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[FlashDangerpants]

28) Rephrase what other people have said. Deny you made any significant change. Never consider that you may have done this. You may consciously choose to make a strawman or note, through patterns of discussion partner irritation, that you already have a gift for this. Never admit to strawman behavior. Hold the line. They have the burden of proof to show that you presented a false attribution. It is their job to show it is not right, not your job to justify the changes you made. Must one truly use the quote function. I mean, seriously!!??

104) Your thing is an entire metaphysics, not a mere logical proposition; it is that insubstantial yet unmistakable awareness of a truth both purely intimate and yet somehow universal. Therefore you must only use floral poetry to decribe your own position, forcing anyone who wishes to subject it to any form of scrutiny to recast your flowery bullshit into meaningful language, at which point, send them to 28 for not using your own exact words to describe some fanciful nothingness.

[Flannel Jesus]

28) Rephrase what other people have said. Deny you made any significant change. Never consider that you may have done this. You may consciously choose to make a strawman or note, through patterns of discussion partner irritation, that you already have a gift for this. Never admit to strawman behavior. Hold the line. They have the burden of proof to show that you presented a false attribution. It is their job to show it is not right, not your job to justify the changes you made. Must one truly use the quote function. I mean, seriously!!??

104) Your thing is an entire metaphysics, not a mere logical proposition; it is that insubstantial yet unmistakable awareness of a truth both purely intimate and yet somehow universal. Therefore you must only use floral poetry to decribe your own position, forcing anyone who wishes to subject it to any form of scrutiny to recast your flowery bullshit into meaningful language, at which point, send them to 28 for not using your own exact words to describe some fanciful nothingness.

Paraphrasing as a practice definitely has to be understood as a fundamental part of philosophical communication first and foremost.

If you tell me what you think, and I can't paraphrase what you think in my own words, arguably i don't understand what you think.

So a distinction between malicious paraphrasing to create a straw man, and paraphrasing in good faith to verify mutual understanding, is definitely important here.

[Iwannaplato]

28) Rephrase what other people have said. Deny you made any significant change. Never consider that you may have done this. You may consciously choose to make a strawman or note, through patterns of discussion partner irritation, that you already have a gift for this. Never admit to strawman behavior. Hold the line. They have the burden of proof to show that you presented a false attribution. It is their job to show it is not right, not your job to justify the changes you made. Must one truly use the quote function. I mean, seriously!!??

104) Your thing is an entire metaphysics, not a mere logical proposition; it is that insubstantial yet unmistakable awareness of a truth both purely intimate and yet somehow universal. Therefore you must only use floral poetry to decribe your own position, forcing anyone who wishes to subject it to any form of scrutiny to recast your flowery bullshit into meaningful language, at which point, send them to 28 for not using your own exact words to describe some fanciful nothingness.

Paraphrasing as a practice definitely has to be understood as a fundamental part of philosophical communication first and foremost.

If you tell me what you think, and I can't paraphrase what you think in my own words, arguably i don't understand what you think.

So a distinction between malicious paraphrasing to create a straw man, and paraphrasing in good faith to verify mutual understanding, is definitely important here.

He's actually coming at it from a different angle. IOW he saying write something that requires clarification and paraphrases, as an attempt to triangulate, can be rebuffed as mischaracterizing. And I'd add that if one is not paraphrased, but rather asked for clarification of portions of your text, maintain ambiguity. At some point the other person will probably try to paraphrase to check, and then you can nail them with the accusation of misrepresentation.

I do agree. Rephrasing is a good basic move, that we who are not rhetorical geniuses often use with good intent, and even a failure is not necessarily a problem. You are triangulating.

The paraphraser can show rhetorical skill if he or she makes the other person look foolish.
The paraphrased can show rhetorical skill but denying all interpretations and keeping responses to direct requests for clarification ambiguous.

[Iwannaplato]

104) Your thing is an entire metaphysics, not a mere logical proposition; it is that insubstantial yet unmistakable awareness of a truth both purely intimate and yet somehow universal. Therefore you must only use floral poetry to decribe your own position, forcing anyone who wishes to subject it to any form of scrutiny to recast your flowery bullshit into meaningful language, at which point, send them to 28 for not using your own exact words to describe some fanciful nothingness.

I'm taking some serious liberties in rewording this and I think it's a good addition.

[henry quirk]

Is there one among the growing list that addresses stuff like this?

That's all he can come up with!!!!

Bumping up the size, applyin' the bold and laying on the exclamation points (shouting!!!) is rhetorical flouirish, yeah?

[Flannel Jesus]

Is there one among the growing list that addresses stuff like this?

That's all he can come up with!!!!

