What is a soul?

[Dontaskme]

Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?

A physical tangible object is as real as the word 'real' is given meaning by the only knowing there is which is imageless consciousness.

BUT, to you, does a 'thing' HAVE TO BE a 'physical tangible object' to be real?

Or, in other words, can a 'thing', which is NOT a 'physical tangible object' be real?

'Meaning' is known conceptually in this conception, as the knower is inseparable from an object known.

There is NO ACTUAL 'separation' ANYWAY. Full stop.

Consciousness is the only knowing there is.

According to WHO or WHAT, EXACTLY?

According to 'Consciousness', Itself, OR according to 'you', the one here known as "dontaskme"?

Consciousness is not seen,

So what?

And, AGAIN, does this mean because 'Consciousness' can NOT be physically seen, then 'It' is NOT real?

it is only KNOWN and that which is KNOWN...KNOWS NOTHING.

So, to you, Consciousness KNOWS NOTHING, BUT is the ONLY 'knowing' there is.

Which, ONCE AGAIN, on first glance seems VERY, VERY CONTRADICTORY.

I've given you my clarifying answer to your question .....
...which was.... '' Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?''


If you are not happy with that clarifying answer, then there is nothing I or anyone can do about that, and that's about your lot.

[attofishpi]

Don't know if I'm reading you right, it seems somewhat circular. You seem to be saying that one must have faith in the soul's existence as a precondition for someone to believe in the existence of a higher power. Have I got that right?

If that's what you mean then sorry, I can't see the connection on any level.

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that in relation to considering 'soul' one must consider something more to reality than typical atheist short-sighted belief. That to have enlightenment with regards to the soul and God/'God' this entity through scripture has insisted on us having some degree of faith prior to us ever being provided with the insight (enlightenment) re its existence.

But God NEVER 'insists' ANY 'thing'.

That depends on the atheist or whether he even chooses to search for enlightenment...which can mean anything to anybody, ranging from belief to near certified facts. For me, enlightenment consists mostly of getting rid of old prejudices, of which history is replete...attempting to see without distortion; removing the blinders, allowing the light to advance into one's eyeballs and from there into one's brain.

Sure, but this thread is about the 'soul' so I am questioning you regarding demands of enlightenment pertaining to that...thus, if one truly wants some actual insight, enlightenment to be provided from God (re soul), then one needs to make a binary decision that is not atheism.

The words 'God' and 'soul' refer to TWO VERY DIFFERENT 'things'.

You don't have to accept 'old prejudices', 'distortions' etc..to consider a theist mindset...even as is my case as a Christian.

Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform Delta Hotel.

[Age]

What do you mean here, exactly, by the word,"real"?

NOT illusory NOR fictional.

You said, "you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL," but can any non-physical thing be anything other than illusory?

I do NOT KNOW.

Do you KNOW what the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth IS here, EXACTLY?

See I write what I do specifically because if 'things' like 'Mind', 'thought', 'belief', 'emotions' are physical or not I have absolutely NO proof for either way. I do, however, KNOW one of them exist, IRREFUTABLY.

It could even be argued that physical things are also illusory in that our perception of them is self constructed.

VERY True.

But then one could ask, WHO or WHAT does the 'our' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Is that 'thing', or 'things', even 'physical'?

Also, the 'thought' that there is an 'our' and NOT just an 'I' could also be illusory, correct?

[Age]

The soul.. the Innate self.. the spritely spirit, within.

What we are and what we are to become, so what we shall eventually be.

NOT EXACTLY True and Right, but probably the CLOSEST, SO FAR.

I went for a poetic slant.. probably befitting to the elusiveness, of that, which is the soul.

The soul may be what animates us, so being our energy field.. our dynamos within, being the creator of that life force.

It MAY be 'that way', but then we would just NEED TO CHANGE the meaning/definitions of other word/s.

[Age]

A physical tangible object is as real as the word 'real' is given meaning by the only knowing there is which is imageless consciousness.

BUT, to you, does a 'thing' HAVE TO BE a 'physical tangible object' to be real?

Or, in other words, can a 'thing', which is NOT a 'physical tangible object' be real?

'Meaning' is known conceptually in this conception, as the knower is inseparable from an object known.

There is NO ACTUAL 'separation' ANYWAY. Full stop.

