What is a soul?

[Dubious]

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I don't believe there could be a more appropriate visual metaphor! The only thing missing are a couple of Rambos duking it out in the middle.

[Age]

BUT "others" MIGHT BE INTERESTED in SEEING what the ACTUAL Truth WAS, here.

Which, by the way, ALL can SEE for "themselves", anyway.

One just needs to READ the words you WROTE here.

I do not care about the others, I wasn't responding to the others, I was responding to your question, with the clarifying answer to that question, which I definitely gave.

If you do not believe that I gave you the clarifying answer to your question, then there is nothing I can do about that.

But you did NOT answer the actual question I posed and asked AT ALL.

As PROVED IRREFUTABLY True by your OWN words, which can be CLEARLY SEEN here.

Unless, OF COURSE, you can SHOW and thus PROVE otherwise.

[Age]

I went for a poetic slant.. probably befitting to the elusiveness, of that, which is the soul.

The soul may be what animates us, so being our energy field.. our dynamos within, being the creator of that life force.

It MAY be 'that way', but then we would just NEED TO CHANGE the meaning/definitions of other word/s.

Go for it.. I’m game.

..wondering where this is going.

LOL we have NOT YET even WORKED OUT what the meaning/definition is for the 'soul' word here, let alone moving onto other words now

[Age]

Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?

No, that's not correct.

THANK you, you have now FINALLY ANSWERED the ACTUAL QUESTION I POSED, and ASKED you.

No physical object has ever been seen. Physical objects are known, not seen. Objects known, cannot see, objects known are the seen, by the ONLY seeing there is which itself cannot be seen or looked upon.
There is no such thing as your own observation.

I've told you this, umpteen times already.

Besides this being Truly ILLOGICAL, it is also completely UNNECESSARY, as you have now already ANSWERED the ACTUAL QUESTION that I was seeking an ANSWER TO.

[attofishpi]

No. A sole is a fish.

Yes, and also the bottom of your foot.

Do you too have fish under your feet??
No wonder they smell so bad.

Sculptor, you said a soul is on the bottom of your shoe, which is incorrect.

But it is interesting that we walk on our soles all the time. Are we walking on fire? SOLe

Can we heal our soul? Can we heel our sole?

I know, you can catch them off of Dover.

Oh yes to make fish pies, see.
Because what the knows cannot smell the pie sees.

π - Pi Sees

Yes, I am a Pisces.

You just need to find the other SKATE, because you are on thin ice

[Dubious]

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that in relation to considering 'soul' one must consider something more to reality than typical atheist short-sighted belief. That to have enlightenment with regards to the soul and God/'God' this entity through scripture has insisted on us having some degree of faith prior to us ever being provided with the insight (enlightenment) re its existence.

Belief in a soul is not something preempted to an atheist, the difference being, he doesn't carry it across the boundaries of the living into some stupid, silly, shallow afterlife. An atheist, being as human as any god believer, is as much amenable to a peak experience whose power to modify becomes permanent from that point on. Suchlike transformation may or may not require faith to yield an awareness, an intense appreciation of something greater inflecting one's life. It all depends on how one's psyche, being thoroughly independent of one's will, responds to such extra-mundane events.

As well, atheism does not separate the mind from the mystical and, in fact, may be much more open to it in subtracting god from it. The mystical and its impressions on the psyche do not require some bankrupt abstraction called "god", especially the scriptural kind, as the default line without which there can be no such recognition.

Also, insight does not come exclusively through faith regardless of what scripture says but through experience which can hit hard without any prior beliefs necessary. Those kinds of experiences are purely personal not belonging to anyone except the recipient. As such, they don't mean anything to anyone else. One may be convinced that he now knows and carry it forward as fact with only himself as a witness to it in spite of remaining exclusively autobiographical in its effect.

[attofishpi]

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that in relation to considering 'soul' one must consider something more to reality than typical atheist short-sighted belief. That to have enlightenment with regards to the soul and God/'God' this entity through scripture has insisted on us having some degree of faith prior to us ever being provided with the insight (enlightenment) re its existence.

Belief in a soul is not something preempted to an atheist, the difference being, he doesn't carry it across the boundaries of the living into some stupid, silly, shallow afterlife.

Ah. The irony is that actually, (according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

What do you mean by "preempted"?

An atheist, being as human as any god believer, is as much amenable to a peak experience whose power to modify becomes permanent from that point on. Suchlike transformation may or may not require faith to yield an awareness, an intense appreciation of something greater inflecting one's life. It all depends on how one's psyche, being thoroughly independent of one's will, responds to such extra-mundane events.

What do you mean by 'peak experience'. Atheists never experience the true repertoire of experience, indeed the place I am now, heaven on Earth.

HEAVE_N (we work and strive to build it, through time)

As well, atheism does not separate the mind from the mystical and, in fact, may be much more open to it in subtracting god from it. The mystical and its impressions on the psyche do not require some bankrupt abstraction called "god", especially the scriptural kind, as the default line without which there can be no such recognition.

How many times have I told you, that you DO NOT need to be so foolish as (in my case) a Christian to subscribe to ALL the nonsense of the buy bull? This God wants us to QUEST_ion IT.

