Christianity

[Alexis Jacobi]

But here I must point out (again) that everyone who writes on this thread, and likely everyone participating in this forum, make it very plain that they do not subscribe to any ideas that are remotely absolutist. In fact -- and here I move into an interpretive mode -- they fight (literally) tooth & claw against any assertions about anything that are expressed as 'absolute truths'.

This here -- to be generous -- is an inaccuracy.

Aside from your personal sovereignty position (really a personal preference than a ‘truth’) what is your strongestly held absolute? (Not intended as an argument I am sincerely curious).

[Harbal]

I'm rather proud to be a fulminating objectivist (especially considering the source of that insult) and I won't have some guy livin' in a craphole tell me I'm not.

So you are suggesting that Alexis Jacobi is a jumped up, self important buffoon, with as much charm as a bucket of snot, henry?

[Harbal]

Aside from your personal sovereignty position (really a personal preference than a ‘truth’) what is your strongestly held absolute? (Not intended as an argument I am sincerely curious).

I'm not sure that I like your implication that my friend, henry, has got the mentality of a cave man, Alexis Jacobi. I demand that you take that back at once!

[henry quirk]

But here I must point out (again) that everyone who writes on this thread, and likely everyone participating in this forum, make it very plain that they do not subscribe to any ideas that are remotely absolutist. In fact -- and here I move into an interpretive mode -- they fight (literally) tooth & claw against any assertions about anything that are expressed as 'absolute truths'.

This here -- to be generous -- is an inaccuracy.

Aside from your personal sovereignty position (*really a personal preference than a ‘truth’) **what is your strongestly held absolute? (Not intended as an argument I am sincerely curious).

*It's a fact. I am mine. You are yours.

**That I am my own (my life, liberty, property are mine). That you are your own (your life, liberty, property are yours), That I am a free will. That you are a free will. That God is real. That morality is real.

[henry quirk]

I'm rather proud to be a fulminating objectivist (especially considering the source of that insult) and I won't have some guy livin' in a craphole tell me I'm not.

So you are suggesting that Alexis Jacobi is a jumped up, self important buffoon, with as much charm as a bucket of snot, henry?

No. All that is your drum to bang. All I'm sayin', in context, is he's wrong.

[Alexis Jacobi]

… and I won't have some guy livin' in a craphole tell me I'm not.

You are right in many ways … but wrong in others.

[Harbal]

he's wrong.

He's a stinking liar then, henry, that's what you are saying? I hear you, henry.

[Harbal]

You are right in many ways

I thought his point about the bucket of snot was spot on.

[henry quirk]

… and I won't have some guy livin' in a craphole tell me I'm not.

You are right in many ways … but wrong in others.

Point taken...

[henry quirk]

he's wrong.

He's a stinking liar then, henry, that's what you are saying? I hear you, henry.

Nope.

[Harbal]

Nope.

I'm glad to hear it, henry. Better to keep thoughts like that to yourself.

[henry quirk]

You are right in many ways

I thought his point about the bucket of snot was spot on.

Guy, you don't even know what my point (any of of my points) is (are), this much is clear.

As I say: I don't agree with AJ on some fundamentals or assessments, but vacuous man is right on target.

[Harbal]

As I say: I don't agree with AJ on some fundamentals or assessments, but vacuous man is right on target.

It's very big of you to admit it, henry, but he still shouldn't have said it to you.

[Lacewing]

Let us recall:

Plato drew a sharp distinction between knowledge, which is certain, and mere true opinion, which is not certain. Opinions derive from the shifting world of sensation; knowledge derives from the world of timeless Forms, or essences.

And you think this somehow supports your intoxicated delusion of certainty and timeless forms?

Note that Lacewing always tends to say that I, Alexis Jacobi, am cut from the same cloth as Immanuel Can. Why is this?

I've told you very clearly. It's because you are a pompous fool, drunk on your self-righteous delusion. You, like I.C., cannot drop it and come down to Earth with the rest of ALL that is divine. You have to pretend that you sit above us, on some imaginary platform. Meanwhile, your delusion continually grows in order to save your ego despite all to the contrary, and you'll do and say just about anything to serve that highest purpose. (That's the same kind of evil parasitic worm you accused I.C. of having.)

