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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:12 am … I'll just have to post this in hopes that you'll stumble on it and maybe you can put something tangibly helpful for humanity into action …
OK, I understand. Good choice! I’ll post some more past-life memories soon. (I am taking your advice: no more vile mosquitoes! 🦟)

Meanwhile, might I call to your attention the “Become Free From Masturbation & Pornography!” Section of the 10 Week Email Course? The price has gone up a bit but still you won’t want to miss out!
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Atheism has become a much broader concept over the years.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:57 pm Meanwhile, might I call to your attention the “Become Free From Masturbation & Pornography!” Section of the 10 Week Email Course? The price has gone up a bit but still you won’t want to miss out!
Mind is nothing more then the mistaking of images on a screen for reality.

The asking for money, for what is ultimately free, is a dickheadish competition for dicks, a competition to see who has the biggest dick to sell, of which your dick wins 100% hands down, there.

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:42 pm As a Traditionalist Evola has a traditional perspective on a man who through his engagement with struggle — in his world and principally inside himself — lives through a metaphysical ideal. In all his endeavors — mountain climbing among them — he honors and attempts to strengthen the heroic personality.
Why would anyone care what this Evola character thinks, unless he were incapable of doing his own thinking? You don't seem to have a single view not borrowed from some obscure writer.
Here, in this thread, a weak, defeated man who longs for death to cart him off, who enlists everyone in coddling and enabling the most pathetic depth of human depravity which I would define as life without higher (metaphysical) values, creates anti-heroic justification for sheer non-heroism. This man is a total victim crushed under a wheel that rolls over him and for this reason is emblematic of a common sickness: surrender to mutable conditions.
If we can tell the entirety of what someone is by the clues they leave on this forum, what a sorry creature you must be. I deduce by your behaviour, for example, that you are probably a short, fat, bald man with few, if any, friends. I think you must live alone, despite your occasional references to a wife, because of the time you must spend producing the copious amounts of drivel that you deposit here. Wives tend to demand more of one's time than you could possibly have available to give to your supposed one. I further deduce that you must feel rather insignificant and ineffectual out in the real world, for why else would you adopt the loathsome online persona manifested in your skin crawling online alter ego of Alexis Jacobi? What a fine state you must be in if your only way of acquiring any feeling of self worth is to present yourself as a total arsehole; albeit a well read one. At least well read in quantity if not quality.

My "critique" must on no account be taken personally, btw.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:03 pm Atheism has become a much broader concept over the years.
That is likely the case. But if I were to judge from those who write here I’d say it falls short. Too bound to its hated object.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:03 pm Atheism has become a much broader concept over the years.
While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:03 pm Atheism has become a much broader concept over the years.
While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
Factually, you are wrong. I do not say this for reasons of sponsoring religious conversion or fanaticism, though religion serves positive functions too, but only as a corrective: both Pentecostalism and Islam have been spreading like wildfire in the global south. China, Asia, South America.

In your sphere, yes, it is declining, but in other spheres it is spreading. The reasons why this is so can be examined.

But how could or really why would an illiterate, anti-intellectual dolt undertake that examination?

The question hangs in the air … like the smile of the Cheshire Cat.
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While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
Is the world better now?

Since "God died" there have been two world wars and millions of atrocities.

People appear to be more miserable and fearful than ever.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:03 pm Atheism has become a much broader concept over the years.
While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
Well, I was thinking of posts like this....
OK, I understand. Good choice! I’ll post some more past-life memories soon. (I am taking your advice: no more vile mosquitoes! 🦟)

Meanwhile, might I call to your attention the “Become Free From Masturbation & Pornography!” Section of the 10 Week Email Course? The price has gone up a bit but still you won’t want to miss out!
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags....[etc.]
Posts about the metaphysics of war and more....

It seems recipies for a good goolash and the inner life of bees are soon likely to be a part of this discussion of atheism.

I feel like a country yokel stumbling into a cosmopolitan salon.

Who knew? Not I, in any case.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:27 pmWhy would anyone care what this Evola character thinks, unless he were incapable of doing his own thinking? You don't seem to have a single view not borrowed from some obscure writer.
It’s not a bad question really. Why would anyone become interested in either Guénon or Evola?