Also, insight does not come exclusively through faith regardless of what scripture says but through experience which can hit hard without any prior beliefs necessary. Those kinds of experiences are purely personal not belonging to anyone except the recipient. As such, they don't mean anything to anyone else. One may be convinced that he now knows and carry it forward as fact with only himself as a witness to it in spite of remaining exclusively autobiographical in its effect.

No. Experiences such as mine since 1997 are common to at least my sage, as he informed me last night by stating "I've been there"...stated when I was considering some of these experiences.

Remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality. Certainly not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise.

[Dubious]

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that in relation to considering 'soul' one must consider something more to reality than typical atheist short-sighted belief. That to have enlightenment with regards to the soul and God/'God' this entity through scripture has insisted on us having some degree of faith prior to us ever being provided with the insight (enlightenment) re its existence.

Belief in a soul is not something preempted to an atheist, the difference being, he doesn't carry it across the boundaries of the living into some stupid, silly, shallow afterlife.

Ah. The irony is that actually, (according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

What do you mean by "preempted"?

An atheist, being as human as any god believer, is as much amenable to a peak experience whose power to modify becomes permanent from that point on. Suchlike transformation may or may not require faith to yield an awareness, an intense appreciation of something greater inflecting one's life. It all depends on how one's psyche, being thoroughly independent of one's will, responds to such extra-mundane events.

What do you mean by 'peak experience'. Atheists never experience the true repertoire of experience, indeed the place I am now, heaven on Earth.

HEAVE_N (we work and strive to build it, through time)

As well, atheism does not separate the mind from the mystical and, in fact, may be much more open to it in subtracting god from it. The mystical and its impressions on the psyche do not require some bankrupt abstraction called "god", especially the scriptural kind, as the default line without which there can be no such recognition.

How many times have I told you, that you DO NOT need to be so foolish as (in my case) a Christian to subscribe to ALL the nonsense of the buy bull? This God wants us to QUEST_ion IT.

Also, insight does not come exclusively through faith regardless of what scripture says but through experience which can hit hard without any prior beliefs necessary. Those kinds of experiences are purely personal not belonging to anyone except the recipient. As such, they don't mean anything to anyone else. One may be convinced that he now knows and carry it forward as fact with only himself as a witness to it in spite of remaining exclusively autobiographical in its effect.

No. Experiences such as mine since 1997 are common to at least my sage, as he informed me last night by stating "I've been there"...stated when I was considering some of these experiences.

Remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality. Certainly not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise.

Get back to me when you make sense...or better still, don't get back to me at all. Unlike a real sage, if such still exist, you sound too much like Age...what do I mean by this, what do I mean by that! A better question! Why always the same fucking shit! The only word missing in that request is EXACTLY!

EXACTLY what do you mean when asking others what do they mean!

To say, "remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality", requires that you know what the truth of that reality is which is not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise on your part.

Your sage, as you call it, sounds evermore like a brain infection I'd rather not communicate with.

Put another way, who was I talking to? Attofishpi or his demented sage? Please don't tell me your I.D.'s are identical!

[attofishpi]

Belief in a soul is not something preempted to an atheist, the difference being, he doesn't carry it across the boundaries of the living into some stupid, silly, shallow afterlife.

Ah. The irony is that actually, (according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

What do you mean by "preempted"?

An atheist, being as human as any god believer, is as much amenable to a peak experience whose power to modify becomes permanent from that point on. Suchlike transformation may or may not require faith to yield an awareness, an intense appreciation of something greater inflecting one's life. It all depends on how one's psyche, being thoroughly independent of one's will, responds to such extra-mundane events.

What do you mean by 'peak experience'. Atheists never experience the true repertoire of experience, indeed the place I am now, heaven on Earth.

HEAVE_N (we work and strive to build it, through time)

As well, atheism does not separate the mind from the mystical and, in fact, may be much more open to it in subtracting god from it. The mystical and its impressions on the psyche do not require some bankrupt abstraction called "god", especially the scriptural kind, as the default line without which there can be no such recognition.

How many times have I told you, that you DO NOT need to be so foolish as (in my case) a Christian to subscribe to ALL the nonsense of the buy bull? This God wants us to QUEST_ion IT.

Also, insight does not come exclusively through faith regardless of what scripture says but through experience which can hit hard without any prior beliefs necessary. Those kinds of experiences are purely personal not belonging to anyone except the recipient. As such, they don't mean anything to anyone else. One may be convinced that he now knows and carry it forward as fact with only himself as a witness to it in spite of remaining exclusively autobiographical in its effect.

No. Experiences such as mine since 1997 are common to at least my sage, as he informed me last night by stating "I've been there"...stated when I was considering some of these experiences.

Remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality. Certainly not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise.

Get back to me when you make sense...or better still, don't get back to me at all. Unlike a real sage, if such still exist, you sound too much like Age...what do I mean by this, what do I mean by that! A better question! Why always the same fucking shit! The only word missing in that request is EXACTLY!

EXACTLY what do you mean when asking others what do they mean!

