WE NEED MORE GUNS..

[Dontaskme]

Face off alone unarmed with no gun, as in, what life would be like on a daily basis in the natural world of the non-conceptual animal kingdom?

Just supposing guns had never been invented, and that they never existed at all, just like life is like in the non-conceptual natural world of the animal kingdom. Wouldn't that be a true accurate description of all life on earth who are sentient feeling organisms with a nervous system?

Do you think being a human in a world without guns would be any different, or more evolved than a life lived in the wild non-conceptual world of animals?

So why have guns, what difference is it going to make to our lives? we'd just be swapping our bare knuckle fighting with using an easier method, shoot em dead instead.

Humans invented weapons, and firearms, because our superiority is our technology.

If animals could use guns, then they would.

The problem is that highly intelligent predators...criminals, are going to use their advantages against you, if you let them. So what is your stance on self-defense?

Very good response thanks.

I'm just trying to point out that we are even worse off than the animals who cannot use 'high tech' weapons against themselves, like we can.

So what's the point in thinking and believing we are better off and safe in the world? So whether we have weapons or not, it's not going to make the slighest bit of difference to our life, we are still going to die no matter how much we think we are safer defending it with our weapons.

[Wizard22]

See my latest response, to context

[Skepdick]

Very good response thanks.

I'm just trying to point out that we are even worse off than the animals who cannot use 'high tech' weapons against themselves, like we can.

So what's the point in thinking and believing we are better off and safe in the world? So whether we have weapons or not, it's not going to make the slighest bit of difference to our life, we are still going to die no matter how much we think we are safer defending it with our weapons.

When will we stop pretending that dying at birth; dying at 35 from a tooth sepsis and dying at 90 in your sleep are the same thing?

[Dontaskme]

It's obvious that governments don't really care about their citizens. Or that's it's a fraction of care. So, ultimately, the matter of self-preservation is in the individual's hands, always.

Self-preservation is why guns are not going to make a safer world, or a blind bit of difference to the quality of life for a human being. As soon as we believe we have to preserve our life, then we will defend that life to the death, no matter what gets in our way.

So even a world with or without guns wouldn't make the slighest bit of difference.

I really do not understand how difficult is to understand that weapons, any weapon, do not make us safer. And that humans are no different to any other animal, humans are savages too. And no gun on earth is ever going to save us from our inner beastly savage.

If guns make us safer, then why are we still fighting, what are we fighting each other for? why are we still going to war?

Doesn't look like a safe world to me. Doesn't look like it ever will be either.

I understand this, do you?

What is it that you "understand" when your entire line of reasoning amounts to the Nirvana fallacy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

Do guns make us safer? Yes.
Do they make living risk-free? No.

I've never even heard of the Nirvana fallacy, but come to think of it, it does seem pretty much like a really useless idea.

Life is never risk free, I know.

But the idea that guns make us safer I cannot get my head around as being a useful idea.

[Skepdick]

I've never even heard of the Nirvana fallacy, but come to think of it, it does seem pretty much like a really useless idea.

Life is never risk free, I know.

But the idea that guns make us safer I cannot get my head around as being a useful idea.

Guns do make us safer. It's not an idea. It's a fact.

You don't think truth is useful?

[Dontaskme]

Very good response thanks.

I'm just trying to point out that we are even worse off than the animals who cannot use 'high tech' weapons against themselves, like we can.

So what's the point in thinking and believing we are better off and safe in the world? So whether we have weapons or not, it's not going to make the slighest bit of difference to our life, we are still going to die no matter how much we think we are safer defending it with our weapons.

When will we stop pretending that dying at birth; dying at 35 from a tooth sepsis and dying at 90 in your sleep are the same thing?

I never assumed they were the same. We, and every living life form is dying in every moment, every moment is completely brand new and unique, every moment is dying to be new.

[Wizard22]

Context is key.