Consciousness is the only knowing there is.

According to WHO or WHAT, EXACTLY?

According to 'Consciousness', Itself, OR according to 'you', the one here known as "dontaskme"?

Consciousness is not seen,

So what?

And, AGAIN, does this mean because 'Consciousness' can NOT be physically seen, then 'It' is NOT real?

it is only KNOWN and that which is KNOWN...KNOWS NOTHING.

So, to you, Consciousness KNOWS NOTHING, BUT is the ONLY 'knowing' there is.

Which, ONCE AGAIN, on first glance seems VERY, VERY CONTRADICTORY.

I've given you my clarifying answer to your question .....
...which was.... '' Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?''


If you are not happy with that clarifying answer, then there is nothing I or anyone can do about that, and that's about your lot.

But you have NOT answered the ACTUAL QUESTION, which I POSED, and ASKED you.

And, to PROVE this IRREFUTABLY True, we can just LOOK BACK and SEE there is NO ANSWER, to this QUESTION, ANYWHERE.

But, if you would STILL like to CLAIM and INSIST there IS an ANSWER, then WILL you TELL us what it WAS, and WHERE it IS?

[Age]

No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that in relation to considering 'soul' one must consider something more to reality than typical atheist short-sighted belief. That to have enlightenment with regards to the soul and God/'God' this entity through scripture has insisted on us having some degree of faith prior to us ever being provided with the insight (enlightenment) re its existence.

But God NEVER 'insists' ANY 'thing'.

Sure, but this thread is about the 'soul' so I am questioning you regarding demands of enlightenment pertaining to that...thus, if one truly wants some actual insight, enlightenment to be provided from God (re soul), then one needs to make a binary decision that is not atheism.

The words 'God' and 'soul' refer to TWO VERY DIFFERENT 'things'.

You don't have to accept 'old prejudices', 'distortions' etc..to consider a theist mindset...even as is my case as a Christian.

Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform Delta Hotel.

So, I POINT OUT a Fact, and all you can do is call me a name and TELL me TO DO some 'thing'.

[Dontaskme]

BUT, to you, does a 'thing' HAVE TO BE a 'physical tangible object' to be real?

Or, in other words, can a 'thing', which is NOT a 'physical tangible object' be real?




There is NO ACTUAL 'separation' ANYWAY. Full stop.


According to WHO or WHAT, EXACTLY?

According to 'Consciousness', Itself, OR according to 'you', the one here known as "dontaskme"?



So what?

And, AGAIN, does this mean because 'Consciousness' can NOT be physically seen, then 'It' is NOT real?


So, to you, Consciousness KNOWS NOTHING, BUT is the ONLY 'knowing' there is.

Which, ONCE AGAIN, on first glance seems VERY, VERY CONTRADICTORY.

I've given you my clarifying answer to your question .....
...which was.... '' Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?''


If you are not happy with that clarifying answer, then there is nothing I or anyone can do about that, and that's about your lot.

But you have NOT answered the ACTUAL QUESTION, which I POSED, and ASKED you.

And, to PROVE this IRREFUTABLY True, we can just LOOK BACK and SEE there is NO ANSWER, to this QUESTION, ANYWHERE.

But, if you would STILL like to CLAIM and INSIST there IS an ANSWER, then WILL you TELL us what it WAS, and WHERE it IS?

I'm sorry to hear you are unable to see the answer I definitely gave you.

[Age]

I've given you my clarifying answer to your question .....
...which was.... '' Also, you seem to be under the illusion or BELIEF that some 'thing' HAS TO BE a visibly seen physical object in order to be REAL, is this correct?''


If you are not happy with that clarifying answer, then there is nothing I or anyone can do about that, and that's about your lot.

But you have NOT answered the ACTUAL QUESTION, which I POSED, and ASKED you.

And, to PROVE this IRREFUTABLY True, we can just LOOK BACK and SEE there is NO ANSWER, to this QUESTION, ANYWHERE.

But, if you would STILL like to CLAIM and INSIST there IS an ANSWER, then WILL you TELL us what it WAS, and WHERE it IS?

I'm sorry to hear you are unable to see the answer I definitely gave you.

And you REPEATING MY QUESTION, but NOT YOUR, alleged and supposed, ANSWER, just provides FURTHER PROOF that you NEVER EVER DID, AT ALL.