Bumping up the size, applyin' the bold and laying on the exclamation points (shouting!!!) is rhetorical flouirish, yeah?

21 & 22

[Iwannaplato]

Here are some rhetorical techniques that are very persuasive, if sometimes only self-persuasive. Do make these the core of your posting here, if you don't already do this. We've all done at least some of these at some point, if only implicitly. But when it is a central part of your rhetorical style, you've joined the pantheon.

1) Always say that you have demonstrated, proven or shown that X is true or Y is false. Even if all you have done is state or assert. Your assertions are proofs.

2) Don't respond to points made; restate in a new paraphrase what you've already asserted. Avoid justification of beliefs. See number 1.

3) Don't respond to points made; demand that the other person prove the opposite of your position.

4) Add links. Don't worry if they do what you claim. Don't bother reading them carefully. Later accuse the other person of having no evidence because they don't use links.

5) If cornered in any way, or just as a preemptive strike, insult your discussion partner. This may lead to an exchange of insults and any weaknesses in your position will be forgotten in the fray.

6) Don't respond to points made; accuse the other person of not having solved a related or unrelated issue.

7) Appeal to authority, and always imply that there is consensus amongst experts. Whatever you link to, the opinion expressed there is universal and objective.

8 Divide every issue into 2 possible positions: yours and the false/evil/irrational one. There are no third possible positions. You're either with us or against us.

9) Mindread. If someone does not respond to a post, say that they are afraid or have given up. If someone ignores you, say that they know they are beaten. If they are critical of a war, say they love the leader of the other side's leader. You get the idea. DO NOT justify these claims.

10) Call failure to disprove, proof of your belief. Oh, and it doesn't matter if they failed. They can even have mounted a solid argument. That has zero consequence.

11) Start new threads that are actually just continuations of current threads. Without saying it, this implies that you have the magic bullet. Treat all your posts as victories and nails in the coffin. This is an implicit trope for number 12's open one.

12) Claim victory. This can be done openly. Self-congratulate.

13) Claim you are the best philosopher - not just here at PN, but in general. Never aim low when making claims that you in particular cannot be convinced are untrue.

14) Claim that your assertions are better than other people's assertions per se: justify this via something that may seem easy to dismiss but is hard to finally contradict such as: you are from the future, you've changed your mind many times, you have no beliefs or you have a lot of files on the topic are some examples already used. Be creative in coming up with the reason your posts per se are better than other people's. The competition here is stiff.

15) Don't respond to points made; restate in a new paraphrase what you already asserted. This should be everyone's baseline rhetorical strategy. Again, this is the core of PN style.

16) Appeal to incredulity. Best done indirectly through mocking, especially with emojis. If you are ever conrnered, use a large number of moving emojis. This shows commitment and since it is not an argument, it is impossible to counter.

17) Treat the hypothetical as factual. You can even say it is hypothetical, then slide into referring to it as factual. Zero loss, much to gain.

18) REPEAT YOUR POSITION AS IF IT IS A RESPONSE: Regardless of what the other person says or points out that you ignore. Only true positions can be repeated. Commitment is truth. Your certainty should be their certainty

19) Remember anyone who dismisses you for any of the above, is showing that they fear the power of your posts. See 9 for some variations.

20) Write complicated non-responses that might somehow metaphorically relate but likely not. Unitelligibleness or inanis ultrices cannot be easily disproven or even argued with.

21) Use idiosyncratic and confusing use of capital letters and citation marks, and ask a lot of questions. Blame others for not understanding your idiosyncracies and ask many more questions. Be disappointed in their responses. Respond to any interpretation of what you said or disagreement with outrage. And ask more questions. Keep the onus on them.

22) Take up too much space with either unnecessary quoting of images, unique formatting or empty space. This creates extra noise in the thread and less signal.

23) Treat any topic as an invitation to one of your pet peeve issues. Do not be a respecter of topics.

24) Post such that it is unclear what you are responding to and even how you are responding to it.

25) Talk about another poster, but not with them.

26) Never simply say 'I disagree,' and then go on to explain why. Always demote the other person, label their thinking or be stunned by their ignorance and express this directly. For ex. 'you are weak thinker', 'Go deeper' or 'Such ingnorance!' Preferably a number of these in a row. Many people will do this on occasion when especially frustrated. An artist regularly reacts this way, especially in long disagreements. If you are missing opportunities, you'll never be a PN stylist.

27) Abuse terms that already exist by meaning something completely new by them. And make up plenty of your own silly terms. For example, instead of saying "Free Will", say "Andy Dufresne Syndrome", because you once saw a movie that sorta reminds you of this idea a little bit.