I believe in knowledge and 'solidities' which I describe as having a metaphysical existence.

Knowledge and 'solidities' vary from era to era, culture to culture, and person to person. Why do you imagine that you can possess such a thing to any certain degree beyond how it serves you?

I could go down the line (Gary, Dubious, Promethean, Lacewing and all others) and note that each of these is subsumed into a type of idea-fragmentation.

Your inability to understand a more freely functioning capability (and the value of it) in contrast to your rigid methodology is understandable, considering your highest purpose.

So there are two who (naturally) stand out for me: Lacewing and Harbal. Now these two are *birds of a feather*. They could mate and from them the Postmodern Master Race might bear itself.

How sweet.

It would be master of the capacity to know nothing certain, to have no guiding ideas, and to become like "leaves blown in the wind".

And yet, you're captivated by us. Perhaps our free-spirited and confidently feisty natures intrigue you. We're not sheep. We're not entrenched. We're self-sufficient, reasonably intelligent, and we're having fun. You try to distort this to fit into some bullshit model in your own head... and again, this is all to serve your ego. Fuck your ego, A.J. It stunts your ability to see anything beyond it.

There are many effective and wonderful ways to perceive and to live life. It doesn't need to be I.C.'s way or your way or any way in particular at all.

So, I am handed the task of interpretation.

Actually, you've created and bestowed it upon yourself.

Why must I be mercilessly blamed and so cruelly attacked for doing what I've been called to do?

Because it seems to be the only way to get your attention... and it's fun.

If one has a descriptive statement one has decided something. But for those comfortable on a shifting plane decisiveness is anathema (hello Lacewing).

I've told you before that I've been living a very successful life. I couldn't do that if I couldn't make decisions. You seem to think that we must 'lock down' what we 'know' and make our solid conclusions on that. You are no different than any other foolish men who've insisted on the same thing, only for life to evolve beyond that. It's all temporary and structured for the circumstances of the time. Structures provide stability for certain purposes for a time, but then men cling because they want to rule the structures. Then they claim to be uniquely chosen and/or qualified for these tasks, when actually the structures have become their idols and prisons.

I do not operate that way, and I've naturally reaped the rewards for not doing so. Awareness is more flexible than knowledge. Being able to discern how to handle each moment as it comes has been more beneficial to me than applying a 'solid model' from my library.

So, you see (but probably not), you really don't know what you're talking about in regard to me, and yet you just keep trying to define me with your limited dumbass notions because you've made it clear that your purpose is to rule a structure that supports your ego -- and that's why I don't like talking to you most of the time. Your self-serving project holds no interest for me.

There is only fracturation away from such certainty and any statements about certain knowledge.

What you shortsightedly call 'fracturation' -- is actually freedom for those who are not bound in self-service to 'certain knowledge'. A dismissal of your values is not an indication that there are no values. Your inability to see other values and capability is not an indication that they don't exist.

I think you actually suspect (like I.C.) that there is more than your 'precious' treasure that you're fully intoxicated with (like Gollum), but you cannot let go as you cannot imagine existing without/beyond it. Of course we can exist and move beyond a current state of awareness. What more becomes possible when humans get out of their own way? When we drop our intoxication and dependency on our own and other's creations, and freely utilize and play with these tools and toys instead? What might we be able to recognize (completely natural) that we couldn't see before?

Think about the controlling mentality of mankind that has pulled us away from our natural awareness and power... and in some respects, has even damned such a thing! Yet doesn't it make sense that our natural awareness and power is the closest position to 'truth' -- rather than the creations of men? How far does the process go of men 'branding' everything as their own... to serve themselves and for all to worship? What have we lost sight of in the process?

[henry quirk]

As I say: I don't agree with AJ on some fundamentals or assessments, but vacuous man is right on target.

It's very big of you to admit it, henry, but he still shouldn't have said it to you.

He didn't.