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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:45 pm While I wasn't before, I shall now offer some generalisations, based on my experience.

Most blind people I've met, and I've met a lot, are perfectly content with their lives.
I remember as a kid in school we would sometimes be sent to the auditorium for a school-wide presentation. I’ve always remembered one of them, although I forget the man’s name. I only remember the principles he embodied, for this fellow was fierce. He was a tough talker, talking to any of the wayward slackers to straighten up.

No eyes. Hooks for hands. He was a veteran and he worked as a government counselor for veterans. He wore a suit and tie. Well groomed, no doubt every day. He earned his bread every day with his mind. This gist of this fellow, very mentally tough.

He said that what angered him more than anything was when people made their assumptions about him, and wanted to help him. Patronizing made him furious, and he communicated that. Hey, he was a guy. His intense energy, and I would say his anger towards those who patronized him, made him extremely rational, focused, and well-spoken, and probably two steps ahead of everyone.

This fellow was an energymeister, and an integrator.
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:58 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:45 pm While I wasn't before, I shall now offer some generalisations, based on my experience.

Most blind people I've met, and I've met a lot, are perfectly content with their lives.
I remember as a kid in school we would sometimes be sent to the auditorium for a school-wide presentation. I’ve always remembered one of them, although I forget the man’s name. I only remember the principles he embodied, for this fellow was fierce. He was a tough talker, talking to any of the wayward slackers to straighten up.

No eyes. Hooks for hands. He was a veteran and he worked as a government counselor for veterans. He wore a suit and tie. Well groomed, no doubt every day. He earned his bread every day with his mind. This gist of this fellow, very mentally tough.

He said that what angered him more than anything was when people made their assumptions about him, and wanted to help him. Patronizing made him furious, and he communicated that. Hey, he was a guy. His intense energy, and I would say his anger towards those who patronized him, made him extremely rational, focused, and well-spoken, and probably two steps ahead of everyone.

This fellow was an energymeister, and an integrator.
What does that have to do with the price of fish? Fuck off you patronising little weasel.
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Speaking of fish ...

Keep it klean, don't be mean.

This version is great because of the backup singers.
The one on the right, not the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZreAq0beEfM
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:12 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:07 pmI'm not interested in finding out.
I've heard that before.
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm He doesn't appear the slightest bit interested in learning anything, either.
You're not alone. Many say the same, in their own way.
The difference is that he presumed to be able to speak for blind people, while doing no research.

I've made quite a study of Hinduism, and other religions.
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:58 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:45 pm While I wasn't before, I shall now offer some generalisations, based on my experience.

Most blind people I've met, and I've met a lot, are perfectly content with their lives.
I remember as a kid in school we would sometimes be sent to the auditorium for a school-wide presentation. I’ve always remembered one of them, although I forget the man’s name. I only remember the principles he embodied, for this fellow was fierce. He was a tough talker, talking to any of the wayward slackers to straighten up.

No eyes. Hooks for hands. He was a veteran and he worked as a government counselor for veterans. He wore a suit and tie. Well groomed, no doubt every day. He earned his bread every day with his mind. This gist of this fellow, very mentally tough.

He said that what angered him more than anything was when people made their assumptions about him, and wanted to help him. Patronizing made him furious, and he communicated that. Hey, he was a guy. His intense energy, and I would say his anger towards those who patronized him, made him extremely rational, focused, and well-spoken, and probably two steps ahead of everyone.

This fellow was an energymeister, and an integrator.
What does that have to do with me?
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 am
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:58 pm
I remember as a kid in school we would sometimes be sent to the auditorium for a school-wide presentation. I’ve always remembered one of them, although I forget the man’s name. I only remember the principles he embodied, for this fellow was fierce. He was a tough talker, talking to any of the wayward slackers to straighten up.

No eyes. Hooks for hands. He was a veteran and he worked as a government counselor for veterans. He wore a suit and tie. Well groomed, no doubt every day. He earned his bread every day with his mind. This gist of this fellow, very mentally tough.

He said that what angered him more than anything was when people made their assumptions about him, and wanted to help him. Patronizing made him furious, and he communicated that. Hey, he was a guy. His intense energy, and I would say his anger towards those who patronized him, made him extremely rational, focused, and well-spoken, and probably two steps ahead of everyone.

This fellow was an energymeister, and an integrator.
What does that have to do with me?
Walkers posts don't have anything to do with anything.
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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:07 pm You inserted the part about accusing.
I labeled it, yes. Generally when people accuse someone of something, they don't say J'accuse or I accuse. It happens, but rarely. As always you frame things poorly and conveniently. Inserted implies things that are not the case. Yes, I chose that verb to label his action. Obviously I chose that verb. I consider it an accurate verb, obviously. There no 'inserting'.
- Maia in fact was generalizing about what all blind people think about their blindness.
Read her first posts again. She makes it very personal and about herself and he just keeps on generalizing. I am accusing him of creating a falsehood via genalization. Yes.
- Dattaswami is also generalizing, however the difference is, he does not deny it.
- Maia did.
- He offers a basis for his generalizations.
- His basis is how he interprets Hinduism.
Right, lack of experience. Lack of research. Just deduction based on tradition.
- Maia’s basis for generalizing is her personal experience.
Nope. See above.
- The only accusing going on is in your own noggin, and you are projecting it onto dattaswami. Quite tiresome of you. You're not dealing with children.
bitching (LOL) - see the link - and grow up.

