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[Walker]

A hundred and thirty million Americans are functionally literate meaning they cannot read a medication bottle or read their child a bedtime story and what would you bet the bulk of this illiteracy isn't found throughout the bible belt?

Popeye, notions must correlate with facts to not be delusional. You won't find any folks more eloquent than in the South of the USA.

Blame the Left for the plight of education in the USA. The Left is in control of the government education programs. Education by government is part of fundamental change, and it's working.

Fundamental change in education, in the following ways: From educated, to ignorant. From knowledgeable, to indoctrinated. From how to think, to what to think. From the commonsense of the Right, to the hair-brained social engineering of the Left.

So sad how the policies of the Left are destroying the United States.

[Walker]

The Left also hates dissenting opinions,

Of course dissenting opinions are not part of the Left’s dogma, just as dissenting opinions are not part of the Right’s.

Individualism, you say, encourages individual ideas. But those individual ideas, most homogenously, must oppose Pro-Choice, Gun Safety, governmental programs, governmental rules and regulations and taxes, to name a few. And no loyal Rightist can oppose the death penalty without being cast out.

Do not engage in gaslighting about the acceptance of dissenting or diverse thoughts. Do not complain of homogeneity without looking in a mirror first.

You mistake statements of truth, and identifying the way things are, to be complaints. More Leftist projections.

Pro-choice = pro abortion = pro death.
Gun regulations = infringement of constitutional rights = disarming the public against government tyranny.
Rules, regulations, taxes = corruption of those powers by the Left = One Party Rule = Tyranny.
Media = Leftist propaganda


- The right is far more diverse and accepting of others, than the Left.
- Just look at Lincoln, for a start. Lincoln freed the slaves, against stiff opposition from the The Left that resulted in a tragic war of death and destruction ... all because the Left so fervently wanted to enslave human beings.
- With the Left's open-border policy, which the Left denies despite the facts, The Left is busily building a new Slave Class.

- The Left does the gas lighting. The Left is infamous for projecting what they are, onto others. This is why folks are so shocked to learn the truth of the KKK, and other truths. So shocked that Leftist minions have mastered the double-think required for self-deception. For lying to their very souls. They have been indoctrinated in the Leftist-controlled government schools into alternative versions of history ... biology ... and causation. This is how Leftist politicians such as Brandon and Pelosi can claim to be Catholic and pro-abortion.

- This Left projects its own gas lighting onto the Right, and punishes anyone who says differently in many ways. One way is blacklisting. Another is vicious, lying public gossip, smearing, and demonization of their opponents.

- Just look at what the Left did to Trump. Before he got into politics, everyone wanted to be his pal. Get their picture taken with him. Say they met him. Once his Commonsense Right Views became apparent, look what the Left did to him. Nothing but smears and lies.

- The Left is just so shameful. So disgusting. So morally filthy. So insane.

- All this is obvious. Just look at what the Left has done to the USA in a very short time. It's criminal.
- Look at what they've done to the cities they control.
- Look at the facts, not your delusions and gas lighting.

- And they are so busy trying to blame the Right for all their destructive nonsense.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The Left also hates dissenting opinions,

Of course dissenting opinions are not part of the Left’s dogma, just as dissenting opinions are not part of the Right’s.

Individualism, you say, encourages individual ideas. But those individual ideas, most homogenously, must oppose Pro-Choice, Gun Safety, governmental programs, governmental rules and regulations and taxes, to name a few. And no loyal Rightist can oppose the death penalty without being cast out.

Do not engage in gaslighting about the acceptance of dissenting or diverse thoughts. Do not complain of homogeneity without looking in a mirror first.

You mistake statements of truth, and identifying the way things are, to be complaints. More Leftist projections.

Pro-choice = pro abortion = pro death.
Gun regulations = infringement of constitutional rights = disarming the public against government tyranny.
Rules, regulations, taxes = corruption of those powers by the Left = One Party Rule = Tyranny.
Media = Leftist propaganda


- The right is far more diverse and accepting of others, than the Left.
- Just look at Lincoln, for a start. Lincoln freed the slaves, against stiff opposition from the The Left that resulted in a tragic war of death and destruction ... all because the Left so fervently wanted to enslave human beings.
- With the Left's open-border policy, which the Left denies despite the facts, The Left is busily building a new Slave Class.

- The Left does the gas lighting. The Left is infamous for projecting what they are, onto others. This is why folks are so shocked to learn the truth of the KKK, and other truths. So shocked that Leftist minions have mastered the double-think required for self-deception. For lying to their very souls. They have been indoctrinated in the Leftist-controlled government schools into alternative versions of history ... biology ... and causation. This is how Leftist politicians such as Brandon and Pelosi can claim to be Catholic and pro-abortion.

