'Atheism' verses 'Theism' verses 'Not-knowing'

[Dontaskme]

I don't think theists are as afraid of atheists as they are afraid that atheists might just be right.
I don't think atheists are as afraid of theists as they are afraid that theists might just be right.
If both atheists and theists were right, there would be nothing left for them to talk about, all claims would cease to exist.
And yet the for and against conversations between the two oppositional claimers, continue to this day.Indicating the absolute certainty of [Unknowing] the natural default state of the human brain, when it's not focusing on any one thing.

Unknowing is the fundamental ground of all being. This is it, it has no need to be any thing other than this Unknowing known.

[Agent Smith]

God (doesn't) exist(s)?! How so queer!

[Lacewing]

I don't think theists are as afraid of atheists as they are afraid that atheists might just be right.

That would explain all the dishonest distortions and derailments in discussions... at least on this forum.

I don't think atheists are as afraid of theists as they are afraid that theists might just be right.

Uh, no. That's like saying that I'm afraid of vampires or gremlins. It makes no sense to me.

If both atheists and theists were right, there would be nothing left for them to talk about, all claims would cease to exist.

They can both be right if reality/experience is attuned to the person. Still, people might want to share their experience with others, especially if they think their experience might offer better options. However, it may only be 'better' for themselves, so it's probably best to live and let live.

Unknowing is the fundamental ground of all being. This is it, it has no need to be any thing other than this Unknowing known.

Unknowing makes sense, and I'm comfortable with that. I prefer it over manufacturing something which I become a servant to maintain. I like to continually explore potential and I don't need to 'know' in order to feel fulfilled.

[Age]

I don't think theists are as afraid of atheists as they are afraid that atheists might just be right.

That would explain all the dishonest distortions and derailments in discussions... at least on this forum.

I don't think atheists are as afraid of theists as they are afraid that theists might just be right.

Uh, no. That's like saying that I'm afraid of vampires or gremlins. It makes no sense to me.

If both atheists and theists were right, there would be nothing left for them to talk about, all claims would cease to exist.

They can both be right if reality/experience is attuned to the person. Still, people might want to share their experience with others, especially if they think their experience might offer better options. However, it may only be 'better' for themselves, so it's probably best to live and let live.

Unknowing is the fundamental ground of all being. This is it, it has no need to be any thing other than this Unknowing known.

Unknowing makes sense, and I'm comfortable with that. I prefer it over manufacturing something which I become a servant to maintain. I like to continually explore potential and I don't need to 'know' in order to feel fulfilled.

But it is 'you', "lacewing", who manufactured some 'thing', which you have completely become a servant to maintain. As SEEN and PROVED True here.

And, contrary to your belief and claim here, in becoming a servant you have STOPPED exploring potential. you BELIEVE you ALREADY KNOW the truth and in doing so feel somewhat fulfilled.

[Iwannaplato]

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.
I'm not sure what the advantage is of unknowing, at least for others.

[Dontaskme]

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.
I'm not sure what the advantage is of unknowing, at least for others.

Y(our) Truth is an illusion.

Unknowing is a disadvantage to those who seek advantage. But, once 'the knower' falls away, there's simply just what's happening, and no human being who seeks to know how happening is happening, can make what is happening unhappen. And what is happening, is not happening to you or anything. It's simply happening for and to no one.

Existence precedes essence. The 'knower' is an idea, and an idea can never touch what existence actually is, because that will only be an illusory interpretation of this ever elusive unknowing.

This message is very advantagous to some, but to others, it's terrifying.

If you say you know..you do not.

[attofishpi]

I don't think theists are as afraid of atheists as they are afraid that atheists might just be right.
I don't think atheists are as afraid of theists as they are afraid that theists might just be right.
If both atheists and theists were right, there would be nothing left for them to talk about, all claims would cease to exist.
And yet the for and against conversations between the two oppositional claimers, continue to this day.Indicating the absolute certainty of [Unknowing] the natural default state of the human brain, when it's not focusing on any one thing.

Unknowing is the fundamental ground of all being. This is it, it has no need to be any thing other than this Unknowing known.

Why do you think either group are afraid of the others' belief?

[Dontaskme]

Why do you think either group are afraid of the others' belief?

It's just a figure of speech. If each of us believed opposing beliefs to be just as valid, there would be a satisfying sense of being satified with our belief without the fear of it ever being opposed and nullified. We want our beliefs to be real to us.