28) Rephrase what other people have said. Deny you made any significant change. Never consider that you may have done this. You may consciously choose to make a strawman or note, through patterns of discussion partner irritation, that you already have a gift for this. Never admit to strawman behavior. Hold the line. They have the burden of proof to show that you presented a false attribution. It is their job to show it is not right, not your job to justify the changes you made. Must one truly use the quote function. I mean, seriously!!??

29) Do not concern yourself with best arguments and rebuttals: dominate and get responses: Frustrating people - for example by not quite responding to them while quoting them - irritating them - see many of the above numbers - and putting all the burden on them, does several things: 1) you'll notice they do a lot of explaining while you don't; 2) you'll notice that they get upset, which means you are winning 3) some will stop communicating with you - this allows you to a) claim victory and b) take the high ground of never ignoring anyone - I mean, why ignore why you can frustrate, irritate and shift the burden to them? 29 is the strategy of the true geniuses.

30) Respond with a negative evaluation of the other person or their posts. Do not justify this. Some example: 'Seriously' 'LOL' 'Really' 'Go deeper' 'You are confused'. It is similar to 16, appeal to incredulity. Instead of wasting time dealing with any points the other person made, you go directly to the heart of the issue. No need to explain or demonstrate. These are great opening lines, but the great rhetoricians often use these as stand alone responses. This shifts all the work, where it belongs, to the less skilled. 26 is similar, but 26 is usually used before a longer posting, where one repeats one's position without responding to specific points made. 30 is more stand alone or as part of playing to the gallery.

31)If you have no answer, never let on. Of course you know the perfect answer, but first there is some vital other question that must be addressed before you could possibly address that answer. This new question is of course impossible to answer to your satisfaction.

32) Fabricate non-truths, and then when somebody calls you a liar, loudly announce that this is ad hominem. Never learn what ad hominem means, that would be bad for business. Suddenly, but ever so briefly, know what ad hominem means whenever you are accused of it.

33) Dismiss philosophy in general. Point out how the whole endeavor is riddled with absurdity and or contradiction. Use a good deal of abstraction and obviously use this against positions you disagree with and thus only on occasion. Using a contrast with science, a cynical philosophy of language position or a model of 'thinking' are some common forms of this. If anyone points out you are using philosophical tools in this argument or in other places focus on other parts of their posts.

34) Never admit to any stable beliefs that another person might be able to discuss with you and potentially undermine. If you say something that implies a belief, and that belief is criticized at all, you can always say "I never said I believe that". Closely related, change your beliefs at will (but without acknowledging a change in your beliefs) so that the context of the conversation is never stable enough to progress further.

35) Write texts that are in part vague, in other ways ambiguous, include jargon, floral poetry and/or what would get called metaphysical speculation by rhetorical amateurs. Mixed metaphors are always a plus. Make sure all statement are clearly are intended as universal, objective and deep, especially if the topic is in some way spiritual. If anyone tries to paraphrase any part or the whole, accuse them of number 28 and imply or state victimization. If they shift to clarifying questions, rhetorical ambiguity is the device of choice. It can also be combined with 33 very effectively. Denigrate philosophical analysis, but call it something else.

36) Play to a non-existent gallery. Any single line or very short post which means, more or less, hey, likeminded-to-me people, look at this post and how bad it is. Do not justify any implicit position. Do not point out any flaws in the post you are responding to. This is actually a way to imply consensus with people who do not exist. Where rhetoric moves into magic.

[Iwannaplato]

Is there one among the growing list that addresses stuff like this?

That's all he can come up with!!!!

Bumping up the size, applyin' the bold and laying on the exclamation points (shouting!!!) is rhetorical flouirish, yeah?

I'd say 26.

I think we amateur rhetoricians can only, because of our limited vision, see posts like that as not having any substance. IOW notice that it seems to only imply things: that the post should have been better, that's there's nothing to respond to and so on.

But it manages to convey all this without really having to take a stand on any issue or content. So, it doesn't seem to accrue any burden.

That's high level rhetoric. And since it plays to an imaginary, supportive to the writer, gallery, it is very high level work.

He or she doesn't even need to explain, just point, and the gallery of like minds will nod.

Of course there is no such gallery, which is what makes it so skilled.

[henry quirk]

FJ & IWP:

[Iwannaplato]

FJ & IWP:

I decided to make it 36.

36) Play to a non-existent gallery. Any single line or very short post which means, more or less, hey, likeminded-to-me people, look at this post and how bad it is. Do not justify any implicit position. Do not point out any flaws in the post you are responding to. This is actually a way to imply consensus with people who do not exist. Where rhetoric moves into magic.

