Christianity

[attofishpi]

Let me sum my Christian belief structure up for crtitical examination:-
I believe Jesus the Christ either is God incarnate or at the least was sent from God to carry out precisely what he did here among us on Earth.
I believe God turned water to wine, healed some, provided a seemingly eternal automatic bakery package , resurrected Christ etc..
I believe there is a reason for DOUBT where this God could provide everyone with none (doubt).
I believe there is a reason Genesis opens with a ridiculous notion of God talking to create the Heavens and Earth, it wants the book to be scrutinized.
I don't believe that 'Heavens and Earth' means the entire universe.
I believe God is akin to Panentheistic in nature, although from experience and analysing that, I believe God to be PAN to our reality, not necesarily the entire universe.
I believe in reincarnation and karma. This makes far more sense by way of any judgements in time, everyone incarnates with a fair crack at it *heaven and avoiding lesser incarnations 666.
I believe where it is stated that we will be raised from the dead for judgement, that we already have been raised from the dead - since we all had past lives.


Well, that should be enough for now for you to sink your analytical critical mind into.

No interest in any of that. Negative zero. Sorry Old Chum.

Care factor zero, but care to provide a reason why, especially in light of your criticism of me as if I am not open to have my views criticised!?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Negative.

[attofishpi]

How ironic.

[attofishpi]

I'm not interested in any of that.

That's a foolish position Jacobi.

Leonard Cohen
https://youtu.be/WbqBrKiB5Aw


Chris Cornell
https://youtu.be/1uwT1Q6JeB4

[Belinda]

The following is a reply to the original claim about Xianity.
Xianity will be taking another body blow now that the environmental crisis is become urgent, and people are scrambling around every man for himself.

[attofishpi]

Is it so hard to type Christianity? Is the environmental situation a blow to me because I am a Christian? ...surely we are all in the same situation.

[Belinda]

Is it so hard to type Christianity? Is the environmental situation a blow to me because I am a Christian? ...surely we are all in the same situation.

Certainly we are all in the same situation, although richer people will be able to protect themselves for longer.

The environmental situation will affect Xians and all others. Even Xians who are steeped in the principle of altruism will be tempted to abandon their principle when they and their families are starving.

[Gary Childress]

I still say agnosticism is the way to go. I'm not so sure about the god of the Hebrews. Could be a demon, a lesser spirit of whatever sort or could be a fiction invented by tribal elders and passed down from generation to generation like people tell their children about Santa Claus. It strikes me as odd that the creator of this vast universe is at all interested in one of the many creatures that sprung up on one relatively tiny rock within this seemingly infinite cosmic ocean. I suppose it's possible but one sort of looks at the seemingly random nature of natural disasters and the fact that anyone and everyone is a potential victim regardless of whether they are Christian or not and my first notion is that there's no "plan" to them at all. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, for me the jury is still out.

[attofishpi]

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[Belinda]

I still say agnosticism is the way to go. I'm not so sure about the god of the Hebrews. Could be a demon, a lesser spirit of whatever sort or could be a fiction invented by tribal elders and passed down from generation to generation like people tell their children about Santa Claus. It strikes me as odd that the creator of this vast universe is at all interested in one of the many creatures that sprung up on one relatively tiny rock within this seemingly infinite cosmic ocean. I suppose it's possible but one sort of looks at the seemingly random nature of natural disasters and the fact that anyone and everyone is a potential victim regardless of whether they are Christian or not and my first notion is that there's no "plan" to them at all. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, for me the jury is still out.

What "jury" ? You yourself are the jury. You don't wait for someone else to tell you what's what about God. You are an adult man so you decide what is good.

[Age]

I still say agnosticism is the way to go.

WHY does there HAVE TO BE 'one way', to go?

I'm not so sure about the god of the Hebrews. Could be a demon, a lesser spirit of whatever sort or could be a fiction invented by tribal elders and passed down from generation to generation like people tell their children about Santa Claus.

Is NOT EVERY 'story' invented, by someone of 'the tribe', and passed down?

It strikes me as odd that the creator of this vast universe is at all interested in one of the many creatures that sprung up on one relatively tiny rock within this seemingly infinite cosmic ocean.

WHY do SOME people RESORT to this Truly DISTORTED 'thinking' and so-called 'arguing'?

FIRST, FIND OUT WHO and WHAT the Creator here IS, EXACTLY, then ONCE that is done, EVERY 'thing' ELSE WILL just FALL INTO PLACE.

I suppose it's possible but one sort of looks at the seemingly random nature of natural disasters and the fact that anyone and everyone is a potential victim regardless of whether they are Christian or not and my first notion is that there's no "plan" to them at all.

If it was not for so-called 'natural disasters' absolutely NONE of 'you' would be HERE, discussing ANY of 'this'.

Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, for me the jury is still out.

What, EXACTLY, is up for JUDGMENT here?

