- KGB agent by definition must be a dear friend to all things American, capitalist, Christian and democratic.

He isn't one of those Evangelical nut jobs, is he? Well, obviously he's a nut job, but Evangelical?

[Wizard22]

It's enjoyable watching the mental hula-hoops.

I'm a rightwing religious zealot eh? Hm, interesting, do go on.

So you consider yourself a more reliable source of accurate, impartial news than the BBC, do you?

That's what I thought... you should broaden your horizons. But you're too old for that I presume.

[Wizard22]

Let me guess, this forum scared away most the Christians? Guess I'll have to share my Revelations elsewhere, to those who can appreciate it.

Atheists, Agnostics, Heathens, Anglican-Protestants...in other words, the worst bunch when it comes to Religion/Spirituality/Morality/History.

[FlashDangerpants]

Guess I'll have to share my Revelations elsewhere, to those who can appreciate it.

Wait, wait, please don't go. We want to know if you get a tickly feeling in your balls to indicate that God has chosen you to bear his Holy Wisdoms, or do you hear HIS voice talking to you?

Are you bathed in ball tickly light when the Revelations come?

[Iwannaplato]

He isn't one of those Evangelical nut jobs, is he? Well, obviously he's a nut job, but Evangelical?

No, that would be coherent. More like Samual Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction. Toss in a little Bible now and then.

[Harbal]

Let me guess, this forum scared away most the Christians? Guess I'll have to share my Revelations elsewhere, to those who can appreciate it.

Atheists, Agnostics, Heathens, Anglican-Protestants...in other words, the worst bunch when it comes to Religion/Spirituality/Morality/History.

Right, I'm beginning to understand now. You thought you were presenting your crackpot idea to a gathering of religious idiots.

[Harbal]

It's enjoyable watching the mental hula-hoops.

I'm a rightwing religious zealot eh? Hm, interesting, do go on.

So you consider yourself a more reliable source of accurate, impartial news than the BBC, do you?

That's what I thought... you should broaden your horizons. But you're too old for that I presume.

You obviously think I'm sensitive about my age.

Well, God is a lot older than I am, so I wonder what he will make of your attitude. It's the pit of Hell for you, my laddy.

[Iwannaplato]

I just think it's great that Wizard is using Jewish scripture written by Jewish people to interpret modern events. So many on both the Left and Right find a way to be anti-semitic, but not Wizard.

[Harbal]

I just think it's great that Wizard is using Jewish scripture written by Jewish people to interpret modern events. So many on both the Left and Right find a way to be anti-semitic, but not Wizard.

I had a total lack of respect for Wizard before I found out about his religious leanings. I regret that now; it means I have nothing left in reserve.

[Iwannaplato]

I had a total lack of respect for Wizard before I found out about his religious leanings. I regret that now; it means I have nothing left in reserve.

You're going to have to learn how to pace yourself.

[Harbal]

I had a total lack of respect for Wizard before I found out about his religious leanings. I regret that now; it means I have nothing left in reserve.

You're going to have to learn how to pace yourself.

You are right. Just when you think folks have sunk as low as they can get, their head suddenly disappears altogether.

[Wizard22]

Listen up smooth brain Anglos and your small-hat overlords... just because I criticize and mock you, doesn't mean I hate you. Quite the opposite. I'm fond of the small-hat tribe. My own has much to learn from them, has and does. No anger, fear, emotion involved. I am politically unbiased.

I know this is beyond most of you. So your hyperventilating (flashdanger) is your own problem, and your own emotional projection.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these Relevatory Signs from God. They're right in front of your faces, if you have the intellect, and courage, to Bear Witness to them.


It's *YOUR* Old Testament. Why don't you actually read it? God *WARNED* you what not to do.

[Harbal]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these Relevatory Signs from God.

I agree; it takes an absolute idiot.

[Iwannaplato]

You are right. Just when you think folks have sunk as low as they can get, their head suddenly disappears altogether.

My general apporach is to express my increasing feeling of being stunned by their stupidy, then once all respect is lost, I simply express my increasing admiration for their loyalty to their stupidity.

Some examples of that second phase:
How lovely that you didn't knuckle under to his superior argument!
A lesser person would have been embarrassed by your mistakes!
I think your third approach to missing the point had a real spark to it!

So, the transition from ever increasing shock to ever increasing admiration is seamless....