Eternity or Oblivion: My Wager

[Age]

Which is better? Spending eternity existing or existing for only a finite amount of time?

Doesn't that pretty much depend on what one might do to pass the time if one existed eternally?

There is ONLY One that exits eternally, and what It IS ACTUALLY DOING is, ACTUALLY, WELL VERY OBVIOUS.

Is eternity in hell better or worse than oblivion?

Why would you even ask such a question?

Out of WONDERMENT, or just plain old CURIOSITY.

WHY do 'you' ask such QUESTIONS as the one 'you' just ASKED here, "seeds"?

Or, do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE 'you' ALREADY KNOW the ANSWERS and 'such questions' are, REALLY, unnecessary?

Not only would oblivion be infinitely better than spending eternity writhing in agony in the fiery "hell" conjured up by knuckleheaded humans,...

'you' SAY 'this' as though 'you' are NOT 'human', or, LAUGHABLY, like 'you' have NEVER conjured up absolutely ANY so-called 'knuckleheaded' ideas, "seeds".

The IRREFUTABLE and ACTUAL Truth of here can be CLEARLY SEEN in 'your' writings.

...but oblivion would also be infinitely better than simply spending eternity on this planet - in these extremely limited bodies, regardless of one's circumstances (be they good or bad).

Do 'you' speak for EVERY one here? Or, is this just what 'you' think and IMAGINE, in and from that extremely limited one human body?

Or is it worth the gamble to try to go to heaven?

Other than the unfortunate (perhaps "hell-like") circumstances one might find oneself subjected to during one's temporary existence on this planet, there is no actual "Hell" awaiting anyone after death.

Well OBVIOUSLY this could NOT be MORE False, MORE Wrong, and MORE Incorrect if it was even trying to be.

But this one DOES BELIEVE that 'it' KNOWS what the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS here, as can be CLEARLY SEEN by the way 'it' WRITES, and SPEAKS.

Furthermore, if our ultimate form is indeed designed to last for eternity, then I suggest that whatever situation awaits us following the event of death, it will be far more logical and purposeful than the silly mythological nonsense handed down to us from ancient minds.

But the laughable so-called 'current minds' make FAR MORE 'sense' and are FAR MORE 'sensible', right "seeds"?

Also, and by the way, who and/or what is this 'our', which has, supposedly, some ULTIMATE FORM?

And, would 'it' NOT ALREADY be in 'its' ULTIMATE FORM, ALREADY?

What are 'we/the our' WAITING FOR, EXACTLY?

As I keep insisting over and over again, it is time to leave the "old paradigm" visions of reality behind.

How about 'we' leave 'your' VERY OLD and DELUDED MYTHOLOGICAL DISTORTIONS and NONSENSE of 'reality' BEHIND as well "seeds"? Or, do 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that 'your' OWN VISION here is TRUE, RIGHT, and CORRECT?

If one believes in heaven, then it seems like there must be something other than heaven for the other half.

There is no "other half," Gary, we're all in this together as equals (equals even with God, as difficult as that might be to believe).

And whatever awaits us following death,...

(be it eternal life in a higher [and better] context of reality, or eternal oblivion)

...it will be precisely the same for all of us.
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INCLUDING God, Itself?

[Age]

Which is better? Spending eternity existing or existing for only a finite amount of time?

Doesn't that pretty much depend on what one might do to pass the time if one existed eternally?

Is eternity in hell better or worse than oblivion?

Why would you even ask such a question?

Not only would oblivion be infinitely better than spending eternity writhing in agony in the fiery "hell" conjured up by knuckleheaded humans,...

...but oblivion would also be infinitely better than simply spending eternity on this planet - in these extremely limited bodies, regardless of one's circumstances (be they good or bad).

Or is it worth the gamble to try to go to heaven?

Other than the unfortunate (perhaps "hell-like") circumstances one might find oneself subjected to during one's temporary existence on this planet, there is no actual "Hell" awaiting anyone after death.

Furthermore, if our ultimate form is indeed designed to last for eternity, then I suggest that whatever situation awaits us following the event of death, it will be far more logical and purposeful than the silly mythological nonsense handed down to us from ancient minds.

As I keep insisting over and over again, it is time to leave the "old paradigm" visions of reality behind.

If one believes in heaven, then it seems like there must be something other than heaven for the other half.

There is no "other half," Gary, we're all in this together as equals (equals even with God, as difficult as that might be to believe).

And whatever awaits us following death,...

(be it eternal life in a higher [and better] context of reality, or eternal oblivion)

...it will be precisely the same for all of us.
_______

I guess it comes down to which is better, to experience or not to experience. As a world dweller, I'm prone to think experience (even if it is bad) is better than no experience at all.

So, WHY ALL of the 'misery' and 'whinging' here "gary childress"?