[Age]

I still say agnosticism is the way to go. I'm not so sure about the god of the Hebrews. Could be a demon, a lesser spirit of whatever sort or could be a fiction invented by tribal elders and passed down from generation to generation like people tell their children about Santa Claus. It strikes me as odd that the creator of this vast universe is at all interested in one of the many creatures that sprung up on one relatively tiny rock within this seemingly infinite cosmic ocean. I suppose it's possible but one sort of looks at the seemingly random nature of natural disasters and the fact that anyone and everyone is a potential victim regardless of whether they are Christian or not and my first notion is that there's no "plan" to them at all. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, for me the jury is still out.

What "jury" ? You yourself are the jury. You don't wait for someone else to tell you what's what about God. You are an adult man so you decide what is good.

It could be ARGUED 'you', adult human beings, deciding, or judging, for "yourselves", INDIVIDUALLY, is WHY ALL of 'you' are IN, the CLEARLY OBVIOUS MESS that 'you' are ALL IN 'now', when this is being written.

[Gary Childress]

I still say agnosticism is the way to go. I'm not so sure about the god of the Hebrews. Could be a demon, a lesser spirit of whatever sort or could be a fiction invented by tribal elders and passed down from generation to generation like people tell their children about Santa Claus. It strikes me as odd that the creator of this vast universe is at all interested in one of the many creatures that sprung up on one relatively tiny rock within this seemingly infinite cosmic ocean. I suppose it's possible but one sort of looks at the seemingly random nature of natural disasters and the fact that anyone and everyone is a potential victim regardless of whether they are Christian or not and my first notion is that there's no "plan" to them at all. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, for me the jury is still out.

What "jury" ? You yourself are the jury. You don't wait for someone else to tell you what's what about God. You are an adult man so you decide what is good.

"The jury is out" is a popular idiom meaning something hasn't been decided yet. I'm referring to me in this case. I haven't seen any convincing evidence for anything yet. Perhaps there is divinity, spirituality or whatever or perhaps there isn't. Personally, I think there is something to the radical transformative experiences of mystics, however, I'm not sure what it points to, whether it be some psychological phenomenon attained through extreme stresses on the mind of whatever sort or whether it's conversation with a spirit or divinity, I don't know. I suppose it would be nice to be able to question a mystic about their experiences, however, I don't know of any such people to question. Otherwise, it is highly unlikely that I'm going to sit in the lotus position for days on end anytime soon. I tend to fidget too much, especially with the anti-psychotic I'm on. I get "restless legs syndrome" often.

[Age]

Let me sum my Christian belief structure up for crtitical examination:-
I believe Jesus the Christ either is God incarnate or at the least was sent from God to carry out precisely what he did here among us on Earth.
I believe God turned water to wine, healed some, provided a seemingly eternal automatic bakery package , resurrected Christ etc..
I believe there is a reason for DOUBT where this God could provide everyone with none (doubt).
I believe there is a reason Genesis opens with a ridiculous notion of God talking to create the Heavens and Earth, it wants the book to be scrutinized.
I don't believe that 'Heavens and Earth' means the entire universe.
I believe God is akin to Panentheistic in nature, although from experience and analysing that, I believe God to be PAN to our reality, not necesarily the entire universe.
I believe in reincarnation and karma. This makes far more sense by way of any judgements in time, everyone incarnates with a fair crack at it *heaven and avoiding lesser incarnations 666.
I believe where it is stated that we will be raised from the dead for judgement, that we already have been raised from the dead - since we all had past lives.


Well, that should be enough for now for you to sink your analytical critical mind into.

No interest in any of that. Negative zero. Sorry Old Chum.

Care factor zero, but care to provide a reason why, especially in light of your criticism of me as if I am not open to have my views criticised!?

you have ALREADY PROVED True that you are NOT OPEN to having your views criticized, challenged, NOR even questioned for clarity.

AND, to FURTHER PROVE this IRREFUTABLY True I WILL QUESTION and CHALLENGE you about some of your views here.

your RESPONSE/S, or LACK OF, WILL FOREVER MORE PROVE what is ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True here.

WHY do you BELIEVE those things ARE TRUE? What ACTUAL PROOF do you HAVE, to BASE your BELIEFS OFF OF, and FROM, EXACTLY?

HOW did this God, 'Thing', SEND this "jesus christ" 'thing'? And, what did "jesus christ" ACTUALLY 'carry out, PRECISELY', or EXACTLY?

WHY did you write, 'God turned water into wine'? Has absolutely ANY one previous CLAIMED, 'God, Itself, turned water into wine'?

And WHY do you BELIEVE, ABSOLUTELY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY, some 'things' ARE TRUE WHEN you were NOT even THERE?

I will WAIT for your RESPONSE/S to these CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, FIRST, BEFORE I further 'carry on, PRECISELY'.

[attofishpi]

you have ALREADY PROVED True that you are NOT OPEN to having your views criticized, challenged, NOR even questioned for clarity.

Sorry Age, you are not the man for the job.