- This Left projects its own gas lighting onto the Right, and punishes anyone who says differently in many ways. One way is blacklisting. Another is vicious, lying public gossip, smearing, and demonization of their opponents.

- Just look at what the Left did to Trump. Before he got into politics, everyone wanted to be his pal. Get their picture taken with him. Say they met him. Once his Commonsense Right Views became apparent, look what the Left did to him. Nothing but smears and lies.

- The Left is just so shameful. So disgusting. So morally filthy. So insane.

- All this is obvious. Just look at what the Left has done to the USA in a very short time. It's criminal.

- And they are so busy trying to blame the Right for all their destructive nonsense.

You are like a bloody stuck record. Don't you have a KKK meeting to go to? Fuck off you boring little turd.

[Walker]

Poor Veggie. So clueless.

(That's not a complaint. Just an observation of how you humiliate yourself.)

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Poor Veggie. So clueless.

(That's not a complaint. Just an observation of how you humiliate yourself.)

'Humiliation' has to be something a person 'feels', like embarrassment, you illiterate twat. The only thing I see in your tedious, repetitive posts is ...'Left' ...'Left' (you like to capitalise it) and I don't even bother reading the rest

[Walker]

You just did it again.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Ever the coward. Are you saying that your post wasn't your usual bullshit blaming the non-existent entity you blanketly call 'the Left' for all the ills of the world? Where does 'humiliation' come into it?

[Harbal]

'Humiliation' has to be something a person 'feels', like embarrassment, you illiterate twat. The only thing I see in your tedious, repetitive posts is ...'Left' ...'Left' (you like to capitalise it) and I don't even bother reading the rest

Every forum has its own "The Left" obsessed version of Walker. It must be a law of the universe.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

'Humiliation' has to be something a person 'feels', like embarrassment, you illiterate twat. The only thing I see in your tedious, repetitive posts is ...'Left' ...'Left' (you like to capitalise it) and I don't even bother reading the rest

Every forum has its own "The Left" obsessed version of Walker. It must be a law of the universe.

There are a few on here. American religioturds.

[commonsense]

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If anyone were truly anti-abortion on the moral grounds that it is only just to be anti-death, then that person would be a hypocrite unless he were also anti-gun and anti-death penalty.

The left will never control the media as long as Fox News is freely accessible to any who are interested.

If what you abhor about the left were equally true, or more so, of the right—a tenet, I know, you explicitly refute—you would certainly abhor the same on the right, no?

Where you and I disagree is that I see the right as dogmatic, single-minded, close-minded, demanding that one do unto others as dictated by the right, demanding that one live life as a rightist lives life and so on. Clearly we disagree on this.

Someone from the left is more likely than not to say to the rightist: don’t be gay; don’t marry someone from your gender; don’t have an abortion. But let others live their lives as they wish.

The purpose of this post is not to convince you to leave the right and love the left. I am only underscoring where we could “agree to disagree”.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑
Classical-liberal conservatives take freedom of conscience as a primary right. (See Locke et al.) And as conscience differs among people, they don't refer to a singular paradigm of content as explicatory of all reality. They assume that people should be more or less left alone to make judgments for themselves, so long as they do not violate the basic necessities of civil order. So they don't have any particular ideological package they insist upon...theirs is a solution of political form, while the wokies are devoted to controlling the particular content of thought.

Iambiguous writes: Any "serious philosophers" in the house?

What IC wrote was sound. But he is speaking of a former paradigm or former tradition (of Liberal Conservatism).

[And obviously his own severe commitments are a blindspot for him, as for the larger Evangelical community (but which also has its lower and upper echelons).]

Hannity, Tucker, Ingram are mass entertainers, mass-influencers, mass propagandists even and can’t be seen as ‘genuine’ Liberal Conservatives.

Tucker Carlson is a weird hybrid of Left-concerns and Conservative posturing. See his piece on Paul Singer. Twenty years ago that would have appeared in The Atlantic.

The confusion of discourse would have to be addressed. Reversals, transvaluations. When people take leave of their reason and become “possessed” by sentiments strange things happen.

Wokism would have to be seen also as a mass phenomenon in a country undergoing a radical ideological make-over. My impression is that it is in the largest part sentimental and emotional but ill-reasoned and unreasonable.

[If I wasn’t so damned ensconced in my Dasein-situation I could explain this better of course. Waiting for the wind to blow me up and out.]