To me, ALL 'experience' is A 'LEARNING experience', of which there is NONE which is necessarily 'good' NOR 'bad'. As it is WITH some of the most DREADED or HATED 'experiences' can COME some of the BEST, or MOST LEARNED, 'learning'.

However, as Epicurus alluded to, if one ceases to be after death, then the only time we have to worry or be fearful about death, pain, and suffering is while we're alive.

OBVIOUSLY, 'you', human beings, CEASE to BE CONSCIOUS and AWARE after the body stops functioning. This is A GIVEN. However, there IS One who IS ETERNAL, and thus this One NEVER 'ceases to be'.

When 'one' LEARNS how to DECIPHER:
The 'Self' from the 'self',
'One' from 'one', and
'I' from 'i', then

ALL of 'this' WILL make FAR MORE SENSE.

Of course, it all boils down to which is truly the case. Are we to believe that all the amazing complexity and dynamism of the world just popped up by accident or is there some creator behind it?

AGAIN, LEARN WHO and WHAT 'I', thee True 'Self', AM, EXACTLY, and then the rest just FALLS INTO PLACE.

Also, WHEN ALL of 'this' IS UNCOVERED, what WAS previously seen as 'complex' BECOMES 'simple', and what WAS seen as 'hard' BECOMES 'easy'.

Life, and living, ALL-THERE-IS is Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY INDEED. one just, literally, NEEDS to LEARN H.O.W.

And if there is a creator, then does that creator want anything in particular from us, or is that creator pretty much as interested in what we do as s/he might be interested in what a single-cell amoeba somewhere on Earth does?

Here we have ANOTHER example of the human being species STILL being ONLY concerned about itself.

I find it likely that who or whatever created the universe (I assume a universe exists out there) is not all that concerned with our little planet and species. But who knows?

'you' CAN ASSUME 'things' 'till the cows come home', as some might say, but doing so will NEVER necessarily GET 'you' ANYWHERE.

If absolutely ANY one is Truly INTERESTED, then WHAT the Universe IS, EXACTLY, HOW 'It' works, EXACTLY, WHY 'It' exists, EXACTLY, WHEN 'It' exists, AND WHERE 'It' exists, EXACTLY, can be EXPLAINED, FULLY, and VERY SIMPLY and VERY EASILY, and by the way which could NEVER be REFUTED.

But WHY it is taken 'you', human beings, SO LONG to COME TO 'this' UNDERSTANDING is because 'you' BELIEVE, or at least ASSUME, that 'I' could NEVER KNOW these 'things'.

Either way, I just want oblivion.

AGAIN, ALL of 'this' is ALL ABOUT and FOR one, little, 'self'.

'you', human beings, individually, WANT a LOT of 'things'. BUT, 'you' ALL do NOT ALWAYS get what 'you' WANT, right?

Heaven and hell and all the sometimes seemingly arbitrary demands and stipulations that go with earning them (or else avoiding them) seem overwhelming and tedious to me most of the time.

Okay, but the ONLY reason WHY 'they' seem overwhelming and tedious to you is BECAUSE you have a completely False, Wrong, and Incorrect INTERPRETATION of 'them'.

I just don't have the energy or inclination to put that kind of effort into life anymore (going to church, doing charitable work, sacrificing for the sake of others, or whatnot, etc).

Just out of CURIOSITY, HOW, EXACTLY, have 'you' 'sacrificed', for the sake of "others", "gary childress"?

I live ok. I'm comfortable. I have the basics covered for now, not much extravagance here.

Compared to probably more than 50% of the human population, when this was being written, 'you' are probably FAR MORE 'comfortable' and living in FAR MORE 'extravagance' than those "others".

But sometimes I wish I had the gumption to go for extravagant things.

Like 'what', for example?

They seem really tempting at times.

What are 'they', EXACTLY?

I feel like I'm missing out on some really good things.

Again, like what, EXACTLY?

But I guess there is equally bad to go with every good thing, maybe?

'Good' and 'bad', like absolutely EVERY 'thing' else is ALL relative, to the observer.

[Age]

in the future people are gonna live for hundreds of years if not indefinitely becuz they're gonna figure out how to keep all the junk from accumulating in the cells so that they keep reproducing. plus they'll all be machine augmented and shit too.

u do realize we just missed it, right? we're the generations that got the shit end of the stick. the last relatively mortal population of the erf. this pisses me off dude becuz we were so close. a few hundred years off, max. we all got fucked, gary.

LOL Have 'you' NOT heard of 'time travel' "promethean57"?

Think about 'that' and what 'it' entails, EXACTLY?

And then think about who and/or what 'type of people' the so-called 'future peoples' would want to 'come back to', and/or to 'take forward' to 'the future'?