To say, "remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality", requires that you know what the truth of that reality is which is not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise on your part.

I appear to have hit a nerve.

When I state 'the actual truth to reality' I am simply stating that you will never know that there is an intelligence behind the real-time construct that we perceive as reality..by having no faith, no belief.

Your sage, as you call it, sounds evermore like a brain infection I'd rather not communicate with.

Put another way, who was I talking to? Attofishpi or his demented sage? Please don't tell me your I.D.'s are identical!

You really do have your knickers in a twist don't you.

Let me put things another way. Let's say I am correct, that there is a God that runs at the backbone to what we perceive as reality. Do you not think it WISE if such an entity exists to have some belief in it, since faith was insisted to know God, to comprehend reality and the perfection of the system we are in, heaven?

[Age]

Ah. The irony is that actually, (according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

What do you mean by "preempted"?




What do you mean by 'peak experience'. Atheists never experience the true repertoire of experience, indeed the place I am now, heaven on Earth.

HEAVE_N (we work and strive to build it, through time)




How many times have I told you, that you DO NOT need to be so foolish as (in my case) a Christian to subscribe to ALL the nonsense of the buy bull? This God wants us to QUEST_ion IT.




No. Experiences such as mine since 1997 are common to at least my sage, as he informed me last night by stating "I've been there"...stated when I was considering some of these experiences.

Remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality. Certainly not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise.

Get back to me when you make sense...or better still, don't get back to me at all. Unlike a real sage, if such still exist, you sound too much like Age...what do I mean by this, what do I mean by that! A better question! Why always the same fucking shit! The only word missing in that request is EXACTLY!

EXACTLY what do you mean when asking others what do they mean!

To say, "remaining atheist will always render you short of sight of the actual truth to reality", requires that you know what the truth of that reality is which is not a particulary philosophical stance, not particularly wise on your part.

I appear to have hit a nerve.

When I state 'the actual truth to reality' I am simply stating that you will never know that there is an intelligence behind the real-time construct that we perceive as reality..by having no faith, no belief.

one CERTAINLY does NOT need faith NOR belief to COME-TO-KNOW what the ACTUAL Truth IS here, EXACTLY.

Your sage, as you call it, sounds evermore like a brain infection I'd rather not communicate with.

Put another way, who was I talking to? Attofishpi or his demented sage? Please don't tell me your I.D.'s are identical!

You really do have your knickers in a twist don't you.

Let me put things another way. Let's say I am correct, that there is a God that runs at the backbone to what we perceive as reality.

If there is A God, then, by definition 'It' would, OBVIOUSLY, so-call ' run at the backbone to what is perceived as 'reality'.

After all, by definition, 'It' created ALL of what is perceived as 'reality'.

Do you not think it WISE if such an entity exists to have some belief in it, since faith was insisted to know God, to comprehend reality and the perfection of the system we are in, heaven?

Besides 'you', "attofishpi", who ELSE CLAIMS that 'faith was INSISTED to know God?

Also, one can KNOW God, absolutely, fully, or EXACTLY, and STILL NOT necessarily have to have BELIEF.

[Gary Childress]

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Not sure which one I am, which one are you?

[seeds]

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Ah yes, another day of Philosophy Now forum discussions:



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Not sure which one I am, which one are you?

Well, seeing how you asked (and just for funzies)...

I'm in the first chair starting from the left (hey, it's my list )

Next to me is Dubious (aka N. Rached)

You are the stout looking chap with glasses, 4 seats away from the bearded Sculptor (aka "rasputum")

To your right is "fish pie" (cursing at the group).

To your left is Harbal.

I could name more, but I might get shivved while distributing (and sampling) medications.
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[Harbal]

To your left is Harbal.
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I'm okay with that.

[Lacewing]

...(according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

When I state 'the actual truth to reality' I am simply stating that you will never know that there is an intelligence behind the real-time construct that we perceive as reality..by having no faith, no belief.

Faith and belief lead to all kinds of false and self-serving ideas... including gods and sages that manifest and demonstrate the fears, hatred, limitations, blindness, self-justification, and delusions of their creators.

One main difference between theists and atheists is that theists imagine they know what is behind/beyond our earthly world. Yet, truly, anyone might see signs of 'intelligence', connection, oneness, perfection, etc., all throughout the flow and expression of life. Awareness does not require faith or belief or stories.

[Age]

...(according to my sage) atheists continue to be reborn into stupid, silly, shallow afterlives (they progress to be raised by atheists).

When I state 'the actual truth to reality' I am simply stating that you will never know that there is an intelligence behind the real-time construct that we perceive as reality..by having no faith, no belief.

Faith and belief lead to all kinds of false and self-serving ideas... including gods and sages that manifest and demonstrate the fears, hatred, limitations, blindness, self-justification, and delusions of their creators.

One main difference between theists and atheists is that theists imagine they know what is behind/beyond our earthly world. Yet, truly, anyone might see signs of 'intelligence', connection, oneness, perfection, etc., all throughout the flow and expression of life. Awareness does not require faith or belief or stories.

Nothing requires stories, but at least Factual stories tell the ACTUAL Truth, OBVIOUSLY.