[Dontaskme]

I'm sorry to hear you are unable to see the answer I definitely gave you.

And you REPEATING MY QUESTION, but NOT YOUR, alleged and supposed, ANSWER, just provides FURTHER PROOF that you NEVER EVER DID, AT ALL.

I gave you the clarifying answer to your question.

If you do not believe it, then there is nothing I can do about that.

[attofishpi]

But God NEVER 'insists' ANY 'thing'.



The words 'God' and 'soul' refer to TWO VERY DIFFERENT 'things'.

Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform Delta Hotel.

So, I POINT OUT a Fact, and all you can do is call me a name and TELL me TO DO some 'thing'.

But only because your posts consist of a steady stream of diarrhea.

Above you DICTATE to me that God NEVER insist on ANY thing:--- As if you have a clue about God!! That statement is in complete contradiction to my gnosis of God. U know Sierra Foxtrot Alpha!!!

[Age]

I'm sorry to hear you are unable to see the answer I definitely gave you.

And you REPEATING MY QUESTION, but NOT YOUR, alleged and supposed, ANSWER, just provides FURTHER PROOF that you NEVER EVER DID, AT ALL.

I gave you the clarifying answer to your question.

If you do not believe it, then there is nothing I can do about that.

LOL YOUR REFUSAL to just PROVE "yourself" True AND Right just FURTHER REINFORCES that you NEVER DID.

Also, I could, and WILL, ask, Has ANY one SEEN WHERE "dontaskme", SUPPOSEDLY, ANSWERED the ACTUAL QUESTION that I POSED, and ASKED "dontaskme"?

So, we can WAIT, and FIND OUT what is ACTUALLY True here.

[Age]

Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform Delta Hotel.

So, I POINT OUT a Fact, and all you can do is call me a name and TELL me TO DO some 'thing'.

But only because your posts consist of a steady stream of diarrhea.

Above you DICTATE to me that God NEVER insist on ANY thing:--- As if you have a clue about God!! That statement is in complete contradiction to my gnosis of God.

So, are you now CLAIMING and/or INSISTING that 'you' have a clue about God, and KNOW that God does INSIST 'things'?

U know Sierra Foxtrot Alpha!!!

[Harbal]

Do you KNOW what the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth IS here, EXACTLY?

No.

It could even be argued that physical things are also illusory in that our perception of them is self constructed.

VERY True.

But then one could ask, WHO or WHAT does the 'our' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Is that 'thing', or 'things', even 'physical'?

Also, the 'thought' that there is an 'our' and NOT just an 'I' could also be illusory, correct?

The only thing that I (the consciousness that is formulating this reply) feel able to suggest has irrefutable existence, is consciousness itself. Which, ironically, seems to be an immaterial thing.

[attofishpi]

So, I POINT OUT a Fact, and all you can do is call me a name and TELL me TO DO some 'thing'.

But only because your posts consist of a steady stream of diarrhea.

Above you DICTATE to me that God NEVER insist on ANY thing:--- As if you have a clue about God!! That statement is in complete contradiction to my gnosis of God.

So, are you now CLAIMING and/or INSISTING that 'you' have a clue about God, and KNOW that God does INSIST 'things'?

Wow!

Give yourself a gold star, you managed to work something out.

[Age]

Do you KNOW what the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth IS here, EXACTLY?

No.

It could even be argued that physical things are also illusory in that our perception of them is self constructed.

VERY True.

But then one could ask, WHO or WHAT does the 'our' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Is that 'thing', or 'things', even 'physical'?

Also, the 'thought' that there is an 'our' and NOT just an 'I' could also be illusory, correct?

The only thing that I (the consciousness that is formulating this reply) feel able to suggest has irrefutable existence, is consciousness itself. Which, ironically, seems to be an immaterial thing.

What 'you' wrote here was misquoted to 'me', (which I now fixed), but it is GREAT to SEE that you are beginning to SEE what 'I' have been ALLUDING to here. Except instead of saying or suggesting that 'Consciousness' seems to be an 'immaterial' thing, I SAY and CLAIM that 'Consciousness' is an INVISIBLE 'Thing', instead. That way I am NOT implying some 'thing', which might end up just being False, Wrong, or Incorrect.