[henry quirk]

FJ & IWP:

I decided to make it 36.

36) Play to a non-existent gallery. Any single line or very short post which means, more or less, hey, likeminded-to-me people, look at this post and how bad it is. Do not justify any implicit position. Do not point out any flaws in the post you are responding to. This is actually a way to imply consensus with people who do not exist. Where rhetoric moves into magic.

That's cool. I was thinkin', though, of the actual formattin' as rhetorical device -- the bolding, the enlarged size, the excess of exclamation points -- rather than content.

[Iwannaplato]

FJ & IWP:

I decided to make it 36.

36) Play to a non-existent gallery. Any single line or very short post which means, more or less, hey, likeminded-to-me people, look at this post and how bad it is. Do not justify any implicit position. Do not point out any flaws in the post you are responding to. This is actually a way to imply consensus with people who do not exist. Where rhetoric moves into magic.

That's cool. I was thinkin', though, of the actual formattin' as rhetorical device -- the bolding, the enlarged size, the excess of exclamation points -- rather than content.

I think FJ referred to those with other numbers. Yes, it's online yelling.
Here we are on the internet dealing with humans. It can be frustrating. People are stubborn. We all think, at some point, there, that nailed it. I made it clear to the other person. Anyone can see that. Now that person will at least concede, hm, ok, good point. Something, some little concession, at least. I laid it out so well.
Next post they managed to slide away, perhaps through some rhetorical ingenuity - see the list - often by simply avoiding responding to the point and repeating their position.
We're stunned or pissed off.
How can we make it obvious they lost. Cause they did lose or we think they did.
Sometimes people just keep pointing stuff out,
but in their frustration other people:
declare victory
yell with fonts and colors and emojis - the yelling must have a great impact (hm)
insult the person, implicitly or openly

Of course, sometimes people are quite wrong. They didn't have the smoking gun. There frustration isn't really grounded in reality. Sometimes they are right.

[Iwannaplato]

37) Use citation or quotation marks on a key term. Not as an insult - as in Your 'argument' does not make any sense. At times just make sure one of the key words in your post is in citation marks. Do NOT explain this. Later if someone points out problems in your deduction, for example, you can just say that actually you meant something else when you used that term. It's hedging your bets. Also, since it is unclear what you mean with the citation marks, the vagueness can lead to people making 'faulty' assumptions. You can lord this over them. I put 'faulty' in citation marks, since of course their assumptions may well have been quite accurate interpretations of the sentence. That's the beauty of the unexplained citation marks: you got options.

[Age]

37) Use citation or quotation marks on a key term. Not as an insult - as in Your 'argument' does not make any sense. At times just make sure one of the key words in your post is in citation marks. Do NOT explain this. Later if someone points out problems in your deduction, for example, you can just say that actually you meant something else when you used that term. It's hedging your bets. Also, since it is unclear what you mean with the citation marks, the vagueness can lead to people making 'faulty' assumptions. You can lord this over them. I put 'faulty' in citation marks, since of course their assumptions may well have been quite accurate interpretations of the sentence. That's the beauty of the unexplained citation marks: you got options.

But putting the 'faulty' word above here in single quotations, for the reason you provided, is completely redundant, especially considering the Fact that you had already used the 'can' word.

The 'can' word worked perfectly to explain that vagueness could lead 'you', people, to make faulty assumptions as well as accurate ones.

[Alexis Jacobi]

37) Use citation or quotation marks on a key term. Not as an insult - as in Your 'argument' does not make any sense. At times just make sure one of the key words in your post is in citation marks. Do NOT explain this. Later if someone points out problems in your deduction, for example, you can just say that actually you meant something else when you used that term. It's hedging your bets. Also, since it is unclear what you mean with the citation marks, the vagueness can lead to people making 'faulty' assumptions. You can lord this over them. I put 'faulty' in citation marks, since of course their assumptions may well have been quite accurate interpretations of the sentence. That's the beauty of the unexplained citation marks: you got options.

But putting the 'faulty' word above here in single quotations, for the reason you provided, is completely redundant, especially considering the Fact that you had already used the 'can' word.

The 'can' word worked perfectly to explain that vagueness could lead 'you', people, to make faulty assumptions as well as accurate ones.

First, reading over this thread I am now aware, oh painfully so, how fucked-up I am. That’s it, I am going into therapy.

Second, Age has achieved something eXtRaOrDinaRy. Aside from one solitary ‘f’ in upper case the post looked like any other. I laughed and felt elated — celebratory. But then something strange happened. The bright humor drained out of me completely.

I wept.

[So many strange things going on in the world. I’ve given up trying to interpret ‘rationally’]