My first essay at an answer would be along the lines of when someone — a given person — realizes that they ‘stand among ruins’. If I had to somewhat ruthlessly present an individual or individuals in a ruined state (who yet invest in it, and justify it), choosing you or Gary as exemplars would not be unproductive. (However, we are all in similar boats and it is a question of degree).

Let us suppose that one did honestly understand that one was in a ruined state. What then? How would one, how could one, rebuild oneself? According to what value and ideal?

But in your case, Harbal, similar to Gary: you will go to your grave exactly as you are! You have no Higher Ideal.

It’s that simple really. How did this come about?!?

There, there is also a valid question.

So here I would insert some poignant quotes.
“Nothing is more evident than that modern capitalism is just as subversive as Marxism. The materialistic view of life on which both systems are based is identical; both of their ideals are qualitatively identical, including the premises connected to a world the centre of which is constituted of technology, science, production, "productivity," and "consumption." And as long as we only talk about economic classes, profit, salaries, and production, and as long as we believe that real human progress is determined by a particular system of distribution of wealth and goods, and that, generally speaking, human progress is measured by the degree of wealth or indigence—then we are not even close to what is essential...”
“Contrary to what the bourgeois and liberal polemics claim, the warrior idea may not be reduced to materialism, nor is it synonymous with the exaltation of the brutal use of strength and destructive violence. Rather, the calm, conscious, and planned development of the inner being and a code of ethics; love of distance; hierarchy; order; the faculty of subordinating the emotional and individualistic element of one’s self to higher goals and principles, especially in the name of honor and duty – these are the elements of the warrior idea, and they act as the foundations of a specific “style” that has largely been lost.”
“The occult war is a battle that is waged imperceptibly by the forces of global subversion, with means and in circumstances ignored by current historiography. The notion of occult war belongs to a three-dimensional view of history: this viewdoes not regard as essential the two superficial dimensions of time and space (which include causes, facts, and visible leaders) but rather emphasizes the dimension of depth, or the "subterranean" dimension in which forces and influences often act in a decisive manner, and which, more often not than not, cannot be reduced to what is merely human, whether at an individual or a collective level”
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:59 pm It seems recipies for a good goolash and the inner life of bees are soon likely to be a part of this discussion of atheism.
While I did devote a minute trying to make a connection — I failed. Though the true fact is I am very interested in the inner life of foxes.

Cunning intelligence, that sort of thing. Traps, tricks, subterfuges, struggle & victory …
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phyllo wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:48 pm
While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
Is the world better now?
I think my part of it is.
Since "God died" there have been two world wars and millions of atrocities.
Not in my lifetime and in my neck of the woods there hasn't.
People appear to be more miserable and fearful than ever.
You wouldn't know it to look at them on the street, or in the supermarket.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:59 pmI feel like a country yokel stumbling into a cosmopolitan salon.
Hmmmm. I on the other hand feel like a sophisticated urbanite stumbling into a regressed backwater.

However, I have my own techniques to keep focused on real relevancy.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:44 pm
Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:36 pm
While religion has become much more irrelevant and insignificant over the years.
Factually, you are wrong. I do not say this for reasons of sponsoring religious conversion or fanaticism, though religion serves positive functions too, but only as a corrective: both Pentecostalism and Islam have been spreading like wildfire in the global south. China, Asia, South America.
China, Asia and South America are, like religion itself, irrelevant and insignificant to me. :|
In your sphere, yes,
Surely you don't think I'm interested in your sphere, do you?
But how could or really why would an illiterate, anti-intellectual dolt undertake that examination?
Why would anybody? :?
The question hangs in the air … like the smile of the Cheshire Cat.
It can float there indefinitely as far as I'm concerned. :roll:
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Goulash! Yesssssssss!
gou·lash (go͞o′läsh′, -lăsh′)
n.
1.
a. A stew of beef or veal and vegetables, seasoned mainly with paprika.
b. Any of various similar stews of mixed ingredients.
2. A dish of ground beef, macaroni, and onions covered in a seasoned tomato sauce and often mixed with melted cheese.
3. A mixture of many different elements; a hodgepodge.
[Hungarian, short for gulyáshús, literally "herdsman's meat," goulash, from gulyás, herdsman: gulya, herd of cows (perhaps of Northeast Caucasian origin and akin to Dargwa gula, cattle for fattening).
Out of solidarity with my people I am going to make this dish today!

Atheism, theism, masturbation, the philosophies of winner & losers, and now cuisine!

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