[Alexis Jacobi]

Right. The MAGA crowd could not possibly be more diverse in their opinions. I mean look at the Trump rallies. Bitter factional fights are breaking out in the audience all the time.

You are onto something: both the Woke crowd and the MAGA crowd can be compared as mass-phenomena. Each have their media conglomerates. Each faction is manipulated and can’t see those who ‘manage’ them.

[Alexis Jacobi]

If you disagree with a Leftist, you have your business burned, your children harassed, your reputation destroyed, your social media feeds cut, your character assassinated, your head punched...

If you disagree with a conservative, you get disagreed with.

This is true. But you are not getting to the core: the Left Woke Progressive faction sets its sight on transforming the nation and American identity. If you oppose that transformation you must be destroyed. Once this is understood the present battles make far more sense.

Even many so-called Conservatives are 100% intolerant of ideas and attitudes they see, with Progressives, as being wrong and evil.

[Alexis Jacobi]

There is no such thing as a decision with no consequences. Only Leftists seem to think there ought to be.

I find this statement interesting. Partly because of the relationship between *ideas* and *consequences* that Richard Weaver focused on in his work Ideas Have Consequences.

The terms we are compelled to use (left, progressive, liberal in the negative sense) are terribly inadequate when applied to the progressive-egalitarian trends that have come to dominate our thinking, our vision, our believing. To say that Leftists believe that there are no consequences to decisions (meaning, specific decisiveness in regard to social issues, established hierarchies, power relations, etc.) is simply absurd. What has to be understood is that they are influenced by different sets of idealism. When one examines such thinkers as Weaver -- an arch-conservative -- one discovers that these types tend to favor the older hierarchical systems that dominated our cultures but are now being supplanted and overturned. They define *all that* as a good and they put all their weight on the side of overturning established orders. They see the older systems as being repressive and therefore consequential insofar as they believe in liberating people from prior (arbitrary) restraints.

It is really a question of the Vision one has about what social life is supposed to be and what sort of life is ideal and best.

It is therefore unfair to say that "Leftists" believe that ideas do not have consequences. So we are left with the sticky and difficult task of defining better what 'wokism' refers to. It must be a sort of perversion of Left-idealism, no? But then 'perversion' must then become the topic of conversations since, certainly, the political Right in our own day and time is just as susceptible to perverse influences.

It seems to me at times that when we examine the bitter conflicts of the present we are seeing the results of the loss of the capacity to think and reason well by all or most parties. Then, everything turns into emotional battles by bickering people who show themselves incapable of understanding any other perspective that is not their own.

This explains the endless bickering that goes on in this forum BTW. The absolute lack of a will to find common ground. The reign of absolute disagreement.

But you are still not a Christian. So clearly, nobody's forcing you or compelling you. And mention of eternal damnation itself fails to move you. So for now, you're just fine...as free as a bird...nothing is compelling you to anything.

Note that you do an excellent job of driving people away from even considering Christian philosophy as worthy and emulatable. If you are such a Christian -- God help us all!

My sense about your sort of statement is that it also encapsulates a type of perversion. It is true beyond any doubt that genuine and original Christian dogma is grounded in absolutism and a thorough intolerance. As we discussed at length in the Christianity thread this intolerant absolutism arose within the Hebrew context. Once one understands the human, not the divine, origin of this absolutism, one sees more clearly that Christian absolutism has far more to do with social control (some of which is quite valid) more than it has to do with any sort of 'beyond'.

But this, in respect to Iambiguous, is tendentious and unfair: "So for now, you're just fine...as free as a bird...nothing is compelling you to anything". You use it, obviously, as just one more psychological tactic in an effort to influence him to your absolutist decisions, and this reveals how deeply you are enmeshed in all of that. But to say that Iambiguous is not concerned about 'consequences' would be unfair.

He is concerned about different aspects of what is consequential!

But every decision comes with consequences. And I guess we'll both see if that's true or not.

There it is again! You know what I have said, right? That this is really the sum total of your argumentation! This sums it up.

True it is: all decisions have consequences, so you got that right. So we had all better pay attention to the consequential. But to assert that those who do not accept your specific absolutist tenets will, as a result, end their existence in an eternal hell-realm is where you show yourself engaged, and deeply so, with a vicious psycho-metaphysical manipulation tool. And as I say your argument begins, and ends, with that.

[Sculptor]

If wokeism stops Carlson Tucker from having sexual feelings for children's sweets then We should make it illegal.
Tucker needs to get his rocks off, otherwise he might revert back to the rapist he would prefer him self to be.