Do people need guns in a rural, high-trust community, with almost zero homicide rate? No, not really, but it's still their choice under US laws.

Do people need guns in urban, low-trust environment, with double digit homicide rate? yes, they really do.


You cannot presume that context is the same everywhere.

[Dontaskme]

Guns do make us safer. It's not an idea. It's a fact.

Safe from what?

Guns in and of themselves have no power to make you safe. Only when you have used the gun is there the sense in you that you are safe. But then used the gun for what?

What is making you feel as though you are safe?

[FlashDangerpants]

You were with them on the subject of dastardly Jewish plots to murder slavic people.
And you are making up fake statistics about black people being inclined to commit murder, which a pretty far-right stand to take.
And you are in line with the far right in all that "Globohomo" stuff you wrote about.
And you have a trannie obsession along with everyone else in the far-right it seems.
And you are an accelerationist awaiting a race war, which is very far to the right.

So you line up with the far-right already. You little nazi you.

Calm down.
Take your pills.
Breath...breaaath.

Once you're done hyperventilating, try to piece together what you're saying and why.

You spout a lot of nazi talk about black people and jews. You spout a lot of nazi talk about trannies and "globohomo".
You hear the voice of God bringing you Revelations about some new Gomorrah.
You should be disarmed at a minimum, and probably medicated.

[Harbal]

Put your mind into the experience of a young woman:

She was invited out to the clubs by her group of friends. She doesn't like to go out, but reluctantly did so to placate them. Her friends like to get way too drunk and party. The girl leaves the club early and wants to go home. She starts walking down the street because there are taxi cabs parked a couple blocks away. She goes through an alley. There, she is accosted by a rapist.

Should she have a gun to defend herself? Your logic implies, no she should not.



Put your mind into the experience of a young black teenager in the ghetto:

The black boy hears gunshots on almost a nightly basis. His mother dove on top of him before, because their apartment had been caught in crossfire from a drive-by shooting last year. The boy is scared for his life on a consistent basis. He regularly tries to avoid his local neighborhood gang-bangers trying to recruit him and lure him into their gang. He's scared that he'll have no choice in the coming years as he grows into a teenager.

Should this boy have a gun to defend himself? Your logic implies, no he should not.

You have to understand that The UK and the USA are very different. We simply are not used to the idea of guns being around. Most of us never ever see guns; our police don't carry guns. To many of us, the sight of a gun is quite alarming, and the idea of everyone being to own one seems absolutely crazy.

The public may need them in the USA, I don't know, but I hope to God that your gun culture never finds its way over here.

[Skepdick]

Safe from what?

Guns in and of themselves have no power to make you safe. Only when you have used the gun is there the sense in you that you are safe. But then used the gun for what?

What is making you feel as though you are safe?

Que? You don't even understand what you are asking.

Safety is a property of the system under observation.

A system is said to be "more safe" if bad things happen less frequently than before.
A system is said to be "less safe" if bad things happen more frequently than before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_an ... properties

[Wizard22]

You have to understand that The UK and the USA are very different. We simply are not used to the idea of guns being around. Most of us never ever see guns; our police don't carry guns. To many of us, the sight of a gun is quite alarming, and the idea of everyone being to own one seems absolutely crazy.

The public may need them in the USA, I don't know, but I hope to God that your gun culture never finds its way over here.

Indeed,

And I hope your Monarchy never finds its way over here.

Whoops...spoke too soon

[Wizard22]

You should be disarmed at a minimum, and probably medicated.

You make a great argument why people should arm themselves against nutjobs.

Thank you.

[Skepdick]

You should be disarmed at a minimum, and probably medicated.

Didn't your country do the mandatory medication thing to Alan Turing?

I don't want to steal the spotlight from people who actually live there so maybe you tell the story...

[Harbal]

And I hope your Monarchy never finds its way over here.

I suppose they are similar to guns in that you have to have lived with them all your life to be able to put up with them.