Fear is an irrational belief anyway, so is a rational belief irrational.

[attofishpi]

Why do you think either group are afraid of the others' belief?

It's just a figure of speech. If each of us believed opposing beliefs to be just as valid, there would be a satisfying sense of being satified with our belief without the fear of it ever being opposed and nullified. We want our beliefs to be real to us.

Fear is an irrational belief anyway, so is a rational belief irrational.

What you are stating is irrational. They are BINARY positions. That is, an atheist and a theist cannot believe each others belief...it's one or the other...to do so would contradict the definition of the terms (atheist or theist!!)

[Dontaskme]

Why do you think either group are afraid of the others' belief?

It's just a figure of speech. If each of us believed opposing beliefs to be just as valid, there would be a satisfying sense of being satified with our belief without the fear of it ever being opposed and nullified. We want our beliefs to be real to us.

Fear is an irrational belief anyway, so is a rational belief irrational.

What you are stating is irrational. They are BINARY positions. That is, an atheist and a theist cannot believe each others belief...it's one or the other...to do so would contradict the definition of the terms (atheist or theist!!)

The believer is a belief. Remove the belief, and the believer falls away, and there is left, just the simple unfettered clarity of nothing being everything, one without a second. No need for re-search into the nature of what is already completely whole and in no need for further completion.

Meanwhile, our beliefs will continue to create the illusory continuity of the seeker of truth. Many authors appear as there are believers to believe them to be real...as a believer, we all love a good story....here's another one >

GOD MEN CON MEN: PURSUIT OF TRUTH

https://www.amazon.co.uk/GOD-MEN-PURSUI ... 131&sr=8-1



You cannot con a con, you can only convince them.

[attofishpi]

It's just a figure of speech. If each of us believed opposing beliefs to be just as valid, there would be a satisfying sense of being satified with our belief without the fear of it ever being opposed and nullified. We want our beliefs to be real to us.

Fear is an irrational belief anyway, so is a rational belief irrational.

What you are stating is irrational. They are BINARY positions. That is, an atheist and a theist cannot believe each others belief...it's one or the other...to do so would contradict the definition of the terms (atheist or theist!!)

The believer is a belief. Remove the belief, and the believer falls away, and there is left, just the simple unfettered clarity of nothing being everything, one without a second. No need for re-search into the nature of what is already completely whole and in no need for further completion.

Meanwhile, our beliefs will continue to create the illusory continuity of the seeker of truth. Many authors appear as there are believers to believe them to be real...as a believer, we all love a good story....here's another one >

GOD MEN CON MEN: PURSUIT OF TRUTH

The blokes must love it when you walk into the local pub.

[Dontaskme]

The blokes must love it when you walk into the local pub.

They might even hate it.

I'm only interested in the philosophy of no philosophy.

Men are magificent creatures, if only they believed how magnificient they really are, as seen through the eye of a woman.

As a woman, I have no interest whether men love the presence of me, or not. Their natural beauty, and magnificence is enough for me.

[Iwannaplato]

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.
I'm not sure what the advantage is of unknowing, at least for others.

Y(our) Truth is an illusion.

Unknowing is a disadvantage to those who seek advantage. But, once 'the knower' falls away, there's simply just what's happening, and no human being who seeks to know how happening is happening, can make what is happening unhappen. And what is happening, is not happening to you or anything. It's simply happening for and to no one.

Existence precedes essence. The 'knower' is an idea, and an idea can never touch what existence actually is, because that will only be an illusory interpretation of this ever elusive unknowing.

This message is very advantagous to some, but to others, it's terrifying.

If you say you know..you do not.

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.

[Dontaskme]

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.

Yes, I know, that's apparently just what's happening, and there is nothing you or I can do about that. Probably better not to think about it too much, let it go, for it deserves it's freedom.

Bye the way Iwannaplato, the known is not known, without making it known, therefore the not known is the only known there is.

[Iwannaplato]

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.

Yes, I know, that's apparently just what's happening, and there is nothing you or I can do about that. Probably better not to think about it too much, let it go, for it deserves it's freedom.

Bye the way Iwannaplato, the known is not known, without making it known, therefore the not known is the only known there is.

I dunno, but often there is a lot of telling people what is the truth by people who are unknowing.
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Probably better not to think about it too much, let it go, for it deserves it's freedom.