In some things, probably many, DS is like a child.

For example, sex....
In order for a woman to get pregnant, repeated sex is necessary. This is because the probability of conception is very low due to several gynecological factors. The lawfully-wedded couple engages in frequent sex in which the husband does most of the work to get his wife pregnant. The effort of the wife is minimal. Don’t you think that men could argue that this is an injustice for men that they have to take all the effort? They might say that God has rightly compensated for it by giving delivery pains to women! So, men take the effort in the sexual act, while women bear the pain of giving birth to the child. Sometimes, even after the repeated sexual activity of the husband, the wife does not get pregnant. In that case, the wife does not undergo any delivery pain even though the husband has undergone a lot of pain in terms of his effort of repeated sexual activity. In such a special case, don’t you think that the husband could argue that he has faced injustice?
This is a person presented as part of a very select few people including Jesus and the Buddha who are special direct incarnations of God. It's fine to be naive about some things. But when you're approach is to lecture and you lack all sorts of experience, here related to blind people, in the quote sex, etc., it shows a lack of self-awareness at a pathological level. You can see it repeatedly also in his inability to be logical or on point, also. If you choose a condescending interpersonal dynamic every time AND you don't know what you are talking about, it's going to get pointed out and not always nicely, especially given that he not writing about a specific crab species but here about blindness to a blind person, elsewhere about what it means if you suffer rape (for example) to people who have experienced rape or have loved ones who have. His likely cloistered life, indoctrinated since an early age, has made it hard for him to notice concrete life. His version of Hinduism also can do this. The yes-man way of relating to gurus cuts off important feedback and also frames everything as the misunderstanding of the other person.

and then there's...
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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:20 pm Speaking of fish ...

Keep it klean, don't be mean.
Meaness comes in many forms. Direct as insults and bullying. Indirect, via implication, generalizations that entail judgment, blaming while keeping a poker face, and much more.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:22 am
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:20 pm Speaking of fish ...

Keep it klean, don't be mean.
Meaness comes in many forms. Direct as insults and bullying. Indirect, via implication, generalizations that entail judgment, blaming while keeping a poker face, and much more.
I see you're not a big fan of answering unfairness with unfairness.
Dattaswami tells us that unfairness should be answered with fairness.

The question is, what is fair?
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Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 am What does that have to do with me?
You're blind, he's blind.
You like your life, he likes his life.
Blindness is not an obstacle to you.
Blindness is not an obstacle to him.
The thread title indicates that blindness is a topic here.

This all is quite quite obvious, thus why ask the question?
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Walker wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:30 am
Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 am What does that have to do with me?
You're blind, he's blind.
You like your life, he likes his life.
Blindness is not an obstacle to you.
Blindness is not an obstacle to him.
The thread title indicates that blindness is a topic here.

This all is quite quite obvious, thus why ask the question?
You seem a little irritated, Walker.
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Walker wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:27 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:22 am
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:20 pm Speaking of fish ...

Keep it klean, don't be mean.
Meaness comes in many forms. Direct as insults and bullying. Indirect, via implication, generalizations that entail judgment, blaming while keeping a poker face, and much more.
I see you're not a big fan of answering unfairness with unfairness.
Dattaswami tells us that unfairness should be answered with fairness.

The question is, what is fair?
That's a fine question in many contexts. Here though I was writing about meaness, responding to you and what you wrote, not DS's heuristic.
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Walker wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:30 am
Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 am What does that have to do with me?
You're blind, he's blind.
You like your life, he likes his life.
Blindness is not an obstacle to you.
Blindness is not an obstacle to him.
The thread title indicates that blindness is a topic here.

This all is quite quite obvious, thus why ask the question?
Tell it to DS, that it's obvious.. I wondered what you were on about also. DS generalized about blind people. He was wrong. Maia said something similar to what you seem to be saying in that post already...so, yeah, it raised questions. Why tell someone what she more or less already said.

Though it wasn't clear enough to be sure what you meant.

I can't be sure what she meant, but it sure seemed odd in the context of what she had communicated to DS.

So what was your point in telling her things that she already knew?
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Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:07 am
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:12 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:07 pmI'm not interested in finding out.
I've heard that before.
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm He doesn't appear the slightest bit interested in learning anything, either.
You're not alone. Many say the same, in their own way.
The difference is that he presumed to be able to speak for blind people, while doing no research.

I've made quite a study of Hinduism, and other religions.
I thought he was explaining Hinduism's view on blindness, rather than speaking for blind people.
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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

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Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:39 am
Walker wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:30 am
Maia wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:08 am What does that have to do with me?
You're blind, he's blind.
You like your life, he likes his life.
Blindness is not an obstacle to you.
Blindness is not an obstacle to him.
The thread title indicates that blindness is a topic here.

This all is quite quite obvious, thus why ask the question?
Tell it to DS, that it's obvious.. I wondered what you were on about also. DS generalized about blind people. He was wrong. Maia said something similar to what you seem to be saying in that post already...so, yeah, it raised questions. Why tell someone what she more or less already said.

Though it wasn't clear enough to be sure what you meant.

I can't be sure what she meant, but it sure seemed odd in the context of what she had communicated to DS.

So what was your point in telling her things that she already knew?
Good grief. What a lot of noise.
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